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MAIN reason why THIS film was Great + Part2 wasnt


It was because the first one was more improvised and natural, and wasnt forced. They weren't trying to be funny. Even Michael Bay said in the commentaries that many scene and basically ALL the funny ones were added to the script by Will Smith and Martin while filming. Bay said he would just let the camera roll while they were filming.

Also I think it more intimate filming environment and Will and Martin were younger and more edgier then, then they are now b/c they're older, have more established families etc.

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You're forgetting everything else that makes the second one fail. The action goes on for two long and generates no tension whatsoever. The film doesn't have the same sweeping score that Mark Mancina did for the first film which adds so much. And this one was just the right length with a nice pared-down plot, but BBII was so overlong, and by the end of the film gets a bit too nationalistic for my taste. The first one was made on a shoestring budget and looks fantastic - the second is just excess baggage.






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I totally agree with you. I also remember making note in my head that the ending was like propaganda lol w/ the guantanamo bay *beep* etc. That was horrible lol. But yeah man, I totally agree.

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(I can't believe I wrote 'too' as the number 'two'.)

There's something seriously wrong with the moral compass of a film if the heroes are crying, "Hurry we've got to get to Guantanamo Bay." I'm sorry, you're rushing to get to Guantanamo Bay? Have words ceased to have meaning? That's the place you've decided to make the climax's safe zone?

I'm no prude, I love violent action movies, but damn. The last half hour of that film treats Cuba as if it's run by the Taliban or something. Oh and lest we forget they gleefully destroy an entire shanty town, so at best everyone's homeless, and at worst they're mass murderers!




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So if the place was run by the Taliban as opposed to Cuba then those actions would be acceptable? I'm Muslim and I find those remarks inherently unjust and bigoted (and by implication they are).

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Some political thoughts, Hamud.

What I was implying was that Cuba isn't some heavily totalitarian state controlled by zealots, where the people are crying out to liberate it. If America (and Britain) were capable of offering genuine military support to people - and the people genuinely wanted that external intervention, as opposed to invading them on a whim, stealing their resources and exacerbating the extremists - only then would some form of engagement be acceptable.

But no, my point was regardless of your view of a government you can't go breaking international law and destroying countless civilians, and chalking it up as acceptable collateral damage. The film's ending reflects that sort of 'anything goes', nationalistic, vigilante attitude, that, even if it was a justified conflict, would be abhorrent.

And yes I consider the Taliban, and Hezbollah, and Hamas (and by logical extension the Zionists we keep sponsoring) all bad. I agree with having to engage the right territories, once determining where the real perpetrators are, and then quickly leaving a new government to its own future. That hasn't happened this decade.

The tragedy of the 2000s hasn't been 9/11, it's been the exploitation of a tragedy, and the transformation of the world's largest army to a terror cell for economic gain, that has caused many more 9/11s. (We're pretty good at reporting and mourning our civilians but not theirs.) It hasn't been the first time it's happened, and I doubt it'll be the last.

It's hard to see how we can fight foreign extremists, when those defending us are fundamentalists themselves, with a similarly horrible, theocratic agenda.

Oh and Michael Bay should keep out of politics. Pearl Harbor was infinitely more offensive.

Happy trails, Hans.





"When the chips are down, these civilised people will eat each other."

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Skinny Martin is much better than fat Martin.

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Yes! And also they kept it simple in this film!

"Keep it simple, stupid!"

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The sequel should have never been made. Terrible.

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when is part 3?

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I'm like one of the few people with you. I prey every night before bed time that they announce a third film

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The first was genuinely funny, the second not particularly.

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You sat through Bad Boys 2 and didn't smile or laugh?

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Of course i laughed just not as much or as hard as in the first one.

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If someone asked me if I laughed at a film and I replied "not particularly", then I didn't.

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Ehh thatd be "Not at all", not particularly is just another way of saying not regularly.

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> They weren't trying to be funny.

Good thing, because they weren't funny....

Both movies suck. :) At least the second one has a famous line.



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1. The first movie didn't rely on overblown special effects and gross-out humor to get the attention of the audience.

2. The first movie showed Martin and Will as equals. The second movie made Will Smith the main action hero and wrote Martin Lawrence as his comic sidekick. It should have been more balanced out with Martin becoming more the center of the action, especially when Marcus's sister gets kidnapped.

3. The first movie had more improvised lines between Martin and Will, making the humor more natural. The second movie had too many forced comic situations (the gay misunderstanding at the video store, the rat sex scene, and Marcus's ecstasy mishap).

4. The theme music and soundtrack was a lot better in the first movie. How many times can you hear "Shake Ya Tailfeather"?



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