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Unable to surface to receive messages


Probably not a serious issue, but I'm pretty sure submarines of all types are able to blow ballast (blow the seawater out of ballast tanks) in an emergency using air stored under high pressure. These don't need electricity or other power; they can be activated manually.

If this is true, the sub could in fact have avoided the maximum pressure depth and everything associated with it and simply gone for the surface both to survive and to receive the latest EAM messages or whatever.

But that would have screwed the plot, I guess.

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My memory of that scene is kind of hazy but I do remember the chief of the boat saying something like 'forward air pressure 0'. I surmised from that scene that blowing the ballast tanks was not an option, and that is why it was critical to restore propulsion. Perhaps the tanks were not charged. Why, I can't say, I don't recall if that is covered.

Edit: Just watched that scene. The line is 'Forward ballast tanks damaged sir, forward air pressure 0'. There you have it. Oh, and it wasn't the COB. Another officer or chief.

The only issue I take with that scene (and it's a really small one) is the rate at which they show the ship sinking. That ship is nearly 600 feet long. At barely over three boat lengths they reach crush depth. If the ship truly were sinking at that rate it all would've been over in less than a minute. But that's okay. It's a great scene anyway.

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To add to what herbsuperb wrote, at that point in the story (after the second attack) the depth of the sub is no longer the main issue in the communications blackout. The problem is that "the radio" was damaged in the attack, hence Vossler must be their Scotty to save the day by repairing said radio. It is not entirely clear, but within the confines of the movie story I don't think even periscope depth would have enabled them to receive EAMs until those repairs were done.

To me, this is technically dicey, because the ballistic missile submarine in this movie seems to have less communications redundancy than a Starbucks, but as you indicate, this is necessary to drive the story.





"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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There may have also been the issue of hull popping. Older subs, including boomers, creak when pressure is changed suddenly when either diving or surfacing. That would have given their position away for another attack.

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Regardless of the damage and the Emergency blow system. Prior even to the damaging torpedo attack....

NO Strategic Nuclear asset is going to the surface for a radio message.
Remember Ramsey's reluctance even prior to that of going anywhere near the surface until the missiles were ready for launch, which is why they attempted to use the communications buoy in the first place.

When you are shallow, you are a lot easier to detect than when deep. Not just because of the hull popping from the expansion and contraction of the hull under varying seawater pressures... but for cavitation of the Prop from lessening sea pressure as well. The Soviets also have satellites that can detect shallow subs but not at depth.

Even Hunter would not go near the surface until they were ready to do so.
Your idea of Surfacing to get the message is quaint, but uninformed.


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But doesn't cavitation only occur at shallow depths and at certain speeds?

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correct, which is why they remain deep to avoid cavitation while still being able to have some speed. available.

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Of course, as has already been pointed out, the issue wasn't that they had too much water overhead to receive the transmission, the problem was that the radio itself was broken.

Although, I do find it a bit convenient that they couldn't just replace the receiver unit with a spare.

When a loose cannon flogs a dead horse, there's the Devil to pay!

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Buddy of mine was an electronics tech in the Navy for 12 years, and that's exactly what he said they would do. Aside from having redundant backups built in, they would just swap out components to the radio or trade out the entire system altogether; sitting there with a soldering iron would NEVER happen.

Here's to the health of Cardinal Puff.

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In the Navy, not just in subs, but us Surface skimmers as well.... We are trained to troubleshoot to the circuit board level, not to the individual component level.

So if one of our systems was failed for whatever reason, we would test and narrow it down to an individual printed circuit board and then replace that entire board from stores and then reboot the system. The board itself might be up to thousands of $$$ to replace and the only thing wrong on it is a tiny little 10 cent radioshack piece.

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Big thing is they are in Russian waters during a coup. They just battled a Russian attack sub. Surfacing would give away their position and make them vulnerable to surface ships and aircraft.

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Yeah, that was my takeaway too - surfacing was not an option at that point.

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Big thing is they are in Russian waters during a coup.

Since when is the middle of the North Pacific Ocean... Russian Waters?

Must have missed that memo.



Their patrol area was in the Emperor Seamounts.

A range of underwater sea mounts running roughly North/South connecting the Hawaiian ridge to the Aleutian.



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