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Can somebody please explain the ending to me .... ? :-)


I liked "Red" (although I enjoyed "Blue" and "White" a little more), but I don't really understand the ending.

The sinking of the ferry comes all of a sudden, and the surviving of just 7 people (including all the main characters from the other films) doesn't make sense to me. I mean, to me it isn't a real ending: the story just suddenly stops, that's all.

And the final picture of Valentine (being the same as the huge advertising poster) is really a nice effect, but does it have any deeper meaning? I don't really get this, anyway ....

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The main characters we were following all shared the same fate; they survived the ferry disaster. This is a revelation of its own. The reason Kieslowski shows us this reinforces why we were being shown their lives. The parallel image of the model is just a great shot. Lasting art and finite flesh merging. I don't know. I might be talking out of my butt. Love the movies though, especially RED!!!

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Yes, okay, but still I have the feeling that the story of "Red" is somehow unfinished ....

Concerning the final shot, I had the following idea: it might mean that a single picture for itself doesn't say very much and that it's all a matter of context and a question of perspective.

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The implication is that Valentine and August meet because of the accident (even though they frequently passed by each other, but never knew of the other, in Geneva) and fall in love, just like the story that the judge told Valentine of what had happened to him years earlier when he was a young law student, but their love will be a true long-lasting love. There is supposed to be a great affection between Valentine and the judge, and his and her lives are supposed to be, to some extent, mirrors of the other's.

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That sounds interesting, but how are we told that Valentine and Auguste even get to know each other after the sinking of the ship? Did I miss something there .... ?

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I'm afraid this doesn't make much sense, because we don't get told how and why the people from "Blue" and "White" get on the ship. So we definmitely are NOT "being shown how fate brought these 7 people together for that fateful day". This is only true for Valentine and Auguste from "Red" ....

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Okay, explain to me how Dominique is on the ferry. Karol Karol is a business man, and she has nothing to do with him, and he fakes his death, and frames her for murder. So why are they there together? the sequencing doesn't make sense to me.

Okay, I like the cinematography, I enjoyed the sadness of bleu and how generous she was, how he was a blank soul in blanc, only out for revenge, but overall the drawing in of the films sort of made me feel that there was too much emphasis on symbolism rather than....reality.

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Concerning "White", the ending implies that he is trying to get her out of jail, and that Karol and Dominique are going to marry again (see http://amazon.imdb.com/title/tt0111507/board/nest/6382332 ). But that still doesn't explain how they got on the ferry ....

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I saw the films in the theater years ago, and was always trying to figure out Blanc. I just got them all from netflix, so I could watch them in a row. I didn't watch any of the commentary, I wanted to try to decipher it myself. When I saw the tears in his eyes at the end, I figured he'd forgive her, but I just assumed she was going to be executed for his murder. Now reading these comments and others, I realize he relented and it appears he took her back.

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However, the fact that Karol and Dominique appear on the ferry also implies that they married again. But still, we don't know, *how* they did get on the ferry ....

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do we know why Julie and Oliver get on it, either?

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No, we don't. I already said that above ....

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sorry, I'll read them all before replying next time. Thanks for your input!

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No problem. :-)

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I think it is really interesting that Dominque's last name that the TV anounces is not Karol, meaning that they are not remarried, I think this movie is supossed to be a few months after the others, I'm surprised they aren't remarried. Some would theorize that Karol only imagined seeing Dominque through the jail cell window with his glasses since any common sense would tell you that you'd never be able to see that clearly with those field glasses. I don't necessarily agree......
I do think that the idea of intertwined fates is the most important idea to gather from the final tragedy and I do think that Valentine and Auguste will wind up together, call me an optomist.

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Karol is officially dead in Poland, and it would be illegal for him to reveal that he faked his death, however, if he married Dominique and lived in France they could both in theory live happily ever after. Maybe they were on the ferry on their way to France after Dominique either served her time or was released from jail.

