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Didn't like it (contains spoilers)


I know several people on these boards don't like it when someone offers an alternate opinion, but ...

I really really did not like this movie.

Why?

Underdeveloped storyline.
Bad directing and camera angles (sometimes not even in focus).
Poor casting.
Consistently bad wardrobe, hair and makeup.
Awkward/poor acting.

It started with the beginning of the movie when the mom told the son that she was moving to Ireland immediately. The usual response would be, "You're doing WHAT??!?! You're leaving NOW??" Or at least the offer to drive the woman to the airport. The SONS response in this movie? (*shrug*) "Okay, Ma." RIGHT.

For me, the whole movie was like that.

At the end, Ed Burns character has a fight with his girlfriend and she walks out. He chases a cab thinking it's hers but doesn't catch it. Previously very angry with him, she suddenly stands behind him, drops her bags and then kisses him with none of the previous stuff (in the argument) being resolved. HUH??

A better ending? He chases the cab, misses it and gets down on his knees in the middle of the street, yelling her name one time in desperation over what he just lost. The girlfriend sees this incredibly romantic gesture, drops her bags and rushes to kiss him.

It seemed like a lot of the script was either ad-libbed (badly) or written on the spot. The actors seemed to have no emotions or even facial expressions.

Other than all of this, I loved it (LOL).

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Firstly I want to say that it is everyones right to voice an opinion about any topic no matter how much it frustrates anyone else. That is what message boards are all about.

But the question I want to ask you is, Have you ever made an independent film with no money? Do you know what an independent film is?

The reason I ask is because I think you are being unfair about some of your criticism's.

Firstly, your comments about the photography. This film was shot on an old 16mm camera using off cuts and used stock footage. They shot with available light because it was an INDEPENDENT film, they couldn't afford lights etc. That is why the photography isn't spectacular and sometimes out of focus.

Secondly, 'Casting'. The filmmaker was using UNPAID actors...once again, because it was a low budget INDEPENDENT film. It is unfair to expect 'A' class acting from actors who were starring in their first feature film. But I feel they were, to the most part, very good in their respective roles.

Thirdly, Wardrobe. There is no wardrobe department on this film. There was no money for a wardrobe dept. The actors were wearing their own clothes and doing their own make-up/hair.

I do agree that the script/story was not top shelf but I really liked it.

Now, obvioulsy I'm a fan, as can be seen by most of my previous posts. But, if this was a Hollywood film with a budget, I would probably agree with you in totality.

Barry McMullen: "I like being a pessimist. It helps me deal with my inevitable failure."

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"Low budget" or "indie" category excuses nothing. Mean Streets was shot in what, 27 days with a low budget?

You can cast good actors even unpaid. NY and LA is teaming with actors with little experience who will work for the exposure. Every NYU film student does exactly that every year in NY. Every professional actor has worked unpaid several times in their career. The key is to hire people who can actually act. Actors take paycuts to do indies when they like the script. It all comes down to the script.

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I must say that you're not allowing this film to tell a story. It's established that the boys knew that there mother loved another man but married their father because that's what was expected. It would have shown their denseness if they asked why she was going back to Ireland.

About the wardrobe and makeup, who gives a flying fig? In case you haven't noticed, people in real life don't always dress well and the male half rarely wears makeup. You seem to be paying too much attention to the superficial, technical, trivial details.

About the acting, I didn't see a problem. Maybe they were friends of his. You know, like Sam Raimi did in the first Evil Dead. I can only imagine how hostile you'd be toward that one.

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I found it unwatchable. I cannot believe that this got released. It's a bad student film. There are good student films and shorts that never got this exposure. Look at two similar and much more polished small films at the time (and as Burns got money fix his original film up prior to release -the budgets are equivalent - it was not all that indie as they re-shot) "Swingers" and "Amongst Friends" - those are low budget, well written, acted, and shot films.

Bros McMullen is a mess. Terrible film that did well on release as an indie darling - but it has not aged well as there is nothing substantial to it.

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I sort of enjoyed the awkwardness.
I think it's a "good" student film, something I find
a thousand times more interesting than a dumb formula film like
"Marley and Me."

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i like this film because of it's independence. it has a dull, calm, folksy sense too it.
i guess you just gotta have the tolerance for movies like this.

i'm not Irish, so i bet if your Irish-Catholic, you'll have an even better connection with the movie.

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I really wanted to like this film. Truly. When I first rented it I expected it to be awesome, must admit I was disappointed. The entire thing felt very 'forced to me'. I never got in sync with it at all - it just never 'caught me' while viewing it. Regardless if it was low budget, independent, hand held camera's, no wardrobe, or whatever, plain and simply for me - it just never took me into that place where you go when you absorb a film, get into it, etc. My daughter's animated films I watch with her (and she is 9) held my attention more. I did not believe one scene. You know how when you really get into a film, you almost believe it's real? It just take you away? This movie, sorry, for me, just never accomplished that. I didn't believ3 it. SO FORCED AND AWKWARD.

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"i'm not Irish, so i bet if your Irish-Catholic, you'll have an even better connection with the movie."

Not really. I am Irish Catholic and from NY it left me cold ...and annoyed. It was dull, it plodded and the characters were just spitting out clumsy dialogue in scene after scene. I did not expect to dislike it as much as I did quite frankly.

Just a poor effort. I can forgive a lot of an indie film if the story is good or heartfelt. I have seen tons of films shot on a shoestring. This was just bad.

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"Underdeveloped storyline.
Bad directing and camera angles (sometimes not even in focus).
Poor casting.
Consistently bad wardrobe, hair and makeup.
Awkward/poor acting."

This sums up all.
They should remake this movie.
Improve screenplay, at moments the dialogue is so forced and unnatural.
Hire a new director.
Spend some more money on wardrobe, hair, make up and people around (it looks like they live alone in the world, the city that should burst with people around looks all empty)
Above all, acting is at the best mediocre and sometimes absolutely horrible. Not a single decent actor in this movie.

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My only comment is about the mother leaving and the kids not making a big fuss about it...

they knew there mother was unhappy. They knew there father was an alchoholic dead-beat who beat them and they're mother. And the man she was leaving Ireland for was the person she named her 2nd born son after.

If my mother put up with a douche like that and he died when I and my 2 brothers were old enough to support ourselves, and she said she was leaving to be with the one man she ever loved, I'd probably say "Right on Ma'. Do what you gotta do. You already put up with enough bull *beep* for one life time"

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Why does someone start a thread like this and not come back on to discuss it?

I won't call them a troll, but it is troll like behavior.

Maybe they resent a guy like a Burns who wrote, produced, and directed a movie about what he knew and was sucessful with this small film.

It's not perfect, but it's not what the OP is making it out to be.



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I'm glad that he didn't come back.

Anyone can like/dislike whatever they choose. Hey, everything's subjective, except math, of course.

My problem is that most of his complaints are nit-picking.

This is a movie by a first-timer, on a shoe-string budget - and it's ten times better than a lot of the other big-budget crap, by established people, that we see these days.

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have you ever met an irish catholic family

i liked how it dealt with abortion and adultery with-in that world. practicing catholics are gnarely.

also, i didnt feel too forced...it actually sounded just liike my cousin at times...
"ya frruuuittcaakkkee!"


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