Based on a True Story?


I saw this movie on the True channel. Is this really based on a true story or was this just a mess-up on part of the network?

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No it is semi-true made funny. I live in Battle Creek so the movie and story are well known.

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I would say that the story is based on fact, but is overall a fictionalized story based on historical events.

It's not a "mess up" on the account of anybody. It's just "artistic license".

First of all, this film obviously takes place in the late Victorian era, what looks to me like the 1880's or 1890's. Kellogg would have been in his 40's, 50's at the latest in these days. We also see flashbacks involving his misfit adopted son (Dana Carvey's carachter) in what would have been 15, 20 years earlier. Kellogg is shown in these flashbacks as younger, but still nearing middle age.

During the main action of the film, Kellogg is depicted as quite a health nut, but still in middle age, and though not quite to the twilight of his life, still coming on in years, when in fact, he wouldn't have been quite as old as he was shown, especially considering that flashback segments that were meant to take place 15-20 years prior to the main action of the film, still show him as a maturing adult rather than an adult in his prime.

Now, the fact that Hopkins, who was in his late 50's at the time, is playing the part and that it need not totally depict total accuracy in such aspects, even if the film was supposed to be a narrative of actual events, wouldn't be a major transgression of film making.

I can't find any resources that say anything about Kellogg dieing mid-dive into a lake, I do know that he wasn't "three score plus ten years old" as Hopkins states just before taking the dive in the closing montage. In fact, Kellogg lived to be 92 years old.

I think the movie is a clever narrative, mostly fictionalized, that makes use of actual events and themes that were common in the 19th century. Yes, John Kellogg was a real person, yes, he had a Sanitarium at Battle Creek that had well-meaning ideas of mental and physical health (some of which were quite helpful, and probably just as many that were crackpot ideas, as was shown in the film) and he really did have a lot of competitors in the commercial breakfast cereal business, and his brother really was one of them, and yes, Dr. Kellogg really was a 7th Day Adventist for much of his life (though he did abandon the church later in life, in fact not long after the time that the film would have taken place).

But did a man who partnered with a snake-oil salesman and Kellogg's adopted son to make another competing breakfast cereal in Battle Creek ultimately end up making a popular cola drink in the early 20th century? Probably not.

Was there ever any such people as William and Elenor Lightbody? Probably not.

Was the Battle Creek Sanitarium burned to the ground by Dr. Kellogg's nutty adopted son? Probably not.

Was there really a Dr. Lionel Badger or Dr. Spitzvogel? Probably not.

Other than Kellogg and some of the other verifiable characters that he makes reference to in the opening sequence with the reporters, I think all of the characters are entirely fictional, and simply represent historical themes from the era that help contribute to a humorous and interesting narrative.

So whereas the major plot lines that take place in the movie may have never actually happened, they are based on real events and historical themes.

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Was there ever any such people as William and Elenor Lightbody? Probably not.

Was the Battle Creek Sanitarium burned to the ground by Dr. Kellogg's nutty adopted son? Probably not.


I think there probably were people like the Lightbody's, gullible, well meaning people looking for purpose or healing.

The Sanitarium did actually burn to the ground in 1902, though I suspect it was accidental rather than arson. There's actually a picture of it up in flames http://www2.willard.lib.mi.us/bcphotos/fires/images/h10_2113.jpg

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Please... Not only were there Lightbodys back then: There are people like Lightbody all over the place today. Every see the colon cleansers on television? GO to hollywood. See how many people are getting coffee enemas for the very same reasons Dr Kellog gave for yogurt enemas. And we have colonoscopies that show buildup does not happen in the colon... at least they couldn't have known any better.

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Twelve years since my original reply! Here is to another 12 years of health and happiness...Hopefully in another 12 years I can make another post just as this!

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Ya Dr. Kellog's Corn Flakes are real and so were his really f'd up method of giving u "Yogurt Enima's" lol scary stuff in the name of health

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A great deal of this story is true. The movie is based on a book of the same name which is more factual and less fanciful. However, much of what we see on the screen reflects the attitudes of the times, especially toward eating and sex. The references to masturbation and sexual toys represent the attitudes of that day.

I love this film because of the look and feel of it. It so accurately portrays the sites and sounds of the time it takes place in. The acting is excellent, although a bit over the top, and there are many good laughs, provided one is able to see the subtle truths underlying the parody.

Mike Presman

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You seem to be veru familiar with the film so I'm choosing you to ask my question. As mentioned in the movie, what is "green sickness"? I an unable to find anything other chlorosis that corresponds with this name. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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I am afraid I cannot help you. It has been some time since I saw the movie and even longer since I read the book; however, the book (with the same name) is heavier on the history of Kellogg and lighter on the humor. I can only expect that the "green sickness" was a virulent form of diarrhea; the green color comes from too much iron in the system and the color will also appear in healthy excrement.

Coincidentally, I taught for 44 years at the C. W. Post Campus of Long Island University. Charley W. Post was the inventor of Post Toasties and was a major competitor of Kellogg's. Post is referred to in the book a few times. (He was also the father of the actress Dina Merrill.) The campus was the summer estate of Post and was donated to the University in the late 1940's.

Kellogg was a bit of a nut, obsessed with many of his ideas about health. Not being able to resist a pun, I would have preferred to have said that "he was a bit of a flake!"

Mike Pressman

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Thank you for the speedly reply. :-)

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A minor correction.

