Why did they leave?


I just rented this movie, and found it very charming. I was a bit confused as to the reason they left the island in the first place. They spoke of having to "evacuate," which made me think of something bad was happening (but this could be due to the definition of "evacuate" in the US vs. in Ireland). Eamon talked of going back when he was older, so Roan Inish couldn't have been in that bad of shape.

Did I miss something in the movie? Or do I need to know some history of the land?

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The movie takes place a couple years after WW2, and it's my understanding that many islands were evacuated due to the risk of being bombed by the Nazis, or possibly for other reasons. Either way, it was considered by the Conneely family to be either unsafe to live on the island at the time, or more profitable to live on the mainland.

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That makes sense. Thank you very much!

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Not sure if this is the reason why they moved in the film, but a lot of the islands around Britain are still being slowly emptied of people because they are too remote to have proper job prospects, and many younger generations are choosing to move away to find work. Because of this, there is not enough people left behind to keep their life going, and they have to move.
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Yes. In the movie you eventually learn that the sons wanted the easier money in the city especially after Fiona's mother(who came from a poor wandering family, and loved the island) died. This film is never going to get the level of studied interpretation that Dancing at Lughnasa has gotten because it seems like a fairy tale. That seeming is why it is taken too lightly. I think once the Disney generation and their kid's are gone this film will be studied seriously.

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But the mother died after they left the island, not before. I always thought that when their baby son is lost at sea and thought to be dead, is one of the reasons for the mother dieing.

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Actually, Bridgid(sp?) died before Jamie is lost or they move from the island. In the opening sequence, we see the family gathered on the island, including Jamie, who is crying, listening to the funeral.

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I was always confused by whether the mother died before or after they lost Jamie/left the island. I never thought that the baby was supposed to be Jamie. But is that really right? The man that is holding the baby isn't the father... It's just confusing the way they show the funeral and then them in the city as if it happens right after. I guess that would make sense, though.

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Yes that is Jamie, The Grandmother say's towards the end when she is talking about Fiona's mother that she was the last to be married there and the last to die on it. which is also why Jamie wasn't being watched very closely when they moved because the mother was already dead...and was another reason for the father to want to leave the island to escape the painful memories of his wifes death.

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Fiona's mother Bridgit was the last to marry on the island and the last to die on it. As the family was moving off the island, Jamie's little cradle boat was left at the shore. After awhile his father noticed that the cradle had floated out. The father and uncles went after it but for some reason couldn't catch up. Jamie was lost to the sea. Supposedly.

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Jamie wasn't being watched closely because he was tucked into his little cradle on the shore as his Father and uncles loaded the large boat that would take the family off Roan Inish. Then the tide came in and Jamie's cradleboat started drifting out. By the time the family saw it floating off shore the seals already had it. The Coneally boys rowed frantically after it but the seals had already taken Jamie. The Coneallys were not supposed to leave Roan Inish. The seals kept Jamie.

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The mother died, then they left the island...its stated very clearly in the movie, by the grandmother, that Fiona's mother was the last outsider to come to the island, and the last to die there. And, Fiona visits her mother's grave on Roan Inish.

I assume the person holding baby Jamie in the funeral scene, is one of Fiona's older brothers. I think she had several older brothers, then her, then Jamie...the older brothers stayed in the city with dad (probably to work), but she was sent back to live with the grandparents.

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Here are my thoughts after watching the movie for the first time last night. [After reading the comments here I would have liked to scan through the movie again but when I checked my mailbox just now the postman had already picked it up to go back to Netflix. :( ]

Anyway, I admit I can't remember the funeral scene at the beginning very clearly but it seems to me that everything (except for perhaps that) in the movie points to Fiona and Jamie's mother being a Selkie. I think the story told by Fiona's father about how he met her "travelling around" might have been a tale to cover up the real truth. Notice how he brought her back unexpectedly in a boat just as had occurred in the story Fiona had been told of the earlier selkie. No one from Roan Inish knew Fiona's mother before that. I'm thinking she didn't actually die, but rather found her skin and returned to the sea. We never do get details about what happened to her. She might have been "lost at sea" and her body never found even though they had a funeral for her.

I think Fiona's father's reaction is consistent with (but not proof of) that. He knows what he's lost, just as the earlier selkie's husband knew what he had lost.

