MovieChat Forums > Wyatt Earp (1994) Discussion > The Gunfight at the OK Corral...

The Gunfight at the OK Corral...


Friends,

Shortly before "Tombstone" opened, I saw a documentary on PBS about the most famous gunfight of the old west. I can't remember if it was a stand-alone documentary, or if it was an episode of "NOVA" or something else, but I do remember thinking when I saw "Tombstone" that their version was almost exactly the same as the version I saw re-created on that PBS show.
The version in "Wyatt Earp" on the other hand... was not as accurate. I'd call it about half there. The "Tombstone" version... was about 95%. Just for the record.

CKB

reply

History (according to a lot of things i've read): Doc fires shotgun once, drops it, uses his pistol for the remainder of the fight, Doc gets shot.

Wyatt Earp: Doc fires shotgun once, tosses it, uses his pistol, gets shot.

Tombstone: Doc fires shotgun three times (how he managed to fire three times from a two shot gun i have no idea) drops it, draws both his pistols and fires about ten to twelve rounds out of each of them (how that's possible with a gun that only holds six shots, i also have no idea) Doc does not get shot.

reply

Following historical records, including court testimony, the "Wyatt Earp" street fight was the most accurate. One round did strike Holliday's pistol holster which only left him bruised.

reply

Exactly, stefan!

reply

The Gunfight in TS has Doc Firing too many shots and shows Ike fire from fly's (though Wyatt stated that he thought they were getting shot at from behind) and Doc doesn't get grazed

Beyond that The Gunfight scene in Tombstone is a thousand times more accurate than the mess in Wyatt Earp.

the Right people shoot the right people. The right dialogue is attributed to the right people.

The fight favors the transcripts from the inquest testimony of the Earps which is applicable and not the ridiculousness that ike stated in his examination.

reply

The gunfight only last about thirty seconds and Doc Holliday didn't run around firing pistols with both hands like he did in "Tombstone". Also in "Tombstone", they have Ike Clanton firing from inside Fly's Boarding House (the adjacent building) and this did not happen.

reply

It seems possible that Ike did shoot at Wyatt and the guys, though there is no absolute on this. There were reports/claims that a shot was fired from behind them, and the logical jump would have been Ike who had just fled that direction. It could have also been Wes Fuller or even Billy Allen, though I believe Allen was a block or two away talking with a woman. Of course that could have been a cover-story if he was the one who fired a shot from behind.

But anyway, the movie chose to address this and that's why Ike is shooting from the window in the movie.

reply

Actually, I think Wes Fuller may have been standing with Behan and not able to have fired any shots. Although, if I remember correctly Behan pushed him inside of Fly's which would have possibly made available to be a shooter from behind.

reply

I definitely think the "Wyatt Earp" gunfight is much better. Whether or not it's true to what happened, it feels more realistic and invigorating. The one in "Tombstone" gets old after a couple of watches.

reply

I've seen several documentaries and read many books on the the gunfight at the O.K. Corral. I've also read Wyatt Earp's personal account of the gunfight. The gunfight in Wyatt Earp is historically accurate. The gunfight in Tombstone is a fictional Hollywood farce.

Wyatt Earp, 10 stars.
Tombstone, 1 star.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

reply

Well said dude, I can't stand these Tombstone IDIOTS

reply

Well thats weird, because I, also, have seen several documentaries and read many books on the gunfight at the ok corral. I, too, have also read Wyatt Earps personal account of the gunfight. The gunfight in Wyatt Earp is not historically accurate, I find IT to be a fictional farce (as well as much of the rest of the movie). So how did we come to different conclusions when we both have comparable backgrounds?

It's a peculiar thing.







"I am on intimate terms with the desert..."

