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America's Great Holocausts!


Native American Genocide:1700's-1970's. uncountable dead.

Dresden Bombings:1945. 400,000 dead.

Invasion of Panama:1989. 300 dead.

Iraq Baghdad bombing:2002. 500,000 dead.

Hiroshima A Bomb:1945. 200,000 uncertain amount of dead, probably more.

Nagasaki:1945. 100,000 dead. uncertain amount of dead, probably more.

Fire bombings of Japan:1945. 000,0000 dead. unfully estimated count.


Vitetnam: 2,0000,0000.


Cause of deaths:
Harry S Truman.
Brainwashing.
Lack of humanity.
Patriotism.
Racisim.
Lies.
Oil.
Money.
Nuclear Weapons.
Franklin D Roosevelt.
Lack of love.
Bush.
George Washington.
Greed.






Don't Mess With Germany

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Nazi genocide 1930's-1940's

Estimated 9 to 11 million dead (some estimates as high as 26 million) complete with wholesale "Death Camps"

Causes of Death:
Adolph Hitler (and company)
complacent Germans
colaborating French
et al

bjorn_109 said:
Don't Mess With Germany


Bet you were wishing someone would have said that to Rosevelt, Churchill, Eisenhour, Bradley, Patton, Montgomery, the Russians et al.







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"Probably". The word is "Probably"! Enough of that "prolly" crap.

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That signature was a bad one! I know...by the way (some estimates as high as 26 million)...what bull shi#.

Vive Deutchsland

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"That signature was a bad one! I know...by the way (some estimates as high as 26 million)...what bull shi#."

Vive Deutchsland


perhaps you are unaware that the Germans weren't just exterminating Jews, they were killing many, many others.....

Germany is a proud, wonderful nation with a rich, storied past, but we all would like to forget the Germany of WWI and WWII......

and, by the way, my great-grandfather was full-blooded, straight off the boat German who married a full-blooded Cherrokee woman......man, did my grandfather have a temper......lol

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Vitetnam: 2,0000,0000.

I think your numbers are a bit off here ace.

Besides, what's your point? Yes Americans have killed, but we are no better or worse than any other people out there. Perhaps you should learn your history before pointing out the flaws of others... Send me an email and I can give you some suggestions.

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I'd love to see anybody point out ANY country that doesn't have a ton of bloody skeletons in their closets?

Do you think human beings just peacefully give up their land so others can move in and take over? Not likely.

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I was just watching the history channel the other day adn they had some marathon running about ww2 and pacific operations with the japanese. So if we were losing so many men just to take these small islands(Okinawa, iwo jima,tarawa, pelilou) NEAR japan I wonder how many would have eventually died if we would have had to actually invade the main islands?

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Well, you know when a group of fanatics get together and call themselves the Axis powers with the intent on conquering the world, some countries are going to to stand up and say, "Not so fast."

I have absolutely no regrets about how the United States ended the war with Japan. Their military was comprised of a sick and brutal group of animals. They had a spineless emperor who didn't know how to control his military. It took two atom bombs for him to finally man-up and say "enough!"

As for Germany, you guys keep your noses clean and don't try blitzkrieging across the world anymore and you'll be left alone to enjoy your beer and sauerkraut. If it wasn't for Germany, the world wouldn't be in the mess it is today. Thanks, guys! You %#$@ed up the entire world, and reduced your own backyard to ruble. Jerks.

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Ameirca is not perfect. Quick! Someone stop the presses so we can get this news flash out.

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A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence. - David Hume

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"Dresden Bombings:1945. 400,000 dead."
This is hilarious. I have never heard of an estimate so high, initially it was marked at 80,000. Then raised to 140,000. No where near 400k. Go back to school.

"Iraq Baghdad bombing:2002. 500,000 dead. "
Your clearly guessing. There has only been one complete assessment (non-governmental) of the death suffered in Iraq. this was made in 2006. and put the figure between 140-280,000. I think you are referring to the UN sanctions which killed 500,000 Iraqi children due to lack of medical care. Unfortunately Europe was complacent once again in yet another another holocaust.

"Nagasaki:1945. 100,000 dead. uncertain amount of dead, probably more. "
First you state a figure, the say it's uncertain, then it's probably. Well do I really need to point this out.

"Vitetnam: 2,0000,0000."
Not only did you spell Vietnam wrong but you quoted 20m instead of 2m.

I'm sorry, but as a German you really can't complain about how the US acts. Why? because despite these conflicts, no single nation in history has killed so many people. 11m in the death camps, 20m in occupied Soviet Union. Need I say more.

Furthermore, whats your point? Yes the US has killed hundreds of thousands of people. So has Europe, so has Russia, so has China, and so on. When has it ever been any different?

