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Casper - Consensual or Rape? - Guys Only


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The last seen were casper wakes up in the middle of the night to find some booze and takes a seat on the couch besides jenny. Completely wasted, he tries to wake jenny up for sexual favours but she doesn't wake up. He then begins removing her jeans and then her underwear. He then sticks in it and starts thrusting her. In the act, jenny mutters "no" while casper calms her by saying "it's just me, casper", "it's ok, shh". 3-4min in the act, the screen turns black.

Here's what i think.

Jenny didn't want sex. Even if she knew casper, i don't think she'd agree for consensual sex. If you consider her side of the story, then SHE WAS RAPED!!

part 1: Casper, i think had feelings for jenny or maybe he cared for her well being. He knew telly's game and hence knew what had happened to jenny. This was clear when jenny arrives at steven's house in search for telly and finds casper in the bathtub. She asks him about telly whereabouts and casper tells her to forget about telly. When she insists, he tells her that he was fu@king a girl right now in the next door.

Hence, during the couch scene, he asks jenny to wake up for sex as if it'll be consensual. When he understands that she was high, he then forgets about waking her up and instead starts having sex with her while in her intoxicated state. To him, it was just plain simple sex. The word "Rape" must have never crossed in his mind.

I would like to ask the guys here. Put yourself in caspers position. What did you did according to you(ie, casper)? Do you consider differentiating "rape" and "getting sex"?

If you differentiate between "rape" and "getting sex" then you would be saying that HE DIDN'T RAPE HER.

If you consider both "getting sex" and "rape" the same thing then you would be saying HE RAPED HER.

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It was rape, pure and simple, but given Jenny probably won't remember it, there will be no legal consequences for Casper. I don't know how Casper managed, though, drunk as he was. When I'm drunk, keeping my eyes open is a challenge, much less sex, consenting or otherwise.

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Why is this even a question? It's not up for discussion or opinion. By definition, there is no consent, therefore it is RAPE. THen he got the AIDS.

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Completely agree. What a stupid question.

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He probably didn't get AIDS. Harder for a man to get aids from a woman in one encounter than most people realize.

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How could it be consensual? She was completely intoxicated to the extent that she didn't know what was happening, that's hardly consensual.

It was rape, that was kind of the whole point, that he was such a horny little SOB that he would do that sort of thing and think it was alright.

Of course it hints towards him getting aids from Jenny through the rape.

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It was Rape Clear and Simple but it also it one of the stupidest moves ive ever seen he was sooo stupid.

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He raped her, there was no consent and at times she even (although) quietly said "no" and "no, don't". I discussed this very same topic with a fellow male friend once and he felt Casper deserved his fate for doing such a terrible thing. Couldn't agree more.

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It was definitely rape. And karma is a b!tch because he contracted HIV from it in the end, sucks to be him.

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Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever read.

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Bro..."Getting sex" from someone who's passed out is rape. Look at it this way, if your sister was passed out like Jenny, and a guy friend pulled that, you still think it's not so bad....

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I guess I'll be the contrarian and say it wasn't rape.

It's clear that within this subculture sex was a common and open thing, and freely passed around, otherwise he wouldn't have kept saying, "It's Casper. It's Casper" like he didn't want her to know. He obviously DID want her to know that it was someone familiar and that she could trust and not a random person.

You may have moral objections to Casper as a person, but to say that this was "rape" is simply wrong. Think outside the box.

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Wow. Dude, if you can conceptualize that as anything BUT rape, you've got issues. Even if you have sex with your wife every night, and one night she says no, but you force it on her, it's rape. So how was this NOT rape?

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She didn't have to be wet to transmit AIDS. If she bled during it (likely if she wasn't wet) she could have infected him.

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ME: "Hey, man, it's me. It's me, your friend. I'm going to take your wallet and buy a few things with your credit card. You ok with that?"