Anyone know the reference?

reply

You've got it backwards. Nowhere in Wyatt Earp's telling of the story, or any other account, does it show shooting through a window at Ike Clanton. Ridiculous. They show that in Tombstone, but not in Wyatt Earp. Nowhere does anybody report that Doc Holliday shot multiple times at the cowboys. Never happened. They show that in Tombstone, but not in Wyatt Earp. Ike Clanton wasn't armed. He ran away from the gunfight. But in Tombstone they show him shooting at the Earps. They show what really happened in Wyatt Earp. Not so in Tombstone. Tombstone is full of fictional things that never happened. Wyatt Earp is an historically accurate and great film. Tombstone is a Hollywood farce.

Wyatt Earp. 10.
Tombstone. 1.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

reply

Dude, don't pay any attention to that hipguy, he's a MORON and TROLL who likes to spend his Saturday nights blowing Johns in seedy alleyways to support his crack habit. The guy is a TOOL who knows nothing about the the life of Wyatt and is just another Tombstone DIPCHIT

reply

Thanks, bro. You and I know the real Wyatt. He was a hero and a great man. And Wyatt Earp is a great movie!

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

reply

Let's not get Corky involved here. It could actually be a beneficial discussion without him. Too much bluster, and not enough quality defense for his statements.






"I am on intimate terms with the desert..."

Anyone know the reference?

reply

All sarcasm aside, I think they come out about even. First off, regarding the shots from Doc with the shotgun. The first shot to clear the horse is a longstanding theory not invented by the movie, so it should be left as neither accurate nor inaccurate, but rather as a legit exploration of a plausible theory. As for the 3rd shot, some have claimed it was the director replaying the previous shot for the sake of using extra angles, as well as extending the scene. I personally feel like it looks like a poorly included 3rd shot, but people can take from it what they will. If you feel it ruins the fight, that's fair, but if someone else feels it gives them another look at the same shot, I think that's fair, too.

As for Ike shooting at them from behind, I think it's great that Tombstone explored this. There were claims that someone might have been shooting from behind the Earps. This could have been one of the cowboys, or it could have been a ricochet, or even an echo reverberating in some strange way, given the extremely close quarters. Ike scampered off, Billy Allen was supposed to be meeting the cowboys at the corral, and Wes Fuller was there with Behan when Behan claims to have shoved Fuller into Fly's. Any of these create a reliable set-up for someone to take a shot from behind.

Doc took several shots at the cowboys, so it's just wrong to say that he didn't take multiple shots. The reports of a nickel-plated pistol firing at the cowboys are all attributed to Doc, knowing that that was what he carried. However, if you are referring to him turning around and engaging in an all out battle with Fly's boarding house, then I agree and think you should have led with this. This is the one thing that I think gives Wyatt Earp the best edge over Tombstone. If it's true that there was a shot fired from behind, that's great that they played on that. But Wyatt and Doc firing rapidly into Fly's while Ike flails about really is Tombstone's weakest moment in the fight.

One thin I really like about Wyatt Earp is the walk-down. I didn't like Wyatt sitting inside casually drinking his coffee beforehand; I think the edge goes to Tombstone here because of all the activity happening on the streets beforehand. But the walk-down just looks a little more right to me Wyatt Earp. They're both good, but WE I think has a slight edge.

Now post fight I think Tombstone has the edge. Behan pulling out his gun and sticking it in Wyatt's face is not quite as egregious as Doc launching a fusillade into Fly's, but almost. Tombstone has Behan simply addressing Wyatt, and Wyatt dismissing him; sans gun-in-face. The reason why I think this is just about as big a deal is because even though it's many extra gunshots versus a single gun being pointed in someone's face, if Behan had actually done that I think it would have completely changed the minutes of that day. Sticking a gun in Wyatt's face is no casual thing like they did it in Wyatt Earp.

This is why I think they come out about even.
Walk-downs are about even, and both are done really well.
Gunfights are about even, except for the silly Fly's issue. (Not that there was a shooting, but so much of it).
Post fight is superior in Tombstone.

I can't imagine a fan of the Wyatt Earp story thinking one is amazing and the other worthless.





"I am on intimate terms with the desert..."

Anyone know the reference?

reply

[deleted]