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Symbolism and repetition in Léon (SPOILERS)


Two of the best things about a film by Luc Besson are the recurrence of themes and the blending of events to add meaning and development. Reality takes second place to style, rhythm, theme, and meaning, making his films more like visual poetry than a simple retelling of events. Emotions, quality of life, and true love are paramount. The only mission his characters are on is finding what is important in their lives and letting go of the rest. Death becomes a small price to pay for inner peace and discovery.

I would like to use this thread to talk about the elements in Léon that contribute to this visual poetry and plan on posting replies/subposts about different aspects I have seen. Please join in with your own contributions, questions, or corrections. As some old-timers here know, this is a reposting of a thread that has been deleted by IMDb when they replaced the forum or deleted all posts older than a certain date (now April 2003). Most of the contents date back to August of 2000. I am going to slowly repost the contents over the next few weeks.

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Three is a constant element in this film and other Besson titles. Here are some of the triplets I have found in Léon:

Stansfield sees both Léon and Mathilda three times. First, when he and Malky are questioning Mathilda's father. Second, when Mathilda tries to kill him and when he sees Léon on the landing with the medic. Lastly, when he captures Mathilda and kills Léon.

Mathilda rings Léon's doorbell in three sequences and says "please" three times.

They share three living spaces, namely: the apartment where they are introduced, the hotel room where their relationship begins, and the final apartment where she becomes Léon's partner and true love.

Mathilda carries Léon's plant three times. She carries it on their first move to the hotel and then on their last move to an apartment. She carries it on her own at the end, as Léon's representative, and plants "it in the middle of a park so it can have roots."

Léon suffers three explosions: the first is a grenade he throws into an apartment, the second is the grenade fired into his apartment, and the last is the explosion that kills him and Stansfield.

Mathilda seeks to bind Léon to her on three occasions, first with her offer to be his housemaid (which he rejects), second with her Russian Roulette that begins their partnership, and finally with her offer of sex that Léon refuses but establishes his rebirth as a complete human. He sets aside his gun, recognizes the source of his emptiness, and begins to live again for the first time.

Mathilda loads three bullets into her gun for her game of Russian Roulette.

Léon settles into death in a three-stage process. He first leaves the landing after the medic departs, looks up at the false light from the police flashlights, and then heads downstairs into the blackness. Second, he approached the true light of the alley, is stymied by the police presence, and turns back to go down steps again into blackness. Lastly, he enters the silent, black hallway with the exit showing as a bright light in the distance. He is at peace, removes his mask, and surrenders to a blissful death with Stansfield. This piece reminds me of Besson's divers finding release and euphoria in the black depths of the sea. Léon's mission was complete because he found his life.

From marthalorusso:

when Stansfield gets in Mathilda's appartment to kill everyone, he walks straight forward, then he stops, makes exactly THREE STEPS BACK, opens the bath's door and shoots Mathilda's stepmom.

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About the triplets: Stansfield killed 3 people in the apartment's massacre: Mathilda's step-mom, her half-sister and her father.

On the other side, Leon killed 3 of Stansfield's men who took part there: Malky, 2nd Stan's man and Willy Blood.

Looks "karmic", like a balanced thing.


brent2005 mentioned the cartoons but they are shown at least four times (twice in her family's apartment and twice in an apartment shared with Léon)

As for what it all means, who knows for sure? Counts of three are extremely common. Perhaps this is Besson's playful way of commenting on the use of three or simply a way to make the stages/steps/repeats resonate in the minds of the viewers.

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Just to let you know Mathilda loads 4 bullets into the pistol during russian roulette. You see her load three, then she loads a 4th. You can see that there are 4 when it shows the gun again just before she spins it and snaps the chamber back. I originally thought that it was just three myself, but I couldnt ignore the sound of a 4th being loaded, so I watched carefully when she snapped it back and indeed there is a 4th bullet in there.

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I'll review the frame and put in the change tomorrow.

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I played both sections a frame at a time several times on my superbit edition and also played it normal speed so that I could hear the noises. Her hand gun only had five chambers. Two were empty and three had bullets in them. The central pin was silver colored and held the carrier in place. The three bullets were distinct brass-colored objects. Even though the next time the camera shows the pistol, she is spinning the carrier on its central pin, you can clearly see and count both the bullets and the empty chambers in the last few frames before she snaps it in place. You are right about the metallic noise after the camera showed her loading the three bullets, but it must have been something else besides an additional bullet.

