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Jim Carrey was insufferable!


This was basically PEAK Jim Carrey comedy era. There was This, In living color, Ace Ventura, The Mask & Liar, Liar all in the span of 3 years. His rubbery body & over the top delivery. It worked in the others for me but I genuinely couldn't stand him in this & I still can't to this day

And I know I'm definitely in the minority here. Cause I've seen a lot people be like, "He's the best part of the movie". And I'm over here like, I can't stand his Riddler. And Tommy Lee Jones is NOT helping. Trying to "Out Jim Carrey" Jim Carrey? Yeah, you're making it worse.

I guess you could say, I couldn't sanction their buffoonery



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I know there was still a lot of Jim Carrey-esque moments in Batman Forever, but for me this character was a lot different than his other roles. At least when starting out. His desperate and obsessed performance at the start was believable and weird.

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Yeah, the moment he turned into The Riddler, that's when he became insufferable for me.

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He was OK in the first scene, after that he was just being Jim Carrey and doing his usual thing.

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I'm always the first to say "Well I like it, but I don't insist that you like it too", but here... well, what else could anyone else say?

Personally, I think Carrey was brilliant for the first 4/5 of the film, and blew it in the final scene, the director wanted everyone to play everything big and camp and he played it right on the edge of being TOO big and TOO camp until the final scene... where he went over that edge and fell into the Valley of Awfulness. But until then, he played a very complicated role of a brilliant and crazy man who couldn't deal with his feelings with real depth (as well as big-and-camp), another actor might have been just goofy but with Carrey you can see the layers of repression peeling away to reveal a bottomless depth of crazy... in a big-and-camp over-the-top style. It's an interesting performance, if it doesn't totally get up your nose.

PS: And Tommy Lee Jones is terrible, he isn't comfortable at the same level of big-and-camp as Carrey, to put it politely. In their scenes together, he seems ready to strangle Carry, for overshadowing him and taking the movie in a direction he doesn't want to go.

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Excellent post. I said the movie can be a result of it's time and I think had the movie been made now, you would have really seen an in depth dark look at the Riddler. But the 90s was a much different time with different expectations. It's a hard wire to balance on and I think Carrey did a great job. I like the campiness.

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I didn't mind it. He reminded me of Frank Gorshin on steroids. I kinda liked how they even explain his zanniness with him getting this super charge of those TV waves and making him even more insane. My only nit pick (and it's just for the sake of the conversation) is I would have liked to have seen him a little more serious in the beginning; just a few more notches down to really showcase how mad he had become.

I can agree with you on Tommy Lee though. I have a love/hate relationship with his portrayal of Two-Face. I knew the cartoon Two-Face before this movie and seeing him be more goofy and unlike the more serious/classy/mob type from the cartoon was off for me. But at the same time, I friggin love Tommy Lee Jones in everything I see and can take it as just this film's interpretation. I'm sorry they didn't keep Billy Dee Williams in the role and yet, I can't picture this movie without the cast as is.

I can definitely see your issues with Carrey. It's a film of it's time using a star of his time and it can quickly become dated. I look at it as Jim Carrey at his best before he became a total hollywood weirdo.

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I can't watch this anymore. It's just not very good compared to the Burton ones. I always hated Two Face in this. My first introduction to Two Face was the 90s Batman cartoon and Tommy Lee Jones was just nothing like the character.

It was stupid to use him in this as he was created in the 40s and was banned from comics by DC Executives in the 50s due to him being deemed too inappropriate for kids. He wouldn't even be used again til 1968.

And Jim Carrey's Riddler was just too goofy and silly for my taste. I wish they'd use him in a more serious toned movie.

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Thank goodness Two Face got a second chance in The Dark Knight. Heath Ledger's Joker always gets the praise in that film & rightfully so, he was brilliant.

But I feel like Aaron Eckhart kinda gets overlooked because of it. In my opinion, he was absolutely fantastic as Harvey Dent & Two Face. Absolutely loved his performance.

Also, Riddler is getting his second chance in the upcoming The Batman. Here's to hoping Matt Reeves can redeem him.

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Yeah. Echhart was good. But my only problem is he doesn't become Two Face til the last 30 minutes. Wish he could have come back in the 3rd one.

Also I saw the trailer of Batman last Monday when seeing the suicide squad but forgot it due to some stressful work days.

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Or He should've been Harvey Dent in Batman Begins & Two Face in The Dark Knight. But still, I think he did a wonderful job with a limited screen time as Two Face

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Thank goodness Two Face got a second chance in The Dark Knight. Heath Ledger's Joker always gets the praise in that film & rightfully so, he was brilliant.

But I feel like Aaron Eckhart kinda gets overlooked because of it. In my opinion, he was absolutely fantastic as Harvey Dent & Two Face. Absolutely loved his performance.

I absolutely agree with you. Ledger was of course incredible, but Eckhart did a fantastic job! Especially at the film's climax. Really superb.

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Yep, my only gripe with Two-Face in TDK is that we don't see enough of him then they killed him off.
Harvey was a major character but they make Two-Face a minor villain.
I liked Bane but it would've been fitting if Two-Face was the main villain in Rises.

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I hated the design of Two-Face in Nolan’s movie. Like, here’s a guy with half of the skin on his face melted off, revealing only bones and raw muscle tissue, and he’s not dead of an infection yet or in a coma due to the intense amount of pain? Also how can he even see out of his eye when he doesn’t have any eyelids there? So, so bad.

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This is an excellent point. The design WAS really ridiculous. Especially if he didn't want to do a campy version of Batman films.

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The whole movie was insufferable!


and I think Tommy Lee Jones was worst than Jim.

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I honestly don't get what Tommy Lee Jones was going for. Was he really trying to "out goof" freaking Jim Carrey? That's an impossible thing to do

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I think he was doing a terrible joker impression.

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Even as a kid I was like “he’s just playing the same character he always does”. I don’t know why people keep defending him but he was pretty bad. Especially the scene where he and Two-Face first meet, that was some awful acting. I will say this though I thought he was OK until his second scene where he starts imitating a game show host. (Yeah he lasted a total of maybe 3 minutes).

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I always thought that Jim Carrey was supposed be playing a kind of a '90s version of Frank Gorshin's Riddler on the 1960s TV series. His Riddler wasn't exactly a "suave intellectual" like on Batman: The Animated Series or like the Zodiac killer like Paul Dano's version in The Batman.

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Carry had excellent comic potential, at least on In Living Color. Then his agent got him a string of high-profile projects, Lauren Hutton inexplicably married him, and he started believing his own hyperbole. We can see that, today, with the benefit of hindsight, but we got the first sniff of it in this gawdawful dung pile

RIDDLER
A GOD am I!! [PAUSE, GIGGLE] Was that over the top? I can never tell.

That line sums Jimbo up nicely🤮

Props to the poster who remembered Frank Gorshin. HE was The Riddler.

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