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Was this movie written by someone in 9th grade?


seriously, did an actual grown adult write this?

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there isa just no place for us in this world

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haha were you actually watching this film with expectations of being blown away or experiencing a life-changing plot? I don't know about the rest of you but I thoroughly enjoyed this it. I wasn't expecting something spectacular, actually I wasn't expecting anything at all ( I was on acid). I must say though it was quite entertaining and visually appealing. The plot wasn't special, but I was amused with the ongoing themes, such as Rose McGowan's past lovers, the 666, the sexual undertones..etc..


all in all , it was an enjoyable film, if you have no imagination and a sense of art...don't watch this film.



"Everyone's got one special gift." - Dirk Diggler

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Well said Rudeboii.I didnt expect this film to be some kind of Awardwinning-Gone-With-the-Wind movie either. It's more for those "artsy" types who enjoy comical-horror in a cartoon sense,not people who look for a meaning or moral in films.

"It's not a crack hole,it's a rat hole.The rats on a crack attack"-Michael Alig

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no point but it's damn good.

why do intellectuals like this movie? i'm confused




"pick up, girlie!"

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Intellectuals like this movie because of its underlying messages. Gregg Araki is a very clever filmmaker who disguises the emotions of the film behind nihilistic landscapes and pretty flat characters. By this I mean that the characters in the film didn't really present much of an emotional attachment; but what I think that he wants us to concentrate on is them as human beings. Take for instance, the ending sequence which is fairly brutal; James Duval's character has obviously been pinpointed as a homosexual and is being literally persecuted for his sexual orientation; which makes up the brunt of the film. Araki is trying with his trilogy; which begins with "The Living End" and ends with "Nowhere" to eradicate the problem of homophobia; which may not be prevalent to everyone; but for some reason I sense that the whole idea behind the apocalypse trilogy was that if we don't stop discriminating against people the world will come to a tumultuous end.


I realize that its an obscure theory; but I just wanted to throw it out there.

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The first in the trilogy is actually "Totally *beep* Up" because "The Living End" was before the trilogy began.

I agree with your take on the point of the trilogy, but I'm more of a fatalist than you it seems... I think the overall point of the films is pretty well summed up by Dark near the end of "Nowhere" when he says that he's totally doomed. Just when you think he's found happiness... well, you know what happens.

Life's just *beep* up... and that's all there is to it.

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Hey, asrem, I'm an intellectual and Doom Generation is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. In my opinion, second only to I Spit on your grave, but I bet you liked that one too, you sick freak.

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Well, I'm no intellectual but you must not have a sense of humor.

"I blame society"

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hah i watched it the first time on acid too

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In the event that you are still alive (I don't know, your post is old and you were on drugs) I must point out that a movie that must be watched while one is on acid is hardly an intellectual recommendation to see this film. Also, any idiot can have an imagination if they are on drugs. Peace.

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Yeah, the script is pretty amusing and almost embarrassing to read..like amateur erotica.

-Caroline

"Let the lovefeast begin."
"People are dying. The dialogue has to be up to it."

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Hey!

Would do you have against 9th graders? I knew
everything about life at that age... Ha Ha









Thank you very little...

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why do u all hate on Gregg Araki. he could do alot better than any of all yall could!

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Why all the pissing and moaning? Araki obviously wasn't trying to create a thought-provoking masterpiece. Take the movie at face value. Appreciate the cinematography.

I grind films into vaseline. :X :X :X

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When I was a ninth-grader this was one of my favorite movies. I think Araki is really good at showcasing how sensless people are, while at the same time being very sensistive and emotionally charged; I think a lot of the qualities that I enjoy in Doom Generation were created by accident.

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I happened to enjoy this movie too, but I keep hearing all this stuff about thought provoking plot lines, and the showcasing of emotions. I didn't get that at all I thought it was entertaining but mostly I thought it was alot of sex scenes and alot of swearing.

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Yeah i wrote it actually, and i was 14!! (but drunk)

"I dont wanna help the poor at christmas, i'm much too busy in this bird's knickers"

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I was twelve when I watched this (1996) and it was great!

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its also intended to be a joke.

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He rules and can write whatever he wants... he was just making a trangressive movie in this and wasn't trying to sound like an English professor. And the people in this movie wouldn't be articulate and trying to pontificate nonstop like the tools in shows like Dawson's Creek. You wouldn't get that though.


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This movie is not an art movie. This was just a cheap cheap filmmaker trying to cram as much stupid, cliched and obvious social commentary into his dirty movie as possible.
Amatuer to the extreme, and anyone that doesnt think its amatuer is in serious need of death.


