Nude Scene????


Hey, I heard that this movie is rated R for "A scene of nudity." Can anyone tell me what the deal is on that? I mean, I'm interested in seeing the film, but don't want to watch it if there's explicit nudity.

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Why is a nude scene such a horried thing?

Rest assured, the scene isn't just there for the sake of a nude scene. I can't reveal too much because it's pretty much the film's climax. However, I can tell you that the scene isn't all that explicit, it's shot beautifully and you end up caring more about the drama of the moment than the mere fact of nudity.

I believe in Batman Begins.

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It's not explicit. The nudity is for medical reasons only.

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It does seem a bit unneccisary, but no it is not explicit and is quite brief.

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You might have seen this film by now, so my reply might be moot. The nude scene is not sexual, and is medical, as the other poster mentioned. I usually avoid French/European films which seem (to me) to have gratuitous nudity/sex. This film is unique in that it doesn't. It's an excellent film.

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I agree with the earlier posters on the nude scene--very brief and medical in nature.

This is a great movie--but many, many French and Italian films are. In fact we definitely prefer European films to Hollywood movies. European films are all about the story, plot, filmaking. It seems the Hollywood releases are all about leftist US politics. Even entertaining US films include some gratuitious attack on America, American corporations or President Bush.

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I'm confused: european movies are supposed to be more prone to gratuitous nudity that Us ones ? Have you seen any US movie recently ?
If that's the reason you've been avoid euro-prod, you may want to reconsider, because I believe your missing out on a lot of gems for a wrong reason.

There is a scene of nudity which is not gratuitous, not shocking (saw it with my grandparents) and beautifully shot. And the scenes where the characters are merely speaking are more sensual than the nudity itself.

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It's true that US films can also have gratuitous nudity/sex. I personally don't like nudity in films. I think it detracts (in my humble opinion). SOme people don't mind it, and some people think it can be 'necessary' to the film. That's cool. I just disagree.

It's true that in the European context, many times the scenes are not 'gratuitous' for them. They have a different attitude (at least on the surface) about sexuality than in the U.S. But it's my own preference.

I tend to like British films more than other European productions, mostly due to cultural reasons. I'm sure other countries make excellent films as well. But Le Hussard Sur Le Toit is a notable exception. I adore this film.

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First off, I'm a big fan of this film.

I thought it quite amusing that nudity be such an issue. There seems to be a desire to make nudity acceptable in some instances and yet not in others. For the director to make nudity arousing, do we class this a gratuitous, or is it when there is nudity for no apparent reason, or both?

Why should there be no reason to be naked? Not only am I asking this question of society in general, but also within a films representation of a persons private life in which they spend time naked. Don't think to judge me as a nudist, although such judgements only represent ones fears/ignorance/or stilted opinions, I wear cloathes in public, however this doesn't negate the fact that there is nothing wrong with nudity. We cover ourselves up because (well in generall it's illegal not to) we have insecurities about our bodies, the weather makes no excuses for those in warmer climates.

Now when it comes to nudity on film, it seems that a tradition of insecurity (perhaps passed down via monotheisms guilt trip unto original sin, although a side point) makes us judge what we are seeing. We are born naked, we are born out of sexual desire(which may be argued against), is it degrading to the woman that she be naked or portrayed in a sexual way?

I think we shouldn't answer such questions straight away. What assumptions are we making? What are we holding to be true? If you have religious beleifs, then you may be within a system (the universe as it exists if a Religious God does) in which case you have a strict moral code which gives you the answers to these questions. Yet before we judge a situation I again ask you to question what it is you hold to be true. For what end? Well in this specific case to watch a film, but greater than that, not to feal ashamed with ones self, not to smother sexuality, to see nudity without being voyeuristic. And yet, If a person gets pleasure out of anothers sexuality, what do we say to this? Is this gratuitous?

Lets look at a few examples, a Tim Robbins film 'Jacobs ladder', has brief nudity, for no other reason than as a portrayal of ordinary life. Lynch's 'Mulholland Drive' has nudity of a sexual nature. Although a little more than nudity Roeg's love scene in 'Don't look now', it may serve some purpose in the representation of the couples relationship but I don't think it necessary to the plot of the film. And finally Kubrick's 'Eye's wide shut', and Polanski's 'Bitter Moon', film's in which nudity is almost essential to the plot. I would urge every body to see these films as they are great pieces of cinema, however, for that that would class all but Jacob's ladder as gratuitous how can I reply?

Pointless sexuality, nudity, rape, etc. are all a part of reality, should we not watch a film because there might be a little reality thrown in? Of course not. It's the whole point of Cinema, to experience a reality that is greater than that which we can hope to experience. I don't hope to expeirience rape, or a random woman taking me in to the toilets of a bar, but such things happen in the world and it is important to be reminded of them. A few years ago I refused to watch 'Kids' because, I knew that stuff like that went on, but I just didn't want to deal with it. I think this answer all questions, we need to look into ourselves as to why we don't want to look at, or experience certain things. What Sharon Stone does in 'Basic Instinct', might be sexual for some, distubing for others, we should vet films not on what the content is but on whose making them, and at what time in their career.

