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Andy took a hell of a chance walking into all the Portland banks


In the movie it is stated that Andy had risen to vice president of a major Portland bank at a very young age.

We also know because of the circumstances of the murder, Andy and his wife were members of a major golf and country club in the area, so they had been fairly prominent in Portland society. We also know the trial had been widely publicized for at least a few weeks, with Andy's mug shot plastered over every paper.

Now 19 years is a pretty long time, but it is not forever. Also, banking, especially in the 40s-50s-60s, is a profession in which major management types tend to stay quite a long time. It would have undoubtedly have been a major item of gossip among the Portland banking community, "did you hear about the whiz kid Andy Dufresne that Portland First National just appointed VP?"

So Andy was taking one hell of a chance walking into all these banks as Randall Stevens -- that he wouldn't run into some senior bank VP who had been a teller or some kind of flunky when he got sent away in 1947 who would say, "holy hell, that's the wife murderer Dufresne!"


Not to mention also that Andy Dufresne aka Tim Robbins had quite a distinctive appearance -- 6-5 was toweringly tall for the 40s-60s. In the novella Andy was medium height and "slight."



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Yes, he did take a big chance, but Andy never was one to shy away from risks. Like when he almost got thrown off the roof when he asked the murderous guard "Do you trust your wife?"

And, as we know by watching the movie his risks usually paid off, as did his successful escape to Mexico. Andy became my hero after that!! 

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Today of course there would be video footage from every bank and Andy would get nailed within about 30 seconds.

Even in 1967, the state cops would have put out an APB on Andy about 10 AM, as soon as it was clear he had escaped. It would have been huge news in and around the Portland area that the double murderer banker had escaped.

So probably within a day or so, somebody at ONE of the Portland banks would say, "hey, I saw that guy in here yesterday."

Although I suppose Norton might have just sat on the news of Andy's escape, hoping against hope that Dufresne would have been content to just get out, and once he was out he would get the hell away from Shawshank and Maine as fast as possible.






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After 19 years, I doubt any of them remembered what he looked like.

And if banks open by 8am, by the time the APB went out at 10am, Andy's had around two hours to safely do as he pleases.

Let's be bad guys.

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Andy went to a dozen banks, withdrew the entire balance in each of them, and had cashiers checks issued. This would have taken the better part of an entire day, and in particular in the 60s, 'bankers hours' was a real thing, and NO bank opened at 8am.

Even into the 60s, bankers hours were generally 10am - 3pm. It would have been very tough for Andy to transact all that business at a dozen banks spread throughout the area, in a single banking day.





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5 hours. 30-40 minutes per bank. That's about 10 banks in one day. Not too bad. But did they say it was all in one day?

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No I don't believe the movie addressed how long all of the withdrawals took...but you implied he could have transacted all of that business before news of his escape hit the wire.

Either way, the original premise is true...him going into a bank, or banks, was risky.



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Oh, no, I implied he had some time to work before any real news of his escape spread, not that he got it all done.

Yes, it was risky. So was tunneling through his cell for almost 20 years. Andy takes calculated risks.

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And maybe Andy would be on the lookout for increased police activity in the centre of Portland as he made his way round the banks-and curtailed his activities if he thought it risky.

But I do agree that even after 19 years he was taking a certain amount of a risk-there must have been a chance that people that reported to him at his bank before he was arrested would still be working in the local banking industry. If your oh so respectable & straight laced boss went to prison for double murder it(& he!) would stick in your mind.

And there would be the risk of off duty Shawshank guards seeing him-they wouldn't all be on duty at once! Since he had helped just about all of them with there tax returns they'd be sure to recognise him.

Obviously for the purposes of the film it did work out for him, but I'm sure there would be a real risk. We just need to remember that the calm self control that kept him quiet on his first night would also have helped him on that day.

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Maybe he held on to most of the checks until he reached Fort Hancock-and then cashed them at several different establishments.

You would have to allow several days for him to travel in his nice new car, stopping off at a number of anonymous motels that didn't give a damn who stayed there-especially if they just turned up, paid cash & left without causing any trouble.