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you can clearly hear 4 bullets loaded in the gun for the Russian roulette. Not 3!

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You can HEAR four clicks, you may ASSUME whatever you want about those clicks, BUT you can SEE that there are only three bullets before the cylinder is closed

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I haven't seen the extended version so I'm trying to piece together the things that I missed out on.

I was hoping that it was at least possible that a fourth bullet was loaded. (Heard not seen on screen) Because that would allow the russian roulette odds to be the same odds that Mathilda beat when she survived the massacre. The fourth bullet would represent Mathilda's little brother who was killed but it wasn't shown.

Contrary to my reading comprehension, I'll ask... Is it definitive that there are two empty chambers when Mathilda puts the gun to her head?


Thank you in anticipation to a reply.


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There is no dispute at all about the sound suggesting the possibility that four bullets were loaded. What I did to check was to go one frame at a time while the cylinder was open and spinning, after Mathilda had loaded cartridges but before she snapped the cylinder into place. It is clear from the visual that there are five chambers in the cylinder and that only three of them have cartridges. Both empty chambers were next to full chambers on both sides. Leon would not only have been able to see what the camera showed (as far as final position when the cylinder was snapped into place), but would have watched Mathilda load each cartridge. Presuming it was possible to hear the difference between closing on an empty chamber or a full chamber, he could have known with certainty if the chamber that would be in place, once the gun had been cocked and she pulled the trigger, held a cartridge or not.

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Mathilda loads FOUR bullets into her gun for her game of Russian Roulette.

Four clicks are clearly heard and while she was spinning the gun, 3 bullets can be seen but Leon said that there was 1 more round in the chamber.

Just letting u know.

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Mathilda loads FOUR bullets into her gun for her game of Russian Roulette.

Four clicks are clearly heard and while she was spinning the gun, 3 bullets can be seen but Leon said that there was 1 more round in the chamber.

Just letting u know.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/board/thread/2406531?d=11123173#11123173 All that Léon says is that the chamber now in position to fire contains one of the bullets. When you can clearly see the open cylinder with only three bullets in it before she snaps it into place, it is ridiculous to claim that a fourth bullet was there because you heard a metallic click beforehand. A click WAS heard, but it had to be some other noise than a fourth bullet because everyone can see there is no fourth bullet in the gun. It isn't an automatic. Every bullet that could be fired had to be in the cylinder .

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3 times they show the cartoons too

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thats great and all but whats the reason for the triplets. father son and holy ghost?! or as usual is it just style over substance

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This thread and all your posts are amazing.

Very well done!

All I have to add to your "triplets", is that when Stansfield gets in Mathilda's appartment to kill everyone, he walks straight forward, then he stops, makes exactly THREE STEPS BACK, opens the bath's door and shoots Mathilda's stepmom.


I want your thread alive.

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Thanks for the kind remarks and the new set of three. I'll revise the original post.

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wonderful thread. everything you say makes sense, and the breadth of your research is outstanding. i love the film even more now. besson has always fascinated me but i knew little about him. i have new respect for the worldview he expresses and how he came to it. love your compariosn of leon to a knight, hte two of them as children, the purity, all sorts of stuff. wish there were more threads like this on imdb.

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Hello again DFC-2.

About the triplets: Stansfield killed 3 people in the apartment's massacre: Mathilda's step-mom, her half-sister and her father.

On the other side, Leon killed 3 of Stansfield's men who took part there: Malky, 2nd Stan's man and Willy Blood.

Looks "karmic", like a balanced thing.


Strange coincidence, the only Stansfield's man who didn't get in the apartment and stayed out in the hall (Benny) was the only one who survived in the end (in the movie), but HORRIBLE! What a terrible tragedy, the actor who played Benny (Keith Glascoe) died in the World Trade Center, 09/11/2001.

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Thanks for the interesting additions. It is sad about Keith Glascoe. The later tragedy adds poignancy to his short time on screen.

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Besson and Thierry Arbogast (his cinematographer) used lighting both to set the mood for a scene and as a symbol. Light often represented hope, but it could also show exposure and danger. Mathilda's shadowed face when she was pleading for entry suddenly bathed in light as Léon opened the door and Léon's futile search for the glowing exit both expressed the hope and security of light. The red lights from the sharpshooters, the police flash lights, the glaring bathroom lights when Mathilda was getting ready to shoot Stansfield, and finally her journey through the police barricades in the bright sunlight all heightened her vulnerability.

