linear confusion.


why did they show in the second sequence kiril as if alex had taken the photo. was the wife there also taking photos? so the linear wasnt' suppose to make sense then.

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I was wondering the same thing. The only explanation I could think of was that, like you said, she took the photos. Perhaps she followed Kiril and the Albanian girl. But parts 1 and 3 were both told in linear fashion (despite part 3 taking place before part 1, the parts themselves were linear), so why would part 2 have a non-linear sequence?

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The more I think about it, and I've seen the movie 3 times now, I think part 2 might actually be told out of linear sequence. Makes sense as to why Anne is crying at the beginning of this part, and she has the photos..but then in part 3 Aleksander says to the bus passenger that she died when asked about the woman in the photo! Weird. I think the pieces are not meant to fit together like a puzzle. Deep movie though.


There is no night as deep as this
Inevitable mind's abyss
Where I now dwell with foes alone

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he said she died in a taxi, because at that point she was basically dead to him in terms of their relationship

he wasn't saying she was actually dead


I'm proud to say my poetry is only understood by that minority which is aware.

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she could have cried
- because she gets a child from the wrong man.
- because she cant stand her job any longer. to see so many dead people every day.
- because any other reason we dont know

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doesnt work!
at the time she looked at the photos of the killed girl
she didnt know that the photographer was dead.
or: at least she hasnt told the person on the phonecall from macedonia that he already died,
but i dont think so.
so she was for sure not the photographer of those photos,
cause if she would have been in macedonia by herself she would know that the photographer is already dead.

the photos could have been sent by anyone!
why is it important who made this photos?
it could have been someone of his family who has the taken his camera
it could have been any photographer

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The film is circular, not linear. You'll probably have to watch it again to notice it, I did. The film forms a circle, having no true beginning or end. This develops the theme of the endless cycle of violence.

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I think who took the picture is not important (though I wondered about that, too), the point may be that the photographer is in London while he is supposed to be dead in Macedonia. Personally, I feel London and the life of the photographer is the starting and also the end point, thought there's no really starting points in the story.

Great film.

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but... if you want you can choos a starting point which makes sense for everything.
even a linear story.

the starting point would be after she has seen the dead girl on the photo.
next scene you can see the photographer for the first time in london.

if you make a huge cut between those 2 scenes everything works perfect.

HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD (whole story!)

he is still in london, leaves her, goes home to macedonia, he died, the girl died, (she got the message that he died, or not. if she got this message its the reason why she cried),
the photos were made by anyone, sent to her, she looks at the photos, felt sick

the circular structur never really works, cause when he dies he is jumping out of the circle at that point,
but the circle was for sure the intention of the structure of the film

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it works just if its not important who the photographer is.
another photographer will come and do his job

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the circualr structure would have worked if the photographer never died,
so that he was able to make the photos.

and… we dont really know that he died,
but the wounds, the weapon, the fact that he lies somewhere in the mountains obviously far away from the next hospital and doctor… we can say he did die.

also… if he didnt die he would need some weeks to get well again.
though we dont know how much time passed since he left the girl and she got shot.
but it makes sense that the same rain which is falling on his dead body
is the same rain the monch is talking about when the girl came near the monastry.
next day she is dead and it is not thinkable that the photographer is on his feet again the day after.

the circular structure would have worked without any logical problems if the photographer would have never got shot to death.

but the director obviously deceided that it is much more important to show, that both got killed by their own people. the albanian girl by her family and the macedonian by his. both parties killed their own people

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There is no doubt that the story is circular and not linear.
And there is indeed a confusion about the photos.

But there is one line in the film - once each in the three segments.
"The circle is not round"....

Guess, some confusion has been left deliberately. Things need not be chronologically correct every time - perhaps this is what is intended.

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of course that's intentional

indeed to show the cyclical nature of violence

(as well as a lot of deliberate parallels between the stories)

"the circle is not round" can be seen as an optimistic point that the circle of violence CAN be broken)

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I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed this. I get the circular storytelling thing but the fact that the pictures arrived to her after Alexander was dead was the only major thing that didn't make sense with the timetable distracted from the film a bit. Still enjoyed it though.

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I haven't seen this film in years, but it is one of my all-time favorites. So while I don't remember the exact specifics of this scene you are asking about, if you watch closely there are many many issues like this. The phone call, the dialogue shifts in the closing scene, etc.
The whole idea of this film is that history repeats itself... that all of human life is a circle and cycle of violence and this story (or ones like it) have been told over and over again and will continue over and over again. These individuals and their stories are timeless and the violence they face happens over and over again... and these intentional inconsistencies are what makes this film one of the greatest films ever made (in my opinion).
As they say, the circle is not round. It is not hopeless. When people take a stand, it makes a shift, it makes a difference and when these same stories of violence unfold next time, they won't unfold in exactly the same way... but shifted slightly towards justice. Its worth it to stick your neck out.

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I just finished watching this film, and yeah the timing is really confusing. My thought after re-watching the beginning of the movie (where you see Anne watching the funeral saying "Oh my God, oh my God") is that if you want to watch the film in linear sequence, you should begin right after Aleksandr comes to London, then the third part, and then the first part, and then the beginning of the second part until Aleksandr comes to London. I think he comes to London, tells her he's going to leave to go home, she follows him and arrives after he has died and she takes the photos of Kiril and Zamira. That's my theory anyways.

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The pictures were taken by presumably one of the kids that were hanging around his window the first time he woke up in his old house.
They were talking about what kind of camera he had so it might be one of them.

Screenshot of kid taking pictures in part 1:
http://i68.tinypic.com/2ihqdua.png

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That's the most interesting thing about this movie, it's not just short stories that are linked together, but an endless repetition. Like the director suggested, people and places may change, but the conflicts continue to go backward and forward.

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