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"Imagine if Christopher Columbus..."


"... had come back from the New World, and no one returned in his footsteps."

That would have been great, considering the mass genocide committed in the Americas.

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by Chapaev36 » Fri Feb 12 2016 . . .". . .had come back from the New World, and no one returned in his footsteps."
Well, technically to answer the first part of your post there were 'Columbus(es)' who made it to New World, returned to their homeland never to return again. It is claimed that the Vikings were the first to make it to New World 300 years before Christopher Columbus. But were they "Discoverers"-"Explorers"? Absolutely not. A discovery whether it be scientific or in the case of an Explorer, land, must meet several requirements. First, the object of the discovery must be recognized as being something new. New land, medicine or scientific advancement all meet this requirement. Second, the discovery must be communicated to the world at large. And third, the discovery must be replicated or in this case others had to return in the 'footsteps' of Christopher Columbus. If the Vikings had indeed made it to the New World prior to Christopher Columbus their voyage did not meet the criteria of a true discovery.

In answer to your last comment about what would've taken place if Christopher Columbus had not returned. . . You would have a population living a subsistence level existence just a few clicks above the Stone Age. Continuing to believe in the whim view of existence and engaging in human sacrifice. Oh... and fighting wars among themselves.

And this is coming from someone who has in part Native American blood coursing through his veins.


" Made It Ma... Top - O' - The - World! "

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They came for the spices, but stayed for the slaves and child rape.

"They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane… . They would make fine servants…. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want."
--Christopher Columbus

"A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand." --Christopher Columbus

Bartolome de las Casas, the priest who accompanied Columbus on his conquest of Cuba, detailed the abuse and murder of the native population:

"Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives…. But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destroy…

And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers’ breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them head first against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim’s feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim’s neck, saying, “Go now, carry the message,” meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them…."

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Are you Russian, by any chance? Teach us about mass genocide and other pleonastic stuff.

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Are you suggesting that a person's nationality should prevent them from objecting to genocide?

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Don't forget the mass genocide committed by the Americas!

24/04/1916

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That would have been great, considering the mass genocide committed in the Americas.


Does anyone seriously believe that entire continent of North America would be populated by a few hundred thousand stone age nordic tribesmen to this day? The U.S. probably sits on the very best piece of real estate on the entire planet.

If not Columbus, then somebody would have followed shortly after and the genocide would still have happened.

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There was no mass genocide.

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