Also, I don't think it's coincidental that that one particular seal has a bond with Fiona (and vice versa). That seal notices her on the boat when she arrives and seems to follow her for the rest of the movie. I think that seal is Fiona's (and Jamie's) selkie mother, checking up on her daughter.

In regards to this from Myndchanger's entry:

"After awhile his father noticed that the cradle had floated out. The father and uncles went after it but for some reason couldn't catch up. Jamie was lost to the sea. Supposedly."

I don't think any of that was coincidental either. If you watch the movie you'll see that the cradle didn't just float out to sea. It floated out to sea in the midst of the bird attack on the men. The birds were distracting the men on purpose, and there was one brief shot of a bird actually tugging on the cradle (as far as I could make it out). The birds were helping out the seals, i.e. the selkies, i.e. probably Jamie's mother. Notice how dark Jamie's hair was (then and later in the movie, just like a selkie's)? And notice how that bird keeps eyeing Fiona. The birds are part of the tale, too.

I think the reason the men couldn't catch up with the cradle, even when rowing at full power, was very specific - a selkie (again presumably Jamie's mother) was towing it away. That a selkie or seal could do that was shown quite clearly later in the movie when Fiona is towed over to Roan Inish in the boat without oars.

So my overall take is that after Jamie's mother turned back into a selkie, she missed her children, and took the opportunity when it presented itself (with the help of her seabird friends) to "kidnap" her young baby, not out of an evil instinct but out of a maternal one. She wanted to be with him. And the fact that he survived all that time in good health showed that she had cared for him. But in the end, her maternal instincts also told her that he needed to be with people to be raised properly, and at the end of the movie she saw to it that he was returned to his human family. That is, after she knew that he would live on Roan Inish and be nearby where she could keep an eye on him from time to time.

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A nice and well thought out idea, but...

"That's the seal! The same one who watched me from the boat! I'm sure of it"

"Ah your screeching scared them away"

"His name is Jax"

"How do you know that?"

"It just is, that's all"

Obviously not word for word, but Fiona's mother couldn't have been that particular seal, the seal's name was Jax. And it was a he.

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"everything (except for perhaps that) in the movie points to Fiona and Jamie's mother being a Selkie"
Uh, no. She was a mainlander, not even from the island originally. Tess tells Fiona about it near the end. The selkie blood in him was from Nuala, the selkie woman from the story. Remember what the shopkeeper said: once every generation the Conneleys spit out a dark one. The latent selkie blood manifests itself once a generation.

Yes, the bird attack is deliberate. If you watch carefully, a gull lands on the cradle just before they attack, and when it flies off they stop. It's a signal. And it was a normal seal, not a selkie, who towed Jamie out.

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Brigid's gravestone says 1910-1946. So it becomes a mystery who the baby is that the older brother is holding. Jamie was lost during the evacuation which according to the grandfather was three years ago -1943. Jamie's age appears to be that of a boy about 4 years old.

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No, the evacuation was *after* the mother died. Remember they said she was the last to die on the island? So the main part of the film takes place in 1949.

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Fiona was the eldest of two. Her and Jamie. The others were her uncles and father. Their mother didn't turn back to a selkie because she never was one. The ancestress was the one that turned back because she started life as a selkie.

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Oh, what a nice thought myndchanger.


"I think once the Disney generation and their kid's are gone this film will be studied seriously."

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Anybody know the movie I'm lookin for?: Irish gypsies(?), a magical white horse, a white-bearded old man and a boy ... ?

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If I am correct, that movie is called "Into the West".

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I hope. Old legends are there for a reason. John Sayles revived this one. I don't know why, it seems out of character for him.

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they had to leave the island because there was no work on the island and everyone one else had left,they say so in the film

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The threat of Nazi bombings has nothing to do with islands off the west coast being evacuated.
The term 'evacuate' has a slightly different meaning here. It is not that people had to leave in a hurry to avoid a disaster. Many islands offthe west coast became uninhabited around this time due to the hardship of the life there. Also, they were encouraged to move to the mainland by the government because it was too expensive to provide public services for them on the islands. Residents were often offered new houses on the mailand. So what would happen is that the island community would decide as a whole that is made sense to leave (usually at this stage there weren't many left anyway) and so on a selected day they would all have left together, an evacuation.
Inishark is a classic example of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inishark

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The specifically say in the movie that the younger generation started getting restless on the island, with no new people to meet, and no jobs to be had. Even Fiona's mother is from the mainland, Fiona's father went to Ireland to find work and brought her back to Roan Inish.