I'd question just how easy it would be to inform every bank in every hick town from Maine to Texas to be on the lookout for him, especially if the warden didn't stick around to spill the beans about the ID he'd likely be using!

The biggest priority would be given to informing people in Maine & wider New England & concentrating resources there. As long as Randall Stevens(as he was by then)kept himself out of trouble & stuck to the speed limits he would be ok.

As nobody was aware of Andy/Randall being in possession of such large amounts of cash, or cashiers checks, barring any car accidents, or utterly unavoidable incidents befalling him, he'd be fine. His cool & icy demeanour might not have helped him court, but it sure as heck helped him on his first night & during his escape.

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Andy would have had to cash those checks he received fairly quick, too.


Why?


...such huge amounts would have raised alarms after Andy's image was all over the news.


Unrelated. There were two big news stories that week: an escaped double murderer and extensive corruption at Shawshank that led to several arrests and a suicide. We have the escaped prisoner Andy Dufresne, and we have the local businessman Randall Stevens who had been doing business with local banks for years.

In the 1960s, it might have taken a day or so for any picture to be published in a newspaper if ever (remember, it was all done by hand, no importing and 'shopping digital images). Any picture they had would have been of the thirty something Dufresne, not a mature man 20 years older.

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Unrelated. There were two big news stories that week: an escaped double murderer and extensive corruption at Shawshank that led to several arrests and a suicide. We have the escaped prisoner Andy Dufresne, and we have the local businessman Randall Stevens who had been doing business with local banks for years.


He posted the evidence from one of the banks, to go out with their own mail. It would have reached the newspaper office the next day at the earliest. And this being the 1960s when journalism was still a proper profession, they would have taken their time to establish the bona fides of that evidence. No way they would have rushed straight into print.

Meanwhile, the news of the prison escape was immediate, and pictures of DuFresne would be all over the papers. A whole raft of bank managers would be contacting the police about a Mr Randall Stevens. That name would then be transmitted to every banking institution in the country. So when he does try to cash those cheques he is in for a surprise.

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Nah, people see what they expect to see. A guy in a gas station is more likely to pay attention to his customers after a prison break than a bank employee would especially if he's not robbing the place.

He went in looking professional with proper ID of a long time customer. Who would think 'prison break' guy? Especially back then when news wasn't on blast 24 hrs a day.

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I think you make a very good point about the warden, possibly, sitting on the news about Andy's escape.

After all, Andy knew all the details about the warden's murderous and corrupt operations.

It's even possible he didn't even WANT to report Andy's escape....ever....and might have planned a faked "killed by the guards while trying to escape and buried on the prison grounds" scenario to explain Andy's disappearance. (Remember, there was a cemetery at the prison, which you see being groomed by the inmates.) Captain Hadley, who murdered Tommy on the warden's orders, could have set up such a plan.

Of course, Andy sending all the detailed info to the newspapers blew up any such plans.







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Even if someone did challenge Andy he had all the correct ID to prove he wasn't Andy Dufresne.

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I believe how we the audience viewed the time from Andy's escape and his going around to various banks in the area are not meant to be taken literally. I am surmising that after the Warden realized Andy had indeed escaped beyond the prison walls he went to the safe to verify / check to make sure he still had the original ledgers / records of his illegal prison program and all the kickbacks & deposits he was making in a false name. Once the warden knew he was no longer in possession of the ledger / records book he would have remained silent about it and hoped that Andy would have been apprehended with his missing ledger / record books. Once Andy cleaned up and changed his clothes and walked into the first of many banks that day he was no longer Andy Dufresne but Randall Stevens the legal account holder and had already obtained all the proper government ID required for a new identity prior to breaking out of Shawshank prison. I suspect Andy / Randall used taxi's to reduce travel times to all the various bank locations before he fled the state. Given the fact the movie alludes to us viewers the pictures of the prison inmates are not updated like in a modern day prison. So the initial picture the authorities would have had to rely upon would have been 20+ years out of date. Also add the lack or poor to non-existent cooperation between various law enforcement jurisdictions during that time period and it would have taken longer than what was only minutes we the audience viewed on screen for Andy's escape and description to become widely known. Given just how methodical and well pre-planned Andy's escape plan was it would come as no surprise he had obtain a secondary set of government ID's and all associated documentation required for him to pass as someone else entirely before he purchased that car he used in the movie. Again to reiterate it is most likely the very last bank Andy visited that day he asked for his mail to be added to their outgoing ones as well. After that probably burned the Randall Stevens ID and other papers and switched to another alias / ID. Crossing the border into Mexico back in that time period would have been relatively easy for an average American citizen with a valid drivers license and other ID which Andy most like had.

