This is a great movie and it's by men, for men, about men.
Unfortunately mainstream commonly considers men movies stuff made for idiots and/or teenagers, like any Micheal Bay, Marvel or any ramndom crap with lots of explosions, gore, violence and little romance or sentiments.
See Heat to get the difference.
Unfortunately, not often movies like this get made.
I can think of Master and Commander as similar, not many others.
I've seen some of these man on man movies you speak of, with all male casts. My friends keep recommending them. They're horrible! They've made thousands and thousands of them, and have not made one good one. Sorry, it's not for me.
I'd agree about Heat, it is a real "men" film, and yet it also takes the time to spend quite a bit of its runtime dealing with the women in these mens lives, and the impact their "work" has on the family unit. Now that's how you make a "men" film with broader appeal.
Yes, a men movie can be about women too, it just deals with them from a male perspective.
The romances in this film for instance are all quite dry, realistic and no nonsense and not dreamy.
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Its a bit hard to know what you're getting at exactly.
Does "The Town" qualify ? I know we're not talking exclusively Heist films here , but that sprung to mind as a man film with a little depth to it.
Mark, I mean movies like this one, made for grownup men and not youngsters, where a specific topic or story is covered in a grownup fashion (here nobody is "cool" or "smartass" in an over the top or cartoonish way - for instance, Axel Foley or McLane or Robocop or Blondie from TGTBATU are undeniably cool, but they are not realistic and they are treated in a way that would make sense to teens, not men, while Hannah and McCauley appeal to grownups with their characters and stories).
Does that make sense?
If you think that the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is meant for teens, then you're an idiot. If you're saying that the character of Blondie might appeal to teens more than adults, that's something else.
Back to your original question, there are many "men" movies for grownups, as you so eloquently put it, that the woke generation, due its natural stupidity, mistakes and classifies as misogynist, film-bro chauvinism displaying toxic masculinity.
Most of the films by Kubrick, Scorsese, John Ford, Kurosawa, Coen Brothers, Coppola, Jean-Pierre Melville, Boorman, Michael Mann, Herzog, Sergio Leone, Peckinpah, Alan Parker, John Huston, Gilroy, George Roy Hill, etc. would fall in this category though for different reasons.
Yeah, right....most of this stuff is sophomoric.
I love all of them, but they DO NOT make movies for men. Their movies are for everybody, mostly teens.
Coen? No country maybe, even that one is not very manly as a whole. Kubrick is a total teen filmmaker, again I love him but don't tell me his movies are made for men. Herzog is close but still, too philosophical and symbolic to qualify.
Boorman, I guess you are talkin of men under the influence...Leone is for kids, Peckinpah not far off from Leone, Roy Hill even more so.... I guess I'm not making my point clear, I understand it's subtle and I'm not very eloquent, but this list totally doesn not qualify as men movies list.
BTW, I appreciate the effort and the great list of filmmakers you wrote, I love pretty much all of them and their movies, but it's not what I meant. Thanks anyway bro!
I guess it's a matter of opinion, that's why I said "for different reasons". For example, Apocalypse Now is a man's film in my opinion.
Just one question for you though -- how is Kubrick a teen filmmaker? Yes, teens love A Clockwork Orange and Space Odyssey, but they're not teen movies. ACO is a serious film and more sophisticated than anything Heat offers. Just because ACO is stylized and dystopian, doesn't mean it's a teen movie. Don't get me wrong I love Heat, but at the end of the day it's a simple heist film, and a stylized one too, with plenty of (maybe a little too much) melodrama.
Are you looking for genre flicks with certain a dose of "realism" -- something like Michael Clayton, Mississippi Burning, or Mean Streets?
Yes! Mississippi Burning does qualify, great pick!
Micheal Clayton probably not. Mean Street is quite juvinile, like goodfellas and most Scorsese. Kubrick also is. Why you ask?
His perspective and his movies are as curious, amazed, excited and entertained by their own brilliance as young men are. No real man would share such a flamboyant and still undergoing quest: he, the real man, is done searching, and is just dealing with reality and his place in it, and he knows what that place is and he accepts it.
I really enjoyed Master and Commander though. They weren't criminals, I hate movies about criminals, and they were doing something that would be very scary, floating around in a big house looking for stuff. Crazy.
1. Guys Wide Open
2. Joe Squirt
3. The Whole 9 Inches
4. Pack To The Future
5. Lean, Mean, and full of Cream.
6. White Men can't Hump
7. Fister Act
8. Boy Soldiers
9. School of Cock
10. Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Balls
She totally qualifies as a grat main character for a men movie, she's awesome and straight and real.
The movie is not: too many silly parts, too much forced stupidity and quirky moments (see the bad guys, and the victim and her family, the suspects and the circumstances etc) to take it seriously.
I love Fargo btw (the movie, not the series) but I don't think it's a movie made for men.
It's for everyone who's into a "different" kind of crime movie (back then it was new and fresh, now it's been copied so many times it's difficult to believe how original it is).