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Truer to the play? NO way!


Excuse me, but what was the idiocy with Albert's mother coming up from under the water in the lake, fur coat and all? And how about Mr.MacAfee sleeping in the same bed with his son, rolling on top of him, and declaring himself to be the "perfect princess"??? Marc Kudisch as Conrad was much better than the terrible Jesse Pearson in the first film, but aside from that, sorry folks, the first movie version was alot more fun. Birdie as a play, basically has a very weak second act, which is why they jazzed up the original with the Russian ballet speeding up and all that. It's STILL ten time more entertaining than this tripe. And talk about ZERO chemistry:Jason and Vanessa?? Laughable.

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You're dead wrong. The first film was a disgrace to the musical. Both Dick Van Dyke and Paul Lynde (the two best ever) hated the changes. They didn't make a Bye Bye Birdie film, they made an Ann-Margret Show. This film is perfectly true to the original and beautifully. I mean, Van Dyke and Lynde are best ever and better than Alexander and Wendt, but the first one was no way as good as this one. Sorry, but this ain't a oppinon, this is a fact.

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Then how do you explain that ridiculous scene with Tyne coming out of the water? I'm sorry, but the original film was 10 times more entertaining than this tripe. This is no way true to the original either; and THAT'S a fact.

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No, it's not. Who cares if Tyne came out of the water? They wanted to add some funniness so they had Mae Peterson enter from the water. This one is a fact truer to the original.

In the musical, Albert Peterson is not trying to be a biochemist, he is trying to be an English Teacher.

In the musical, Hugo does not have solos in A Lot of Livin' To Do, The Telephone Song, nor any of that.

Kim does not sing those lyrics in A Lot of Livin' to Do.

The song "Kids" is not sung like that, in the kitchen, by Albert, Mae, Harry and Randolph.

Hugo does not punch Conrad at that part.

The first movie was nothing compared to the original. It was a great movie, but it was a disaster to the musical. They were Just making it into an Ann-Margret film.

No, you are wrong. This is a fact, final. No. That old one is not truer to the musical.

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If you wanna get down to brass tacks, A Lot Of Livin' To Do was never meant to be Act Two's show stopper, Spanish Rose was. The stageshow was, after all, a showcase for Chita Rivera and Dick Van Dyke. Put On A Happy Face was his showstopper for Act One, Spanish Rose was her's for Act Two.

I think the biggest mistake this adaptation did was to use the stage script almost word for word, then add scene to expand on the story. Adaptation means to adapt, not copy. But I'm nitpicking here.

I also could have done without the addition of A Giant Step and Let's Settle Down. Both sound out of place. However, A Mother Doesn't Matter Anymore was a fitting addition, and lots of productions licence rights to this song, and the title song, to include it into their versions of the stage show.

So, while this is truer to it's source material, it's not exactly a heaven send. That being said, I absolutely did NOT care for the 1963 version. If you're going to make a movie based on a stage play, at least let it resemble the story 80%, even if you completely rewrite the dialogue.



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thank you silvercreedwolf, you make valid points with out getting into a childish argument.

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No, you're damn wrong.

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I agree with you. This version is CRAP! Awful acting, every character mis-cast. If the cast was different, then it might be better, but not as it is. The original might be an "Ann-Margret show" but it was way more fun to watch and had tons of energy. And who has a problem watching a young Ann-Margret anyway?? Cynna Phillips....YUCK! She was old enough to play her mom in this.

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I love Ann-Margret, and the opening to the 63 movie will always be a favorite moment, but it was not Bye, Bye Birdie. For years I always complained there were two things I hated, the whole Ed Sullivan BS and how much of a wuss Albert was. For those who never actually saw Sullivan, he used to have at least a dozen acts per episode. He would have never done something insane like cut Conrad's number. And in the movie, Albert never grows a pairs. His mother just runs off and gets married. In the play he puts her on the train back home. Totally different thing.