BTW... If you think someone thinks to much on these message boards, you really don't need 2 be reading them.

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Well the refer to him as Karol, and refer to dominique as his finacé

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You think to much , in fact the producer was of the opinion that the shot would cost less using actors on hand.

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Mmmh .... "Blue", "White" and "Red" were not shot all in a row. This is *not* Lord of the Rings .... :-)

Seriously: if it didn't matter who survived the ship catastrophe, it would have been much cheaper to take no actors at all (but extras).

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Actually they were all shot in a row! Kieslowski worked on all three films simultaneously, filming in the day and editing the previous films through the night...

Regarding the ending... I've just finished watching the trilogy, and it may be too soon to draw any conclusions - but it seems to me, unimportant 'how' any of the characters ended up on the same ferry. Chances are that it could have been any seven people, but the whole point is that it wasn't... All three films begin with the same predefined fate, we simply don't realise it. I think it helps to think of the characters as symbols, rather than flesh and blood...

It may be chance that brings these particular people together, but it's the ideas/emotions that they personify that are important here, and ultimately their union.

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you are missing THE ENTIRE POINT. a child would understand, intuitively. why do you need everything explained? do you really think everything can be explained? why did you bother watching the films at all? why don't you go read an encyclopedia? maybe it would give you some closure.

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My sentiments exactly. Who cares how they all got on the ferry. It's the fact that they were on it that's important.

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Amen. For all I care there could be a whole elaborate set of circumstances leading to them being on the ferry or they could all just be going to visit England, its insignificant.

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Thank you jamie4444 - someone who finally speaks some sense. To everyone, just accept the end for what it is and consider the implications.....

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I do not believe that Kieslowski was the type of director that did things without meaning behind them, it is certainly not by chance that these 7 survived, he wouldn't have spent so much time going over their names and info at the end otherwise.

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artistic completion??? the films are meant to be part of a trilogy, the boat is really unimportant or why they are there its just simply for a sense of finality

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That sounds interesting, but how are we told that Valentine and Auguste even get to know each other after the sinking of the ship? Did I miss something there .... ?

We don't know. In Kieslowski's movies the metaphysical is implied and suggestive. Valentine and Auguste look at each other after they emerge from the rescue ship...they made a connection either during the catastrophe or right in this particular moment...life is a series of coincidences that affect our destiny. I'd recommend you watch his early masterpiece "Blind Chance" which has a great construction and a raw quality.

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The reason Kieslowski shows us this reinforces why we were being shown their lives.

Interesting way of looking at it.

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I saw in the DVD special features, a film professor talking about how one couple from each film was saved, like a "noah's arc", which gives hope about the future of these characters, and as these characters are a metaphor to mankind, this means that it gives hope to ourselves and our own future

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I just finished the trilogy last night, culminating of course with Rouge.

to me, it doesnt really matter how they got on the ferry. Its not really the point. The point is to show that they all have destiny's which are somehow linked. There are tiny hints to this along the way. Like when Julie enters the court room in blue, which happens to be the divorce hearing for Karol and Dominique. Then there is the very start of rouge, where one of the characters says that they got stuck in Poland and were given a place to sleep by a polish businessman. This is of course Karol. I think the Character was Michel, on the phone to Valentine. And then there is the old lady trying to put the bottle in the bin. This happens in all 3 films. Im not entirely sure what it means, but i think it serves to show that the same thing can happen at the same time in 3 different places. the idea that people from different situations and places can be thinking the same thing is a recurring theme in Kieslowski's work. It all relates to destiny.

I thought it was quite obvious that Valentine and Auguste would fall in love. It is there destiny, and the Judge basically told Julie as much. the judge is mirrored in Auguste, and the fact that the Judge met his true love on trip to England only affirms the destiny of valentine and Auguste.

Its true that Kieslowski hasnt given us a concret ending to Rouge itself, but more a philosophical ending to the trilogy instead. Kieslowski expects us to piece together all we have learnt from the 3 films and determine our own ending.

