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all ace had to do was pay the dummy


That idiot guy he fires, and gets his license checked as payback....all ace had to do was tell the guys brother in law. We will give him a paycheck every 2 weds but he's too dumb to work here. Tell him stay away abs we will mail him his check every pay day. Done. No hassles and every ones happy

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Ego

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No hassles and every ones happy


I only slightly disagree so let me ask this question then. What is to discourage someone else who is connected from pulling a scam? I dont think Don was capable of doing that because I think he was just stupid. But if I am a smarter version of Don and my brother in law is also a bigshot, why wouldnt I try and set something up? Seems to me that the penalty is not having to go to work and getting a paycheck.

Ace had to get rid of Don to send a message that this casino is off limits to BS. But I agree, he didnt have to fire him IMO. He could have had him transferred away to another casino looking to do a favor for a County Commissioner.

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Another Casino would have exacerbated the problem - County Commissioner Webb's nephew wouldn't have been present at the Tangiers, so Webb would still have had Ace's casino checked out.

Maybe Ace should really have given Don a 'mop job' at his own casino and kept him 'juiced in'?

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Another Casino would have exacerbated the problem - County Commissioner Webb's nephew wouldn't have been present at the Tangiers, so Webb would still have had Ace's casino checked out.

Maybe Ace should really have given Don a 'mop job' at his own casino and kept him 'juiced in'?

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Webb wasnt hellbent on Don working at the Tangiers. Webb was hell bent on Don having a job. Which Ace could have helped with, eliminated his problem and Webb would have been fine IMO.

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He should have just put him in some other job like running the bar or a restaurant or something. The amount of money they were making, it could have been easy to justify one guy working a job that doesn't even need doing. But the point of the film is that Sam was getting too full of himself.

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"But the point of the film is that Sam was getting too full of himself."

Exactly. I actually always thought that this scene was the one when we discover how high Ace's ego had grown. And not so long after, things started to strike back at him.

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Social_Intovert had it right: it was about ego. You hear it from Ace when he's talking to Green before the muffin blowout. He's sick of having to keep the local powers happy by doing them favors.

You also hear it from Santoro when he tells him his "head is getting bigger then your casino, pal." Ace views himself as a "somebody," that he's grown beyond the need to cater to people he views as beneath him that did nothing to help grow his empire. It's hubris, and the first domino that goes down in the sequence to ruin everything.

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I was thinking the same thing. Ace was obviously getting a bit too big for his britches, but there are also other factors to consider.

Ace was an impatient man. Look at how quickly he married Ginger. He even had to have a baby before the ceremony.

He also couldn't tolerate stupidity. I mean, he did give Ward a few chances. A guy like him probably would've thrown Ward out on his ass after the first mistake if not for being related to the County Commissioner.

The guy had one job: To make sure the machines were in proper working order. The fact that he was too stupid to see what was going on must have pissed the bosses off something awful. It was about delivering huge sums of cash back home. Having rigged or faulty machines means less money, especially with people pocketing some of the profits.

Ace Rothstein: Ward, you're pissing me off. Now you're insulting my intelligence; what you think I am, a fuckin' idiot? You know goddamn well that someone had to get into those machines and set those fuckin' reels. The probability of one four-reel machine is a million and a half to one; the probability of three machines in a row; it's in the billions! It cannot happen, would not happen, you fuckin' mo-mo! What's the matter with you? Didn't you see you were being set up on the second win?

True, he could have just reassigned him elsewhere within the casino. Make the guy a janitor. At least he still has a job. I'm sure Commissioner Webb wouldn't have cared.

Ol' Don's as useless as tits on a boar.

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" It's hubris, and the first domino that goes down in the sequence to ruin everything."

Excellent anology. This is exactly what happened.

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Possibly a job measuring an equal part of blueberries for every muffin.

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So he is just supposed to keep someone who is incompetent and commits gross wrongs on the job like that just because he is a relative of someone important and powerful?

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If you and me did something wrong and lost our jobs, will the manager EVER bother paying us or doing any favours for us even if we WERE relatives of someone rich and powerful?

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If your relatives made it possible for the manager to have/keep their own job, then yes. Ace had the opportunity to make a powerful friend but let his ego make a powerful enemy instead.

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Yes.

But also...

Say if Don did something even worse or more offensive, should he have just kept him like that because he was Commissioner's brother?

And what if Ace wasn't in the Mafia or had others give him the job that were more powerful?

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It would depend on what that "something even worse" was, obviously. If he was stealing or assaulting guests or co-workers, I think that is a completely different story.

Not sure what you mean in your second question.

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Ace was too proud and stubborn to let them get their way. It was a matter of principle to him.

It's that old story of pride coming before the fall.

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Ego and principle, mostly principle.

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