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I completly agree that the original movie is one big Ann-Margaret show, it bored me half way through, all of her songs are way to drawn out and boring. The new version is much more lively and upbeat. I just saw the musical last night on broadway and the new movie follows it almost to the tee. Except of course the new songs added, which except for Settle Down I love. I believe George and Vanessa do have chemistry, as much as the actors on stage did. There an odd couple, thats the whole point. Chynna Philips is way to old but if you watch it enough it becomes believable. A Lot of Livin to Do is fun and I love Mark Kudish (where did he disapeer to? ) So, all all if your looking for a better version then the original and a more true to play verison the newer one is the one for you.

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Yes. This newer movie is much better. But I still say Dick Van Dyke and Paul Lynde are best Albert and Harry ever.

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Dick Van Dyke & Paul Lynde were really hurt for years that the movie was basically turned into a star vehicle for Ann Margret.

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You're right. If they're gonna make a movie of a musical, they need to stay true to the show. Not change it to makeĀ one actor famous.

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This film version was closer to the the 90's tour than anything. Of course I never got to to see the original production but I have seen both movies, the 90's tour with Tommy Tune and Susan Egan, and the most recent Broadway revival with John Stamos.

A couple of points:

A Giant Step was used in the 90's tour. It was sung as a solo by Tommy Tune and it wasn't meant as a love song to Rosie. Albert had just told Mae to go on her way and he sings the number. Rosie wasn't even on stage. I can't remember about the other songs. Pretty sure Let's Settle Down was written just for this movie.

Marc Kudisch didn't disappear to anywhere. He was Birdie in the tour with Tommy Tune which is probably how he got the part. While he does have a decent resume here on imdb he's primarily a stage actor. I was lucky enough to see him as Franklin Hart in 9 to 5 on Broadway.

Chynna Phillips was 100% miscast in this role. I thought it when I was sixteen and I still think it now. There had to be somebody more age appropriate. Gina Gershon was totally miscast in the last revival. She's a great actress and has a nice voice but it didn't suit these songs. And don't even get me started on her dancing.



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This version is better. Simple as that. Final. And Chynna Phillips was 100% better than Ann-Margret.

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While I do agree that this movie is not "truer" than the original, I have to disagree with Birdie having a weak second act. For what the show is, a musical and a comedy with catchy songs, it needs discipline from the orchestra and allot of energy from the actors to make it shine. If the musicians and actors don't bring their A-game, it's going to run flat. And this production ran flat.

The actors in this movie were using big-screen acting techniques for a production based on a broadway musical, which was shown on tv. Why they would act in a subdued cinema-style is beyond me. The acting felt lazy with no attention given to the levels that a line needs to work in a comedy, nor much given to the timing to make the lines comical. Except for the actress playing Mrs. MacAfee, the production was almost performed as a drama.

Then there was "the orchestra." I'm still not convinced the music was not performed by a synthesizer, despite what the liner notes say. There was no light "springtime glow" the musical is known for. There was no sound of the 50's, just a very hodge-podge "modern sound," not-unlike Grease. The musicians sounded less like trained professionals that play off one another at slightly different beats and different volumes, and more like a rehearsal accompanist banging out notes on the piano. The orchestrations felt lazy too.

For a show involving an Elvis Presley-type and screaming, hysterical teenagers, it could seem on the surface to be an easy-to-perform show. While it is allot of fun, it takes allot of time and hard work to fine tune, something this production seemed to skip. But for a well-disciplined company, Birdie's second act can be high energy with one plot point overlapping another. It's not a drama, but a parody of American suburban life (in the 50's,) satirizing social phenomenons like Birdie, Ed Sullivan, prejudice of certain races and marriage, back when that was about a man and a woman.

Although this movie is much more like the broadway production, the original movie captures the energy needed to have the audience on the side of every character without demonizing them; This is a parody, with no big antagonist needed. Sure, allot of the new lines in the first movie weren't as good as the play, half of the songs were cut and the orchestrations took on a different life of their own, it didn't have Chita Rivera, Dick Gautier, or Kay Medford, which it sorely needed. Yet, it was successful. The '95 movie had Vanessa Williams, who played other Chita Rivera rolls and Jason Alexander, who although would have been better as Mr. MacAfee, had theater and tv experience...It should have worked.

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Either way, this version is 100% better than the original film. With the exception of it needed Dick Van Dyke and Paul Lynde.

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