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I watched this fantastic film again last night, but I'm surprised to see that no-one here seems to get it! The old judge and the young judge are the same person. The old judge's past is the young woman's future - he knows that the ferry crash is about to take place. Think of the scene where he takes the ferry tickets from her, and examines them. Yes, it's peculiarly sci-fi, but it works brilliantly.

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I agree, actually, I think Auguste is in the ferry because he is following his ex-girlfriend and her lover that are in the yacht, like the old judge told Valentine he did: "J'ai croissé la France et La Manche pour les poursuivre". Both found their girlfriends "avec les jambes écartés et un homme au milieu". Both girlfriends were blonde and two years older. The old judge's life and the young judge seem to be the same but obviously they are not the same person, that would be different and it wouldn't make any sense. Besides, the judge condemns Hugo Hobling for his responsability in the sunk of a boat and when he saw the tickets his face means something. THere is a song in the Rouge soundtrack both in Polish and in French that says: "Tout commencement n'est qu'une suite" (every beggining is nothing but a continuation) and I think perfectly describes the love story that will have Auguste and Valentine.

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Wow guys stop.....The ending of Red is as simple as it gets ,If you don't understand the movie ,don't watch it again ....it won't help you at all
Flux 17 is so right....go educate yourselfs or whatever...

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The director definitely does not show how the characters of Blue and White got on the ferry. I dont believe he had to either. Whats important is not how they got on the ferry. Whats important is too show that theyre lives are linked in many ways that they had absolutely no idea of. I like to think of these films as a portrayal of life itself. I like to believe that the many times the characters intersected eachothers stories meant something. You might pass somebody in the street everyday of your life and never realize that that person will be your best friend/husband/wife someday. Maybe after the ferry accident they all become good friends. Who knows, but it defintiely is possible. Im only 18 but I'm sure people who have been married for long periods of time sometimes wonder if theyve ever met their soulmate before that actually *met*. You know what I mean?.... Maybe not.

It defitinitely would have been nice if the director had the characters of Blue and White mention a ferry ride or something.

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The ferry disaster may be at the end of Red but it may not be at the end of the trilogy per se. The three stories all intersect at the ferry disaster but they may be at different points in their narrative. That is, the ferry ride could be at the point before Dominique and Karol even married (perhaps they are going to England together, he as her stylist and they get together after that). For the characters from Blue maybe they are away together either before or after the death of the composer husband/friend. I think that instead of looking at the trilogy as purely linear from Blue to White to Red, all 3 stories in fact take place over much longer periods of time rather than concurrently.

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I think velutha may be right about the time lines not necessarily being linear.

However in the television reportage of the ferry accident Karol Karol is described as a businessman, but he only went into business during the Polish segment of White - before that time, when he married (first married?) Dominique, he was a hairdresser and would probably have been described as such. (Not that you should believe everything you see on TV I should add ;-) )

Julie is clearly named as the widow of the deceased composer (his death is referred to as having occurred the previous year) and so the accident was definitely after the events shown in Blue.

I think that the implication is that somehow Karol must have secured Dominique's release (he adopted a new name and identity after his faked death). Perhaps he resurfaced, maybe with some story of having lost his memory, greased a few palms - - - we can only speculate. (The person who commentates that maybe Dominique was hanged for his murder may be forgetting that the death penalty had been suspended there largely as a result of the outcry that followed Kieslowski's A Short Film About Killing).

In an earlier comment in this thread someone says that the judge maybe foresaw the ferry sinking, and that this is betrayed on his face when he looks at Valentiné's ticket. But I think the explanation for this is really much simpler: he manipulates events so that Auguste is on that same sailing, believing that he and Valentiné can create a happiness together that he was never able to.

Anyway, whatever, the "truth" of all this is it looks like we're all pretty much agreed that the Three Colours are all outstanding films, albeit maybe that White is the weakest of the 3.

