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I actually thought Val Kilmer made a decent Bruce Wayne/Batman.


Don't get me wrong, this movie sucked, but Val played a suave Bruce and was a mysterious Batman. I liked him in it and felt like he was trying to act different than everyone else in the film.

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Why does everybody say this movie sucked? I haven't seen it since 1996...I remember liking it...I owned it on vhs. Does it just not hold up in general? Very dated, etc?

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I sort of think of it as mediocre, and largely because it splits its focus. It's got too many goofy one-liners, Two-Face has as much wackiness as the Riddler, and even Batman is quipping with stuff like, "I'll get drive-thru." It's got that silliness in there, but it's also got acid traps, retains a lot of dark shadows, the murder of the Graysons, and so forth. So it kinda lives in two worlds and never makes enough of a commitment to either to really work. I also feel like Jim Carrey's Riddle is, like most films starring that fellow in the '90s, mostly a role for Jim Carrey to do his schtick. Carrey was ridiculously popular at the time, so they gave him a long leash. Kinda like how Robin Williams often received moments in his movies to "riff".

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Interesting...

I think a lot of my bias for this film probably comes from Val Kilmer, who was was also a big deal at the time to kids like me due to Tombstone.

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Kilmer's a brilliant actor. My favourite performance of his might be Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang.

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I think it's because it's a completely different tone to the first two films, but in a bad way. I feel like it's almost mocking Batman. There's quite a few unintentional laugh out loud moments.

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Yeah, I thought he was good at it, too.

I read somewhere that he was Bob Kane's favourite performance of the character, but I can't remember where I read it (and I don't know whether or not he just said that for publicity).

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There's so much bad dialogue in this, but he manages to make them sound not so ridiculous.

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Yeah, I have to applaud his delivery on, "It's the car, right? Chicks dig the car?" because he manages to get it into deadpan-sarcastic territory where the line does kinda work. It's too bad he didn't get to work with a better script and a director who was sticking more with Burton's vision.

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I think he would have done well if Tim Burton directed it.

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That's where I think Kilmer thrived in the role when compared to George Clooney. Val Kilmer unlike Clooney had the ability to make cheeseball lines like that work. Clooney I think, would've clearly sounded embarrassed, visibly irritated, and detached had he said "It's the car, right? Chicks dig the car?" I think that wrote that Kilmer brought a suaveness and a genuine feeling that he was the "smartest person in the room" when compared to say, Michael Keaton's interpretation or George Clooney's Bruce Wayne.

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Clooney's deadpan works with brilliant lines. From Dusk Till Dawn has him spitfiring so many brilliant lines, often with that wry detachment that really works, or a lot of the Coen Brothers' stuff he does. But stick him with a terrible script like Batman and Robin and he just sounds bored and aloof.

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I thought Kilmer did a great job as Batman (and as Bruce Wayne). I still believe that no-one has ever looked better in the suit.

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I think he had the best physique to naturally fit in.

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