C.W. Post was not Dina Merrill's father. She was his granddaughter, born in 1925 to C.W.P.'s daughter Marjorie and the second of her four husbands, E.F. Hutton, founder of the brokerage firm. The reason I know this is that I worked at the ad agency that had the Hutton account, which did an ad featuring Ms. Merrill, having fun with their famous slogan, saying, "When E.F. Hutton spoke, I HAD to listen!"

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You are absolutely right about C. W. Post being Dina Merrill's grandfather and I should be very embarassed! I taught at the C. W. Post College branch of Long Island University for 44 years and often took guests on historical tours of the old estate. (The E. F. Hutton estate in Brookville, Long Island also became part of the school's campus.)

When we built a new theater on the campus some years ago, Dina Merrill was approached for financial support, with the consideration that we would name the building for her; she refused to be a part of it. I heard of no record of her ever having come to the campus, but Majorie did visit occasionally and was active in some of the women's activities in the early days.

(The college located there in 1954, although a zoning dispute forced it to move elsewhere for about two years. I started there in 1958 and retired from there in 2002. I ended up as a Professor of Computer Science, after having taught Engineering and Mathematics before we established the computer program.)

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green sickness was a myth back in the day used to explain the frigidity of women who remained virgins into their older age. it was said that if a woman were to not have sex ever, she would turn green and ill. they got this from the stopping of the menstrual flow at an early age, which was later said to be due to iron deficiency - NOT a blockage of vaginal discharge that was caused by never being "cleaned out" by intercourse.

its important to note that most believe that this disease never really existed. i would agree seeing how the cure to green sickness was marriage.

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True too is the fact that some doctors would provide women their monthly needed orgasm by "manipulating" them. I would guess that these doctors enjoyed these types of particular sessions and that some would specialize in this. One would understand why ;)

The movie is quite raunchy, indeed.

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The Astonishing History of Vibrators!
http://www.tbd.com/content/article/basic_article.article:::love_life_h istory_vibrators

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As the thoughts of getting a woman off as a job sound like a dream job, remember, the ones needing it are likely unattractive, to the curtain between you is as much for your sake as it is theirs, not a job I could do, just thinking about the nastys that could show up.

Wasn't me

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Yeah, well, I think it is as "bared upon a true story" as many other films claim they are. I guess the thing about mr and mrs lightbody, bender and the per-fo kellogs cornflakes "factory" was all made up, but could be true. A bit like titanic, it could be real, but you really don't know.

However, if you have readen one of john harvey kelloggs's books (you can find some of them for free online) it seems like he was actually more crazy than portrayed in this movie!

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So your saying that the Titanic wasn't real? Because if you are your sadly mistaken, my Great Uncle died on that thing. However, if you meant the characters in the movie, then that I understand.

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Is anyone so sure it has no basis in the book Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann. The book is about a Sanitarium in the Swiss alps in the late 1800's and it seems to me this might be a comedic rendition of this story. Anyone read the book and have anymore insight into this opinion?

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No, this movie is an adaptation of a book conjured solely out of the imagination of one T.C. Boyle. True, it's historical fiction, but like his other works in that genre, Boyle has taken a fair amount of liberties. If you haven't read it, and enjoyed the movie, I highly suggest checking it out. Once you're finished you'll be obsessed and want to read everything else the man has ever written. I'd also suggest "Water Music" and "Budding Prospects," both of which would also make excellent movies, in my opinion.

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Wow it almost took 4 years to reply to this!! I definetly do not live in Battle Creek anymore.

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Haha 11 years after my initial post this movie still makes for some gut busting laughs. Especially when charles and his team test their terrible corn flakes! Lol the laughing hurts at that part!

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Do a google or wikipedia search for Rev. Sylvester Graham -- the inventor of graham crackers. He's the wacko that started the entire bizzare health craze of that period. Kellogg's conceptions about heath were all but entirely based on the Graham diet. The Battle Creek Sanitarium was a real place, Kellogg was a real guy, and the wacked out concepts of sex and health were genunie beliefs at that time. I doubt, however, that the movie is attempting to be a factual, historical account of events that occured at Battle Creek.

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The most inacurate thing about this story is that "John Harvey Kellog" (who was chief doctor at the "health farm")did not invent breakfast cerials, his younger brother "William kellog" did. He was the manager/book keeper of the "health farm", and went on to establish the Kellog's company. he does not seem to be in the story at all.

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That's because he founded a company that still exists (and can sue people!)

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It is referenced in the film. At the very beginning when Kellogg is talking to a bunch of reporters about his ideas, etc., one asks about his brother and his brother's claim to have invented corn flakes. Kellogg replies in a way that makes it seem that he invented the corn flakes and his brother took the credit for it (which, of course isn't true, and is part of the joke if you know the story).

It's also referenced again later when it's noted that Kellogg's brother has been spending millions of dollars publicising the name Kellogg.

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Green Sickness is a common name for a form of anemia, not what anyone above posted, though those are common misconceptions/myths
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorosis_(medicine)

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Got this at the library OFCOURSE & after watching it i went and got a book on him but i did not finish reading it, maybe i will be able to try again in the near future!!!!!!

The Battle Creek Sanitorium? Wonder what famous(even underated 1's) creative&artistic persons spent time there or had someone dear to them sent here to help them recover from an illness?? Guess i'll never know the secret?

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I wonder if an ENEMA/COLONIC/CLENSE will help me rid myself of this VICE faster than my other DETOX attempts?

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