P.S. Also, why should I care about Japanese or German Casualties anyway?

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He's right. We're at war, racking up German and Japanese casualties is the way you win.

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No, making peace it the way you win...

Seemed to work out fine for Neville Chamberlain LOL

Your forgetting that the Nazi's and Japanese both started these wars and that unfortunately, force is usually the only way to deal with people that subscribe to such wacked out ideologies.

For those other people down playing the horrors committed by the Axis powers,if you would have preferred to live in a post WW2 world run by either the Nazi or Japanese, then you are either crazy or mis-guided. In war their is only one objective, and that is to win it with as few causalities on your side.

Gotta love people that see history through revisionist eyes.

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Other than being mostly factually wrong, the OP is a US-hater, but what's new? Most Europeans and Japanese would either be dead (or never existed because their fathers and mothers had been killed) or living as robots to their warlord or Nazi/Fascist masters. Or most likely as cannon fodder.

Yes, America has dark pages in its history. Its own treatment of the native population, especially 1850-1890 are totally unexcusable. The same may apply to Nam and Iraq, that's a matter of viewpoint.

The same can't be said for WW-2. Had the League of Nations showed a backbone in 1931, they would have helped the Chinese and wiped the Japanese warmongers out right then and there; the same goes with Hitler's invasion of the Rhineland, but the powers didn't want war; only Hitler and Mussolini did. (I'm not forgetting the League's failure to intervene in Ethiopia either, but Italy was a bad joke as a warring power; Germany and Japan weren't.)

Germany invaded Poland after occupying the remainder of Czechoslovakia, both causus belli. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, then proceeded to conquer and occupy much of Asia and the Pacific islands. Both countries' occupational policies were brutal. Both had to stopped if their was to be any possibility of peace in the world.

Germany of course finally surrendered in May 1945. After 100,000 Allied casualties in the course of fighting for Iwo Jima and Okinawa, the mainland was all that remained. Already most of the major Japanese cities were torched and their casualties were in the millions. They were asked, almost begged to surrender to avoid further (especially civilian) bloodshed. They refused.

In June 1945 the A-bomb was successfully tested. There was now an alternative to invasion which was estimated to cause 1 million Allied and 5-10 million Japanese casualties. A blockade might have taken another 2-3 years and wasn't an accepted alternative. Truman opted to use the A-bomb after further attempts to obtain a surrender failed.

It was a horrible ending to a horrible war. The tragedy is that the warlords retained enough power to prolong this war to the point that it became an either/or situation. In retrospect, and IMO, the Nagasaki bomb was probably not necessary and might have been aimed at the Soviets as much as at the Japanese.

One positive result. Another bomb hasn't been used against human beings since August 1945. Let's pray that it never happens again and we can all live to continue this debate.

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'It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians [i.e. Soviet citizens]; the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers — and, in the case of the Japanese, as [forced] prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; [by comparison] the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%.'


http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n22/john04_.html


This is why i thank the Americans fro dropping the bomb, it saved more lives than it killed. Can you imagine invading Japan?, millions killed taking it, and millions more lost trying to defend it. If you remember Okinawa, the Japanese kille dthemselves rather than surrendr to the Allies because they were brainwashed into believing they would be raped and put into slavery by the US.
And when allies take Japan, USSR would defiantly want their peice of the action and take some of Japan for a communist state, if you think Commusnisim would never happen in JApan, their were supporters lots of them until MAcAurthur fixed em up.

Iam not saing the allies didn't have war crimes, they did...but the bombings of Hiroshima nd Nagasaki weren't two of them.


"Historian Mitsuyoshi Himeta reports that a "Three Alls Policy" (Sankō Sakusen) was implemented in China from 1942 to 1945 and was in itself responsible for the deaths of "more than 2.7 million" Chinese civilians. This scorched earth strategy, sanctioned by Hirohito himself, directed Japanese forces to "Kill All, Burn All, and Loot All."

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Hummm, so you're German huh? Guess it was inconvenient for you to mention the German Holocaust, The Blitz, the Blitzkrieg over all of Europe, the Nuremberg laws, and the fact that your then allies the Japanese had already started the war. Yes, the US has committed atrocities, but what nation hasn't?
Lack of Love? Was it Lack of love that had the US and the British rebuilding Europe and Japan?
You're just a person who loves to hate entire nations of people yourself.
And as far as Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as sad as it was to drop them I would remind you that we had just finished the Battle of Okinawa, the most costly battle of the war, where hundreds of thousands of Americans were killed, and it was said a conventional invasion would have killed millions of Americans and Japanese. Considering both bombs only killed around 300,000 I think it was the better bet.

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Indeed, some Germans stayed in Canada affter the war or came back, they where treated pretted damn good in canada from what i've read...

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