YOU (PASSED OUT AND OBVIOUSLY UNABLE TO PROTEST): "Mumble"

ME: "Great! Thanks, man, thanks for letting me do what I want to you while you're passed out."

So did I steal dude's wallet or not?


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Hahahahahaha funniest example ever!!!

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What "outside the box" thinking are you talking about? It doesn't matter what you "think" on the matter.. Laws are quite clear on it.

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Even though I like the ^^previous post^^ I do have to say it was rape. The HIVster thing though, don't assume he got it just from fvking Jenny that one time. Studies have shown that it actually is pretty hard for guys to catch HIV but waaaayyyy easier for chicks to get it from guys. Sorry, life sucks sometimes. Haha!

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Yes it was rape, and of course Casper contracted HIV as a result - that was the whole point of the scene.

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I don't understand how you can even have a question about this. Clearly rape.

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what he said ^^

it's clearly rape. there's no two ways about it

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Stupid young fellow, it IS rape, plain and simple. It doesn't matter what the rape crisis centers say. If a person does not give consent to sex, then it's RAPE. Jennie was unconscious and could not give consent, so it's rape.

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Since he was so high and wasted.. then he woke up the next morning not having a clue of what the *beep* happened. It should be a message to teenage girls that if you go to a party or some house all wasted.. do not stay there and pass out..



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Or to teenage guys to keep it zipped up because you don't know who has what. I'm tired of it always being the girl's responsibility to stop sex.

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It should be a message to teenage girls that if you go to a party or some house all wasted.. do not stay there and pass out..


Or a message to teenaged boys... like um, I dunno... DON'T RAPE ANYONE.

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Wow, ejs, what a moron/loser you are to be misinterpreting what "what the rape crisis centers say." When they say, "rape is about power, not sex," they are not giving a *definition* of rape but rather providing an insight into a typical rapist's reasons or motivations for committing the act. The definition of rape is forcing a sexual act on a person against his or her will. Lack of consent is the same as "against one's will" so sex with an unconscious/incapacitated person is certainly rape. The "sex is about power" thing is not a definition of rape, but rather a sociological insight. It is not as simple as that, though. Research done on the subject has shown that rapists are sexually turned on by the control they exert over their victims--so it's not an either/or. Yes, it is done to humuliate and hurt a victim but it is a sexual perversion on the part of the perpetrator as well

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To me it is defiantly a gray area. Neither of them were in their right minds and therefore neither could consent. In the last shot in the film Casper is all like, WTF happened? Odds are he wouldn't remember this any more then Jenny would.

I am curious as to why you stated "guys only" in your topic header.

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yes, maybe neither of them could consent, but he initiated the action. The responsibility is on his shoulders.

Even if it's likely that had she initiated the action he would have gone along with it, that's not what happened.

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To the OP, I’m curious as to what exactly your definition of “Getting Sex” actually is?
For instance, would you consider a planned sexual encounter between you and your girlfriend to be in the same category as having sex with a passed out chick on a couch at a party?
Or ask yourself, IF your girlfriend were to pass out at a party and some guy had sex with her while she was out of it, Did She cheat on you as the Guy was just “Getting Sex” or Did he rape your girlfriend?
Consensual sex is involving two mutual parties who clearly are willing participants.
But when sex occurs between two, where one is unwilling or unable to imply their consent, it is Rape.

To Hank Markdukas, There is something scary about the matter-of-factly way you state to us what Rapists do and do not… Speculation aside, I ask you this: If someone was to grab an unsuspecting girl from a bus stop, drag her into an alleyway, forcibly remove her clothing, perform oral sex on her, then have intercourse with her, Did they NOT rape her because “You don't go down on a chick you rape”?

To Stupid Young Fellow, While I agree Power is a major factor is many rape cases (possibly even the majority), it would be simplistic to dismiss non-consensual sex where Power is NOT a factor as not being rape. I doubt you would ever find a Rape crisis center that considers non-consensual sex with a passed out person to be anything OTHER than rape.

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