I don't know.

Anyway, sorry about the rant.

In my opinion the nude scene is for medical reasons on the outside, but the whole scene is charge with sexual tension, and besides its Binoche not Judi Dench.

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Just a little clarification, the concept of Original Sin doesn't exist at all in Islam (for sure), nor in Judaism (I believe). So you can't classify it as a 'monotheistic' concept. I think it's pretty exclusively Christian in origin (no pun intended).

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hmm, I was under the impression that the main three monotheistic religions believed in Adam and Eve, and that they got kicked out of Eden for their 'Original Sin,'(using their 'free will' to go against God, getting chucked out and wanting to wear cloathes), perhaps other religions don't make such a big deal out of it as Catholicism, such views have after all probably arisen out of literary conflict between philosophers and theologian/Philosophers. It was just a side point however.

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True that Judaism and Islam believe in Adam and Eve. But there are some key differences in other aspects. I was thinking of the Original Sin issue in terms of Eve's role and the blaming of women. If I'm not mistaken, in the Catholic tradition, Adam and Eve's disobedience to God is blamed pretty much on Eve, in that she encouraged Adam to sin, etc., and that it was her fault. This was extrapolated by many Christian thinkers, especially in the Middle Ages, to mean that women inherited this onus of evil and sin. Some believed that the pain of childbirth was God's punishment of women. THese sort of beliefs about women are not found in Islam (and I doubt in Judaism also). In fact, it's not even called 'Original Sin' for Muslims. But yes, God did cast them out of Eden due to their collective disobedience (He gave them the free will to choose), and then they became aware of their nakedness and wanted clothes.

You are right in that it is not given the significance in Islam that it is given in Catholicism (not sure about other denominations of Christianity). In fact, Islam believes that human nature is actually intrinsically good, where medieval Christian thinkers said the opposite. So even though the story of Adam and Eve is the same, the impact on the theology of the religions can vary. And yes, it was a side point in your post, but I just wanted to clarify. Islam is a historic, complex spiritual tradition, and I just try to share my knowledge about it. I took a Medieval Religions class in college (about the three monotheistic faiths). It was fascinating.

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"In my opinion the nude scene is for medical reasons on the outside, but the whole scene is charge with sexual tension"

Exactly. And lol duh. It's actually amusing how some dopes are insisting around the movie's page how it's for "medical reasons" only; they're "just friends" and suddenly he just happens to have to strip her naked and practically get on top of her drenching her with wine? It'd be very uncomfortable to me if they were NOT in love. In fact, it'd be a lot more gratitious than two lovers having sex.

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Yes, there is a non-sexual nude scene.
The only problem I have with it, is that I think it was a body -double of Mme. Binoche.

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I know I'm a little late on this one, but I reckon Apology17c has it right on the subject of nudity in film. Gratuitous violence is more of a problem in films for myself. I don't go to some films for all sorts of reasons. When you remember Rock Hudson and Doris Day being filmed as a married couple in seperate beds, you see how crazy social mores are when portrayed in film! Just to make you smile (You can do that, can't you?), look at this

http://www.worldnakedbikerideburlington.com/

And no, it is NOT illegal for people to ride naked through the streets of Burlington, Vermont - a little crazy maybe, but not illegal!
regards.

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Korean release of this film on DVD is the cut version that does not show the nude scene.

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personally i like the nude scene, but its done in a tasteful manner. Its not baywatch or geared towards raw sexuality. Its actually a dramatic scene where, most of the people who've seen it are shocked, not appauled. It guess its what you make of it, but in my opinion, its not distasteful.

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This film has scenes of violence, of horrible deaths through cholera and of eyes being pecked out by ravenous crows. But you needn't worry because naked human flesh is exposed only briefly. Put your mind at rest.

We live in a wonderful world: stabbings, bludgeonings, strangulation, bombing, poisoning, in fact any kind of violence and nobody turns a hair. In the same moment, European filmmakers are castigated and villified because they have no hang-ups about showing a pair of tits.

You have to wonder how it is that a film can graphically depict murder - say in classics like Casablanca - and get a "universal" certificate, but if a woman takes off her bra it's XXX rated and no-one under 21 allowed in.

Think about it. Just for a moment.




We'll probably be found dead in here next spring

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You know, I personally love how the nudity-purists here are so Puritanically judgemental against the OP. Hmm. Maybe it's NICE that it's not just another guy BEGGING for another nude scene. Think about it for a moment.

Now, about the scene itself: it's of the horseman dude trying to save his lover, Juliet Binoche, right? They're in love by then? And there are no naked corpses, are there? That, I couldn't take; sounds like they'll be gross enough.

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Yes, they are in love,unaknowledged because Madame de Theus is married and Angelo is an honorable man. This is an incredibly romantic film, all the more so, because there is love and sexual tension,but restrained, Madame de Theus is returned unsullied by adultery to her dashing but much older husband whom she also loves. And there is a bit of hope for the young lovers at the end.

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Excellent, thank you. Well maybe not "excellent", since she's married, but what a full plotline and with no smut!

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