I'm sure like everything else this has been discussed but..
The whole notion of the Species is ludicrous. Why would a species that lives alone in its universe develop such lethal weaponry? The don't seem to have internecine conflicts.
Even more ridiculous is the notion of them having warp drive or any FTL. In a fluidic space you could never achieve FTL speeds as the medium would never allow one to get anywhere near that speed.
But it was the first "true" non-bipedal alien and use of CGI on a trek show.
shareTholians? Not CGI but very distinctively non-bipedal.
Species 8472 never made much sense. The events of "in the flesh" completely ruined them anyway.
Yes they did ruin it.
shareMost super advanced hostile species like the Borg were ruined when they kept using them in later eps. The Borg would have been awesome as a one off in the Q episode.
shareWhile but CGI, the Horta were non bipedal.
shareIt's never stated they were ALWAYS the only thing in Fluidic Space. Possibly they killed everything else there.
And we don't know what type of FTL they use, they come from a different universe where our laws of physics don't apply.
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The implication from Kes was certainly that they were alone and had never encountered others before, but I suppose it's possible.
No FTL should work in a fluidic space. Even sub light speeds should be snails pace.
We can't apply our Laws of Physics to Cthulu wannabes from another Universe.
After all, The Original Trek and other sci-fi like Star Wars get away with "Look, aliens just do their alien thing and tech just does whatever the plot says it does. Don't question it and just watch." without any complaints.
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"No FTL should work in a fluidic space. Even sub light speeds should be snails pace."
It might not be cannon but in the second Star Trek Armada game you go into Fluidic space and they can't use their warpdrive while in that space.
No FTL should work in a fluidic space.Why not? You're just making assumptions based on what you know of traditional physics, with traditional vehicles travelling through a traditional medium. Warp Drive is not based on speed through the vacuum of space. Although it is often expressed like that just to make it easier to understand. Warp drive is based on warping space through a subspace medium.
Warp Drive is not based on speed through the vacuum of space. Although it is often expressed like that just to make it easier to understand. Warp drive is based on
True writers were often inconsistent in their depiction of warp speed not to mention other fictional devices. The stars streaking past the ship was always a stupid idea.
shareWhy would a species that lives alone in its universe develop such lethal weaponry?As we learn, that species is super resistant even against Borg Assimilation. That doesnt hint at a peaceful environment.
The don't seem to have internecine conflicts.Err ... so what we dont see never happends ? Very unlikely.
Even more ridiculous is the notion of them having warp drive or any FTL. In a fluidic space you could never achieve FTL speeds as the medium would never allow one to get anywhere near that speed.Meh. Neither does ordinary space allow FTL ... as far as we know.
"Even more ridiculous is the notion of them having warp drive or any FTL. In a fluidic space you could never achieve FTL speeds as the medium would never allow one to get anywhere near that speed."
I don't think that is necessarily true. Skipping the issue of FTL/warp capabilities (can't do it in normal space, so who know's how it would work in fluidic space?) , even if fluidic space operated (mostly) on the same physics as our own universe travel into outerspace at sublight speeds would probably be much easier (rather than more difficult) than doing so in the void of space. It would all depend upon the qualities of the "fluid". I think the word "fluidic" misleads people into visualizing 6472 swimming about in a deep ocean. But an atmosphere is also a fluid too. Perhaps fluidic space merely has an atmosphere everywhere -- even in their deepest parts of space. Given the fact that they are a legged and presumably "breathing" creature (rather than a finned and gilled one) this might indicate fluidic space to be more "atmospheric" than "oceanic".
Moreover, if fluidic space is supercooled (as it likely would be in the deeper parts of "space") it could also become a "superfluid" (which is a frictionless fluid), which would eliminate all the limitations aircraft have here on Earth due to friction with air at high speeds. This would likely mean a regular aircraft would work much like space-faring vessel traversing a void does. If our atmosphere were a superfluid, for example, a jet plane would turn off its engines once cruising altitude were achieved, much like a satellite in orbit does, because there would be no atmospheric friction to slow it down (only gravity). Moreover, planes and jets would easily achieve the speeds of space craft -- 10,000's mph.
Also, regular space travel needs both a propellant and a fuel (modern rockets combine these two things into the fuel-propellant they use). An airplane, however, only needs fuel to run its jet, using the atmosphere outside as the propellant. This means conventional spacecraft have to carry an inordinate amount of "stuff" with it into the near-void of space to throw out the back of it to make it move forward. In a super-fluidic space (even one as thin as the atmosphere on Earth), one would only need a fuel to run the engine. Which means a simple propeller or jet engine would suffice for any kind of space travel. This means "space-faring" ships in a super-fluidic space could be fairly tiny in size and thus be that much easier to accelerate to near-light speeds.
...anyway, enough of me babbling. It's actually a pretty interesting discussion point you raised here. Anyone else?
You may think species 8472 ruined voyager, but all these years (15) since it ended I can still remember 8472 and even brought it up in conversation a few years ago with someone who watched voyager sporadically but couldn't remember the numbers.
I have all 7 seasons on DVD, in the loft and have recently DVR'd them and am feeling quite nostalgic / sentimental watching them over again & am seriously considering searching the loft for the DVD's & starting all over again.
"Life forms, You tiny little life forms, You precious little life forms, Where are you?"
Species 8472
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by bbnj62
ยป Sun Jun 21 2015 11:58:01
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I'm sure like everything else this has been discussed but..
The whole notion of the Species is ludicrous. Why would a species that lives alone in its universe develop such lethal weaponry? The don't seem to have internecine conflicts.
Even more ridiculous is the notion of them having warp drive or any FTL. In a fluidic space you could never achieve FTL speeds as the medium would never allow one to get anywhere near that speed.