Also, it was not Fiona's mother who was a selkie, Bridget died, before they evacuated the island and before Jamie was lost to sea. The woman who was the selkie is Fiona's great great grandmother (there may be a few more greats) on her father's side. Which is why they say the Jamie belonged in the sea.

The seal that Fiona likes is not her mother, or her great grandmother who was a selkie. His name is Jax (as someone said earlier) and is a boy seal.

That is all.

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They were forced to leave partly because they were not allowed to speak Irish, by the then ruling British. This happened all over Ireland at that time and especially on the islands. It was easier for the British to keep track of them and 'Anglicise' them on the mainland. Watch it again and read the subtitles from the Irish.

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Unless this movie takes place in 'Northern Ireland', and correct me if I'm wrong, but Donegal isn't in 'Northern Ireland', the British were no longer ruling this part of Ireland (TG) by the time of the story in the movie.

Fiona's father met her mother when he went to the mainland to sell the extra fish they had caught during an exceptional fishing trip, not because he was looking for work.

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Unless this movie takes place in 'Northern Ireland', and correct me if I'm wrong, but Donegal isn't in 'Northern Ireland', the British were no longer ruling this part of Ireland (TG) by the time of the story in the movie.

Actually, Donegal is in Northern Ireland -- in the County of Donegal, Northern Ireland. I suppose it's possible there's another Donegal in the Republic that's so small that nobody's heard of it, but I doubt it.

Never would have figured the Conneelys to be Orangemen, but there it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donegal

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Sorry, wrong.

Co. Donegal, at the northwest corner of the island, is most definitely part of the Republic.

Try this link instead, where you'll find Donegal as number 26.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Ireland

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The film (and I love this movie, esp. after watching it with the closed-captioning turned on so I could follow the dialogue!) is a little confusing. I didn't quite understand the point of the story of Sean Michael, the Coneely great-great(??) grandfather during the time of the English rule--I guess it was to show that oral tradition plays a role in the family history. The story of Nuala, the Selkie ancestress, is very similar to several Selkie legends I've read. I'm still debating the Brigid story--she was basically a wanderer far from the sea and she said she had never tasted saltwater fish before(of course, I'm paraphrasing here)...but she seemed very wistful in Fiona's flashback/dream, which was reminiscent of Nuala.

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Wrong, wrong so very wrong.

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Leaving had nothing to do with the British as the 26 counties were a Free State from 1922 and a Republic from 1949. However economic conditions in Ireland during "The Emergency" as WW II is called in Ireland were difficult and the state did not want to provide services to islands. They encouraged the residents to move to the main part of Ireland. Blascaod Mór (Great Blasket) off the coast of Kerry was inhabited until 1953. The people had suffered lack of supplies during storms and gave up after a boy died when he could not he gotten to hospital. Gola (Ghabhla) island off Donegal was inhabited until 1963. Tory (Toraigh)island , like Gola is off the Donegal Coast and still occupied. The people on Tory are Irish speaking and speak a rapid fire version of the Ulster dialect that can be tough even for native speakers from other parts of Donegal.

It was just lack of jobs and lack of state services that caused the evacuations, encouraged by state incentives to move

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I think it's very much like the ghost towns in the U.S., where even now small town, like here in Oregon, are losing timber or fishing jobs and with nothing to replace what was the main employment of the area, the towns just reach a critical point where there's not enough "life" left to sustain them and the last people leave. I remember seeing a documentary that showed part of a city in Michigan that has been dying for the last few decades as it's automobile manufacturing jobs have been lost and there are massive areas that are just abandoned- block after block of homes, schools, businesses, all empty and decaying. And I'm sure, as in the case of those Irish islands of the mid 20th Century, the ghost towns from the American West of the 19th Century, or communities today, when people see the place they've called home, sometimes for generations, fading away, it's got to be so sad! Perhaps some can find a better life in a new place, but even for them it's always going to be missing something.

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That's it! I just saw in the news a month or two back, that it's been listed as the most dangerous city in America. Sad for those who have to move away to find a better life for their families, but even sadder for those who can't move away!

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