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That can't be because we see Karol stuck in the phone booth at the beginning of "Red."

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"That can't be because we see Karol stuck in the phone booth at the beginning of "Red.""

I didn't notice that, however I understood "Red" to take place over a long period, probably over a year...The one long conversation with the judge represented for me many conversations over time that strengthened the relationship, so it could be possible that it takes place after the end of White, however, I don't think timeline matters here.

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The young judge's story was obviously there to mirror the old judge's story, and it comes together in the end when the young judge is seen next to Valentine, and, as we can presume, meets the right woman - meets Valentine, like the old judge says he never did. Whether the young judge is literally the old judge through some kind of science-fiction is up for debate, I don't think it's that literal, but it's interesting that the old judge suggested Valentine take the ferry, almost like he pushed her towards the encounter with Auguste. I think the beauty of the ending is that it's so ambiguous - there is no single answer.

As for the other characters being on the boat, I agree with the people who say it doesn't matter why they're there; there's something great about the fact that they are there. And of course that Karol and Dominique are back together is a revelation unto itself.


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The Red film is about Fraternity (Brotherhood). When the 3 couples are finally united together by narrowly escaping death, both with each other and also as a group after their individual struggles. The way Kieslowski does it is brilliant by using the real life ferry disaster. The image of the poster is also very moving because it foreshadowed Valentines future after the young lawyer sees her from his car, as did the dream description. Everything in the 3 films was building up to this one moment when they were rescued from their ordeal and the couples managed to unite.

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This is just a minor note...but taking a ferry between England and France is not such a big deal...so therefore that would be another point to the fact that it does not really matter how the other couples got on the ferry...

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Exactly athleteshi.

We should just use our imaginations. I think that is the point that is being made.
If people have to dissect every little part of a movie esp this type then you really shouldn't be watching it.

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I agree about the two judges being the same person. I thought the ending was him making the decision that despite being hurt by love he was going to move on with life and meet someone else and it wouldn't end badly.
Also on the double photo shot -and I could be wrong here I only just saw the movie last night. Wasn't the banner at the same intersection where Auguste dropped his book and Valentine ran over the judge's dog? So the events at the start and the end of the movie can be seen as kind of an intersection of time.

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Red is about love at first sight. The judge told Valentine something 'I had a beautiful dream... you were very happy with a man by your side'

And as the end clearly states Valentine and August fall in love and they aren't very different since both were cheated by their boy/girlfriend

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Yes but the judge has the dream because he is August and he has changed his future. The future that he now has is the future he has made with Valentine. The judge suggests that Valentine catch the boat because he knows that he will be on it stalking his ex girlfriend who works on the weather line.

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Just because the same things that happened to the judge happened to Auguste doesn't necesarilly means they're the same person.

The judge suggested the boat because Valentine said something about planes.

But on the other hand you may be right I give you the benefit of doubt and unless Piescesky reveals what really happened in Red we will never know for sure

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Personally I thought the ending was the old Judge's dream. He is dreaming he is a young man who meets Valentine. The other couples are there because we are learning that White and Blue were also just the Judge dreaming about these couples. Remember his life now is fixated with spying upon other people. Perhaps he read the story of Julie in Blue, and remembers Dominique in White from her court appearance, and just made up the stories about them in his previous dreams. So in Red, he is now combining all his three colour dreams into one final fantasy ending. This would make sense because his pessimism of life in France is mirrored in the critique of liberty, equality, and fraternity we see in the films.

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Judge says to Valentine that "you are the women i have never met"..and the same case too happening to the younger Judge..he was after a cheating lover of him, does not notices his apt pair (Valentine) staying next to his appartment

Meanwhile Valentine too had a doubty lover who replies "i think so" to the question when Valentine asks him "do you love me"..

