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Is this considered a reboot?


Or is it part of the same continuity as the first 16 Bond films?

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It's a continuity of the first 16 Bond films. The pre title sequence takes place 9 years earlier in 1986: a year before the Bond film The Living Daylights. So basically Bond's mission with 006 happened before The Living Daylights and License to Kill.

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Casino Royale was the reboot.

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The real Casino Royale, not the Woody Allen travesty.

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I kinda like the '60s Casino Royale. But, then I was "warned" going into it that it would be a bit of a hodge-podge due to off-camera chaos. Going into it expecting chaos, I found it delightful, and the plotline about the agents being too horny and easily killed by honey trap assassins is a hilarious send-up of 007, as is the solution (call in the original, very gentlemanly, Bond to train them how to be better behaved young men!)

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I don't see it that way. Nine years ago from Goldeneye would be the year the before TLD, but that's if you're counting the years from OUR perspective. Bond's timeline isn't moving at the same pace as ours though, as evidenced by his lack of aging. For all we know "nine years ago" for Bond could be more like thirty years ago for us, which would put Goldeneye's prologue somewhere back in the Connery era.

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It is that way. GoldenEye is set in the year its released, so are the other Bond films. The pre title sequence can't be 30 years ago. For example when Bond visits Tracy's grave in For Your Eyes Only her grave says 1969 (The year OHMSS was made)

So basically the GoldenEye pre title sequence is set before The Living Daylights in 1986. Also remember Bond was on evaluated by that woman in the beginning of GoldenEye because he was rogue in License to Kill in 1989 (six years prior)

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Floating timeline: each movie readjusts the setting to the present regardless of when it takes place in relation to previous movies. That way you keep Bond young yet don't have to make the movies period pieces. Fleming did the same thing in his books, only it wasn't as noticeable because those only lasted a little over a decade. If you take every reference to the year literally and the series is taking place over 40 years Bond should be in his mid sixties in Goldeneye, yet he's clearly not. So if it's all one continuity, either it's a floating timeline or Bond is an ageless immortal. I don't know about you but I prefer the former.

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I see what you mean but think about it. The Bond films exist in their own world/timeline. We just have to accept that the James Bond character doesn't age and we shouldn't take it seriously. For example the way the Simpsons have not aged over the years; its the same thing for James Bond in the films from 1962- 2002.

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That's exactly what I'm talking about though. If the movies are in their own world/timeline there's no reason to equate those 40 real life years with however many years passed for Bond. Basically the producers were saying "We know Dr. No was in the early '60s, but for the sake of keeping Bond relatively young let's just pretend it happened about 20 years more recently." Comic books do this kind of thing all the time. George Romero also did it for his zombie movies.

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Supposedly so, but it's just ridiculous to take seriously. Bond would be in his 80s if the first 20 films are all in one continuity.

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How funny would it be to see Bond with senile dementia. The name's Bond...James Brown!

Hey! You're not old enough to drink! Now go and die for your country!!!

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Were you taking Bond more seriously when he was flying with a jetpack, having a laser gun fight on a space station, and watching gypsy camp catfights?

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It's pretty much a reboot each time they cast a new actor, and there's not really any continuity to the pre-Craig Bond franchise. Although just enough to dispel the "Bond as a Code Name" theory. Casino Royale was the first time they did a hard/acknowledged reboot of the series (since they were doing an origin story) but that doesn't mean everything that happened before is one linear story. I know some people think that Connery/Moore and Dalton/Brosnan were the same Bond with the first main reboot taking place after A View To A Kill and then again after Die Another Day giving a total of 3 Bonds. To me there are 7 different incarnations/interpretations of the same character, just like there are many different Batman or Robin Hood stories.

"Dan Marino should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell. Would you like a cookie son?"

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Sure there is continuity. Moore's Bond visits Tracy's grave in For Your Eyes Only, and she had died 12 years earlier in Lazenby's outing. Or how about when Brosnan's Bond, in "Die Another Day", sees the jetpack from Connery's "Thunderball" and asks Q, "Does this still work?"

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The way I've always viewed the Bond continuity is to just forget about the year it was made, forget about the changing of the Bond actors, and just regard each movie as one mission in the life of an 007 agent named James Bond.

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this is the best way to look at it. even the "re-boot with Craig was messed with during Skyfall when he pulled the DB5 out of storage. I love the series had i have no problem with the lose continuity.

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Why? The DB5 could have been the one he won in Casino Royale. As to it being equiped with tech? well if you were 007 I'm sure you'd ask Q Branch to retro fit some security equipment just in case.

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Frankly I consider that James Bond invented the Reboot by definition. Every time the actor changes it's a Reboot. SInce it keeps the same characters per se. It's not a remake. a Remake would mess up the continuity.

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They aren't remakes or reboots, all the pre daniel craig films share the same continuity and there are some dialog elements that talk about past films

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It's in the same continuity, the fact that Bond seems to get older then younger, etc. is simply a continuity error that the filmmakers just decided was inevitable and they couldn't get around it.

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There is no 'continuity' in this film series.

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Nailed it, TreeShaman.

That's part of the fun. Bond just always is Bond, and it doesn't make "sense" and it doesn't have to because the world of Bond makes its own sense.

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Tell that to the losers over at reddit.com/r/jamesbond. They believe in time travel over there just like in the X-Men series where there are different 'timelines' that characters exist in simultaneously.

I'm pretty sure I've raised concern in other posts about the rumour that Bond marries Swann in NTTD. He has already been married once in the series. That trope is done and over with. Unfortunately it seems that the producers have bought into internet fan conspiracy theories that this Bond is a 'different' Bond who exists in a different 'timeline' and therefore has never been married. It's absolutely shocking that people think like this and I am very concerned about the plot of NTTD.

As much as I despise Craig, I will always maintain that he is the one and only James Bond. He is the exact same James Bond as every other Bond. He does not exist in an alternative reality from the other ones.

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This is why I've never bought into the "It's a codename" thing.

They might try to do a Tracy plot with No Time to Die. If they did, frankly, I'd be disappointed. Not because it messes with my headcanon so much as because it would be a little bit of Star Trek: Into Darkness or The Force Awakens: just a sad retread. If they had them marry and NOT bump her off, I'd be impressed, although that would raise a lot of problems going forward (how can Bond be a philanderer if he's a married man?)

You're probably right with being a little nervous about it.

One of the things I like about Bond is that it can tonally shift a lot. So, I'm enjoying the Craig era, but if you're not (as you aren't), at least it can be reset and rejigged in a few years, right?

Long live 007!

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I think there was continuity up until Licence To Kill. Because Leiter says to his wife, Bond was married once but it was a long time ago. Dalton was conceivably old enough to have been Bond way back in 1962. If they had made Bond 50 in 89, he would have been early 20´s in 1962, Timothy Dalton was 43 at the time.

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