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Banks were not the problem.

He was out of prison, he washed himself clean with bar of soap under pouring rain and he had plastic bag of clean dry clothes. Then what ?

He was still in the middle of nowhere near the prison,naked, he didnt have a car to get to city or any cash and his shoes were probably soaking wet if we assume he washed the filthy shoes too, and it was raining heavily.How did he get into city with all warden`s clothes so clean and dry to act like a perfect gentleman ? Hijacking a car in middle of the night,butt naked, near the maximum security prison would have been suicidal. I know about suspension of disbelief, but this miracle is beyond that.

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In the mid 60's news of a prison break (or anything else) didn't travel very fast.

It's pretty unlikely they would have been able to have gotten a mugshot or anything else out to ID Andy to the general public.

Remember he had a good head start considering he busted out in the middle of the night.

That gives lots of time to clean up and dress up in the suit (I'm figuring the bag he has was water protected) and roll into those banks, get the $$$ and get out of dodge.

I agree that maybe the clean up part wasn't so easy but it wouldn't have been that impossible.

Do we know we he hijacked a car?

Maybe he could've taken a cab?



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In reality his whole escape plan was very risky from the get go. He took a huge gamble on being in the same cell for the next 19 years. Yes he was the warden's golden boy and had protection from the guards among other special privileges, but the fact he lived in that cell over 19 years was a huge stroke of luck for him, not to mention the fact the guards never checked the back of his posters not even once during inspections. Unless of course one Andy's cell was exempt from inspection as part of his special prisoner status.

Anyway Andy took a risk with that and he also took a risk attempting to crawl through a half a mile long pipe filled with shit that could have killed him. The way I see it is after his little victory celebration once he got through the pipe he would bathe thoroughly with the bar of soap then start his journey towards town. It is the middle of the night so he has a big head start. Once he got got close to town I imagine he found some sort of cover or shelter to lay low in, dry off, and put the suit on.

When the banks open Andy proceeds with business. I don't know how long it would've taken him to visit 10 banks in the Portland area, but considering he had all the right paperwork and ID probably not too long. I imagine he bought the car after his first bank visit to speed things along. As someone mentioned earlier nobody would have reason to be suspicious of a sharp looking guy in a suit named Randall Stevens. He would have had no problem discreetly spending that day finishing his business, buying a car, then heading out of town. Back then it would've taken at least a day to get his 20 year old picture out to the general public, of course today his picture would be on every television so he wouldn't have been to pull it off today.

One last thing regarding his 6'5 frame that someone previously brought up. The average height has only gone up about an inch from the 40's-50's. It would not have been that unusual to see a man of his height around.

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One last thing regarding his 6'5 frame that someone previously brought up. The average height has only gone up about an inch from the 40's-50's. It would not have been that unusual to see a man of his height around.


The actor was 6'5", not Andy. Much as the 5'7" Tom Cruise is made to be much taller in his films, Tim Robbins wasn't chosen because of his height, he was chosen in spite of it. If he was really 6'5" in the film, that would mean the warden would have to been about that height to make his suit fit Andy.

I think both the Warden and Andy were meant to be about 6' even. Distinguished and tall, but not freakishly so.

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The problem I always had was that the Warden had a good 50 lbs. or more on Andy. That suit should have hung off him like elephant skin.

PS: Tom Cruise 5 - 7 ??? He's shorter than that.

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PS: Tom Cruise 5 - 7 ??? He's shorter than that.


Yeah, but he never appears on screen barefoot...

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Interesting. I’ve never considered this.

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