Keislovski in my opinion is dealing with the matching couples (exact and apt pair). This is an amazingly optimistic movie, which conveys there somewhere an exact match is waiting for all of us...which we does not usually notices or sees..and finally ending up in a shaky relationship...

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These films are about French ideals: Bleu (Liberty), Blanc (Equality) and Rouge (Fraternity). And these people that survive are from different places: Julie, Olivier and Dominic are French; Karol Karol is Polish; Valentine and the young Judge are swiss; and the bar man we don't see is English; this means The European Union.

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I thought the end was optimistic because the judge had decided to change his life. Instead of being old and alone he made the choice to love again and that the judges younger self would be happy with Valentine.

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I believe Kieslowski had a deeper meaning with that last scene as well. I think he wanted to show that as long as we stay true to the meaning of those ideals (Liberty, Equality and Fraternity) mankind will eventually persevere the troubles that besets her..

In the ending scene we have representatives of all those ideals, who have just lived through many personal troubles and finally a great catastrophe in which they were the only survivors. If this were an american Hollywood-film then we would have seen a faded Star-spangled banner wavering in huge proportions during that last scene, however, Kieslowski does about the same thing but in a more subtle way. He shows the colours of the French flag joined together through the personas of the characters instead.

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i haven't seen "blue" but i've seen "red" and "white", and i think they may have been on that ferry in the beginning. maybe they all met up in there and the stories we saw in the trilogy were the after events..

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All of the films were themed around the meaning behind the colors of the French flag. Blue was about freedom. The main character in that film is freed of human connections at the beginning of the film, and eventually realizes that she doesn't want to be free of them. The theme of White is equality. Karol spends the entire film attempting to reach "equality" with his ex-wife via revenge. At the end of the film they are both equal. The theme of Red is "fraternity" or "brotherhood." The main characters form a brotherhood by spying on their brothers. Also, in a twist of fate, the main characters from all three films are united by an event, making them a "brotherhood." The film also implies that like the other films, the two main characters will wind up as a couple

The only thing I don't understand is that Karol is legally dead at the end of White, so how was he identified as such on tv? We know that the events of the film Rouge have to take place after the other two since the main characters in Red weren't a couple until after the events in that film.

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i think that the red film takes place a while after the other two and presume that all the problems between Karol and dominique are solved,so is not really important how they get to the ferry because, imo, that is a kind of explanation of why Kieslowsky told us about them, a way to connect them, and such a tragedy, that could be seen as hand of god or destiny (as i prefer) is really the best way to describe that. (sorry for my english :) )

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At the end of the "Red", Julie (the woman from the "Blue") is mentioned as a widow who lost her husband last year. So, the "Red" story happens a year after the "Blue" story. But, Julie appears at Karol's trial a few days after the death of her husbant. So, the "White" story had happened before the sinking of the ship and Karol is with Dominik (don't know if they are married). I want to explain that the "Red" film has to be watched after the others...

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All stories have to stop somewhere, and I consider it more honest when a storyteller does that rather than painting a "happy ending". Life goes on, it isn't fundamentally transformed, but the story does tell us about events that changed the characters. Here, Valentine and August have a near death experience - the miraculous survival of a disaster. That isn't climactic enough for you. The other point is that obviously they are thrown together, and if the judge's dream is actually a prophecy, then he is the one with whom she will wake up happy when she is older. Valentine may be a woman who has all sorts of things going for her, but spiritually she is in a rut. She even says to the judge that she feels that important things are happening to her. She meets the judge and is deeply impressed by the experience of getting to know him, she obviously realizes her boyfriend is an abusive creep, and she is thrown together with August. Seems like a pretty clear resolution to me.

About the poster, to me it just fits in with the theme running through the film that people's fate is hinted at in so many ways before it happens. I'm not endorsing that view, but I think that is what he was getting at. She is a model who is told to strike a tragic pose (I believe the photographer was telling her to think of something terrible happening), and in her life that pose becomes a reality - life imitating art.

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