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Did not like the racism..


Ramsey made the comment about Lippizaner stallions, from Portugal, and them being "all white". Hunter responds that they are not from Portugal, but from Spain, and at birth, they are black. Ruined the movie, kinda. Why can't black and white antagonists in a movie just fight without racism? This was a fantastic, thrilling movie! Don't ruin it by putting racism into it.

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Baffles me too, felt out of place as Ramsay so obviously was NOT racist, nor was Hunter.
Just stupid 90's writing, I assume.

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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Perhaps they were just sparring equestrian knowledge just like they sparred military knowledge earlier.
I never saw this dialogue as racist. Perhaps you are the racist one(s) who cannot stop thinking about it and view everything through a racist lens.

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Watch Hunter's reaction when Ramsey says "they're all white." It's definitely meant to be a topic about racism. However, I don't think Ramsey was racist. I think he was just needling Hunter to get a reaction.

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This is how I saw it too.

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I take it as a comment referring to black vs white as an argument. Not race, just decision making. Denzel sees in shades of gray, Hackman sees in only black and white. That's the whole point of the movie. It's hammered into you in almost every establishing scene that Hackman doesn't like thinking and Denzel does. Race never comes up.

I perceive no racism implied nor intended.

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Denzel Washingtons character did not say they were black, he said they are born black and then turn white and Gene Hackmans character replied "I did not know that" but then insisted that they are still from portugal not from spain. So they did not argue about the colour of the horses only the country.

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f***ing snowflake ridiculous.

NOW, even CHARACTERS INSIDE movies, complete with bad character flaws, attitudes, and opinions are not allowed to do negative or objectionable things?
You do realize that almost all movies are based around conflicts, and human stupidity, right?
What you are driving for is everything to end up being bland, gray, Barney cartoons. Enjoy that.

The line was brilliantly delivered, sets up even more conflict, and is interestingly resolved at the very end.

Go ahead and remove all the "offensive" parry an jousts from your films - see how you like them.

Can't wait for the REAL world to wake the f*** back up and melt this snowflake BS

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Yeah it cheapened Ramsay, who was a complex and sympathetic villain until they made him a herp derp racist at the last moment. That’s Tarantino for you.

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They didn't get it completely correct anyway. The foals are usually bay (reddish brown/brown) or black (not just black) and became lighter each year as the graying process takes place, with the process being complete between 6 and 10 years of age. Lipizzans are not actually true white horses, but this is a common misconception. A white horse is born white and has unpigmented skin. Until the 18th century they had more variations of colors but the dominant one is grey.

Could be a subtle racism remark but it wasn't really noticeable until you went back to it. Thought it was just the usual banter that he does with the XO. After Ramsey recommended Hunter to his own sub and went into early retirement, they had the conversation again near the end where he admitted he was wrong about them being in Portugal. They smiled, saluted and he went to fetch his dog and scene ends.

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lol....those always trying to find "racism" everywhere are bound to miserably live in a state of endless "offense".
Discussing horses being black or white has to be "racist"?
That is ridiculous beyond compare.

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Well you can lay the blame squarely on Quentin Tarantino’s shoulders for that bit of dialogue. He was brought in at the last minute to beef up the script between the two leads. Google it if you don’t believe me.

Brilliant film, love it!

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