What are those kids saying now?


To me what's so frustrating that everyone is missing the elephant in the living room, the now grown kids from that preschool. They're grown adults with kids of their own now. There were dozens of them. What are they saying? Are they saying they were all brainwashed? Or are some saying that they really were abused? While everyone is running around with a magnifying glass trying to solve that mystery they're overlooking the obvious source for answers, the now grown kids. Sure their names weren't given out, but I know investigators have ways of finding them anyway and surely a few must be willing to come forward. This is ridiculous, how come no one is asking them?

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They probably either don't want the attention, happy that they can live their lives free of people contacting them to talk about it, or perhaps at some point after they turned adult, they signed some agreement to never discuss the case. I don't know why they would agree to that if they really wanted to speak out, but maybe somebody convinced them they'd be sparing themselves and their families a lot of unwanted attention by doing so.

But it's mysterious that they haven't wanted to say something one way or the other.

"All necessary truth is its own evidence." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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I know of a couple of instances where the children (now adults) completely recanted what they had said and confirmed that they were pressured and manipulated into making the accusations.

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Here is one of the victims who issued a public apology in 2005 (check wiki page for citation):


In 2005, one of the children (as an adult) retracted the allegations of abuse.[16][34]
Never did anyone do anything to me, and I never saw them doing anything. I said a lot of things that didn't happen. I lied. ... Anytime I would give them an answer that they didn't like, they would ask again and encourage me to give them the answer they were looking for. ... I felt uncomfortable and a little ashamed that I was being dishonest. But at the same time, being the type of person I was, whatever my parents wanted me to do, I would do.[16]


I'm guessing this person is not the only one who feels this way. Keep in mind, it's not like one can just do a poll of all the kids. In cases like this the names of the alleged victims are usually not released to the public so it's one can't just call every one of the kids and get their opinions.

For that matter, if the guided questioning had in fact planted false memories on someone impressionable; they might still believe they were molested even if they had not been. Creating a false memory isn't hard in adults and it's even easier in children. There have been numerous instances of people being asked leading questions under hypnosis only to suddenly believe they were molested as a child even though evidence shows their stories to be impossible. Feel free to read up on FMS here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory_syndrome

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Fale Memory Syndrome isn't real and is not accepted by the DSM. The False Memory Syndrome Foundation was set up by Peter J Freyd, who did so after his own daughter accused him of molesting her, a claim she stands by to this day. Freyd claimed his daughter's therapist implanted false memories into her, something his daughter, herself a psychologist, denies adamantly.
Freyd is married to his stepsister and his own brother claimed that he believes that abuse occurred in the Freyd household.
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/pamela-freyd

It was after a Frontline television documentary screened in the US in 1995 that the Freyds' public profile as aggrieved parents provoked another rupture within the Freyd family, when William Freyd made public his own discomfort.
'Peter Freyd is my brother, Pamela Freyd is both my stepsister and sister-in-law,' he explained. Peter and Pamela had grown up together as step-siblings. 'There is no doubt in my mind that there was severe abuse in the home of Peter and Pam, while they were raising their daughters,' he wrote. He challenged Peter Freyd's claims that he had been misunderstood, that he merely had a 'ribald' sense of humour. 'Those of us who had to endure it, remember it as abusive at best and viciously sadistic at worst.' He added that, in his view, 'The False memory Syndrome Foundation is designed to deny a reality that Peter and Pam have spent most of their lives trying to escape.' He felt that there is no such thing as a false memory syndrome.' Criticising the media for its uncritical embrace of the Freyds' campaign, he cautioned:

That the False Memory Syndrome Foundation has been able to excite so much media attention has been a great surprise to those of us who would like to admire and respect the objectivity and motive of people in the media. Neither Peter's mother nor his daughters, nor I have wanted anything to do with Peter and Pam for periods of time ranging up to two decades. We do not understand why you would 'buy' into such an obviously flawed story. But buy it you did, based on the severely biased presentation of the memory issue that Peter and Pam created to deny their own difficult reality.


The founder of the British version of the foundation was also accused by his two daughters of rape and molestation. Several early board members of the US FMSF were accused and in some cases convicted child abusers.
Another member was Dr Ralph Underwager who along with his wife, gave an interview to a pro paedophile Dutch Magazine called Paidika The Journal of Paedophilia. Underwager claimed that Paedophilia was part of God's will.
RALPH UNDERWAGER: The theory of learned behavior permits individuals to take personal responsibility for their own behavior. We find it difficult when people try to place the responsibility for their behavior on something else. In the great American game, the blame is placed on bad parents who make bad kids. Explanations for homosexuality and paedophilia center on some kind of parental influence: mothers who are castrating, dominant, controlling, and hostile; fathers who are weak, and insipid. To say that my sexual responses at some level are learned is also to say that I am responsible for them.
Paedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to love.

PAIDIKA: Is choosing paedophilia for you a responsible choice for the individuals?

RALPH UNDERWAGER: Certainly it is responsible. What I have been struck by as I have come to know more about and understand people who choose paedophilia is that they let themselves be too much defined by other people. That is usually an essentially negative definition. Paedophiles spend a lot of time and energy defending their choice. I don’t think that a paedophile needs to do that. Paedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to love. I am also a theologian and as a theologian, I believe it is God’s will that there be closeness and intimacy, unity of the flesh, between people. A paedophile can say: “This closeness is possible for me within the choices that I’ve made.”
Paedophiles are too defensive
. They go around saying, “You people out there are saying that what I choose is bad, that it’s no good. You’re putting me in prison, you’re doing all these terrible things to me. I have to define my love as being in some way or other illicit.” What I think is that paedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness, they can say, “I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.” They have the right to make these statements for themselves as personal choices. Now whether or not they can persuade other people they are right is another matter (laughs).


False Memory syndrome is pseudoscience.
http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/dallam/6.html
http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/fms_pro.html

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This is completely false. False memories are a very well known phenomenon and you will not be able to find a single educated psychologist who doesn't believe it's a thing.

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I was talking about false memory syndrome. It's not a real syndrome and isn't in the DSM, due to it being pseudo science that doesn't even give any scientific criteria to ascertain the syndrome. It was coined by a private vested interest group, some of whom were accused child molesters and some of them convicted child rapists.

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No syndrome is real. Because all syndromes are just descriptions of things. They get added, changed and removed from DSM all the time. But that does not make them any less real or fake. But yeah, it might not be in the DSM. Still, it's a thing and a thing psychologists know exist.

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No. There are standard criteria for a recognised disorder. False Memory Syndrome doesn't pass said criteria. Reason being it's not a real syndrome or real recognised disorder. That's why it's not in the DSM.
I've shown you quotes from them, they're paedophilia advocates. It's why they falsely claim that their accusers memories are false as they evidently don't believe in responsibility for their actions.

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A lot of people are falsely accused of a lot of things. This is why we have the legal system. To make sure that the guilty get punished. When you are innocent you assualy walk free, as in this case.

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Only the Buckeys and the alleged victims know who's factually innocent. An acquittal doesn't equate to factual innocence.
7 out of 9 jurors felt that the kids had been abused, they simply felt that the prosecution couldn't prove who specifically abused whom.
Peggy Buckey not only lied in court but also admitted checking Ray Buckey to see if he was physically aroused after having the kids sit on his lap while wearing short shorts without underwear.

I don't know if they were guilty or not but the case wasn't as black and white as some make it out to be.
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