"articulate and trying to pontificate nonstop like the tools in shows like Dawson's Creek. You wouldn't get that though"

And when was the last time you heard some skanky girl say "You are so full of sheep excrement" or a stoner say "I feel like a girbil smothered inside Richard Gere's ass" or whatever vile and idiotic nonsense, basically all the dialogue is as stupid as that.

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"Realism is not the point of art"

Tell that to Flaubert.

There is no unifying "point" to art. Sometimes the point is realism, sometimes it is something very different; it depends on the artist. Obviously, realism was not an objective of this film. Unless pretension is an art form, however, there was nothing even vaguely artistic about this film in any sense.

Like many other alleged works of art, it has gathered a coterie of defenders who mistake gore, calculated offensiveness, and complete lack of taste for "edginess" or "transgressive subversion" or some such nonsense. True art can be very offensive, but the offesniveness is a side-effect of an aesthetic, ideological, or philosophical stance.

Being as offensive as one possibly can just for the sake of it is not art, despite the vehement claims of droves of underclassmen goths in second rate film programs. Perhaps, to be a little more precise, such a trick can be innovative enough to consider it art the first time that it's done. But Doom Generation is far from the first attempt to cross as many social mores as possible just for the heck of it.

I enjoy Zombie Holocaust, Dead Alive, Frankenhooker, and the like for the pure entertainment value in seeing just how bad they are in every sense. But I couldn't enjoy this film on that level because of the constant insistence, by fankids and by the film itself, that, underneath all the crap, something deep was going on. It's juvenile in the extreme, as the OP pointed out.

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I'm sure that Arraki was far from as offensive as he could have been. Not every movie needs a deep message but yet this one does have one and obviously you can't find it. Is that the film makers fault? No, not everyone is meant to find this very important message. It's only for a selected few and I'm sorry that you were left out in the cold. I feel bad so let me help you out, go fuhck yourself...ok?...good times...good times!

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"I feel bad so let me help you out, go fuhck yourself...ok?...good times...good times!"

A most un-ninth grade response. What a way to rebut claims that the film is juvenile.

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I don't recall ever defending such claims. What I'd like to know is, how is making a juvenile movie bad? In my eyes movies are a window into one's imaginaton, where there are no boundaries of good taste. It's the self that decides what it wants to see or not tom see and real life plays a part. The movie going experience is very similiar, especially now days with many diffenert types imaginations on film. I happen to like Araki's little adventure and I don't give a sh*t what you or anyone else thinks. When I watch this movie nothing else matters, I'm totally lost in it and things in my life seem to disappear for that few hours...

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"I don't recall ever defending such claims."

Aren't you being a little disingenuous here? The OP, several others, and myself made similar claims in various terms. And you replied to several of us in...colorful language. Clearly, you don't agree with what we're saying, and clearly you wanted us to know that. Doesn't that amount to an attempt to answer our claims?

"What I'd like to know is, how is making a juvenile movie bad?"

It's not, I guess. Or, at least, that wasn't my point. Making a juvenile movie that pretends toward deep social commentary and artistic edginess, on the other hand, is grating in the extreme. Ditto for having to listen to people defend the movie as a thoughtful work of art (as many on this thread have).

"I happen to like Araki's little adventure and I don't give a sh*t what you or anyone else thinks."

I admire your self-confidence. Question: If you don't care what any of us thinks, why write replies to what we say? It is a discussion board, right? Where, presumably, people discuss their thoughts on movies? So if you don't care what anyone else thinks about the movie, why post on the board? Why read what other people think about it in the first place?

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haha exactly.
people defending this have to be young and dumb and/or mall goth dumb asses or something similar.
this is terrible stuff possibly the worst movie I have ever seen.

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Wow . . . okay. So Araki - I don't believe - has stated as his films being artsy or what not, then again if you go to an art school I believe one has the choice to major in film. Whether you count that as a sure sign of all films being part of some form of art is up to you. However, how I see it is that when someone picks up a paint brush the observers see an artist, only other people with paint brushes will recognize who is true and who is false. In short, we are not meant to judge. Personally, I loved the film. I put it on a pedestal. If you don't like it. Well that is quite fine with me. ^_^

As for the script. I love it. Hah, I actually found the lines quite witty and a definite blast from the past. A true 90s overload film. When you think about how young, depraved teens talk. . .you cannot tell me that many of them do not talk as Amy, Jordan, and X do. *shrugs* Anyway, I believe I've finished rambling.

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