Darkness also had multiple roles. It was the security Léon hid behind, a passageway to opportunity for Mathilda, a powerful defense for Mathilda when Léon's grenade destroyed a shooter's apartment and she stood shivering in the black-clothed hitman's arms. I believe that darkness was also used as a point of discovery and resolution. On Mathilda;s first night in his apartment, Léon sits in the dark deciding what to do about his problem. When he is standing over her ready to shoot, his recoil from that act is intensified by the sudden illumination of his face as he lifts his head. For Mathilda, walking around Time Square in the dark was a time for her to deal with Léon's death and face her future. Blackness served as a point of transition for Nikita when she escaped from the restaurant through the garbage chute, Leeloo used a vent shaft in her escape from the lab, and Mathilda used a wall cavity for her exit. In the beginning, Léon opens his door, bathing Mathilda in light and granting her shelter in his world. When she leaves it behind, she descends into the darkness of the wall shaft and is reborn in the indifferent world she left behind. As she ascends out of her subterranean escape, she walks into a bright natural light with abundant noise as if breaking the surface from a dive.

Finally, darkness represented danger, nullification and death with Léon's disembodied hand coming out of the darkness behind the fatman, the dark silhouettes of the swat team members as Léon prepared to shoot then and Léon's own dark silhouette as Stansfield aimed his gun at him. Mathilda looked down rather than straight across at Léon's door when Stansfield's crew was in her family's apartment so that her face was in shadow until Léon opened his door. At the end of their time together, the camera showed the light behind Léon so that Mathilda's face was well-lit but his face was dark.

Luc Besson came from a family of divers and was fascinated by the sense of euphoria some divers felt in the blackness of the deep sea. Léon settles into death in a three-stage process. He first leaves the landing after the medic departs, looks up at the false light from the police flashlights, and then heads downstairs into the blackness. Secondly, he approached the true light of the alley, is stymied by the police presence, and turns back to go down steps again into blackness. Lastly, he enters the silent, black hallway with the exit showing as a bright light in the distance. He is at peace, removes his mask, and surrenders to a blissful death with Stansfield. Léon's mission was complete because he had recovered all that mattered about life in his final hours with Mathilda.

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Besson's life was completely changed after a diving accident when he was a teenager. He was told that he could no longer dive, went through a long period of depression, and dropped out of school. His great passion from the age of ten had been dolphins and the sea. He carried away from them a sense of unconditional love and acceptance along with a freedom from human vanities. As he got on with his life and became interested in movies, he brought his dreams about the sea, dolphins, and dolphin behavior into his new career.

The central figures in many of his films are isolated lawless individuals divorced from an insane or chaotic society. Each is given a chance at life through the unconditional love of another. It may be an old man, a grocery clerk, a cab driver, or a hitman named Léon, but each provides security and support unavailable elsewhere.

Besson created a unique emotional story in Léon, where two deeply scarred children redeemed each other through love. One is a real child, unloved, abused, and living in an emotional purgatory dominated by cartoons. She sees herself as fully-grown and already dead. After her family is killed, all she wants is for Léon to keep her with him or to die for real. She is delicately balanced on the edge of oblivion and willing to sacrifice everything for love and revenge against Stansfield for killing her brother. The other is a man who regressed into childhood when he was still a teenager. He is illiterate, his clothes don't fit, and he avoids contact with anyone but his employer. His one contact, Tony, encouraged him to trust no one and to avoid change. He survives by staying and working alone, thoroughly understanding and preparing for his work as an assassin, and guarding all access to his world.

When circumstances force the two together, Léon is terrified at the prospect of dealing with her. Even though he is attracted to her as a soulmate and child, he wants nothing to do with her. She is an emotional time bomb that could get them both killed and he needs to be alone to be safe. Mathilda, on the other hand, immediately latches on to Léon as someone who cares about her, who will never hurt her, and who knows how she feels. She loves him, and doesn't care about anything but binding him to her and getting revenge for the killing of her brother.

Léon reluctantly saves Mathilda's life by letting her into his apartment. He does not want her there and does not accept her as part of his life until much later. She knows he cares for her, loves him as much as she has ever loved anyone, and is devastated each time he shows that he wishes she were gone.

Perhaps the most powerful scene in the movie is after she has gotten them kicked out of the hotel. Léon rejects her and scoffs at everything she suggests. Her final attempt to reach him is to offer a deadly wager. She loads three bullets into her gun and spins the chamber. She tells Léon that if she survives "you will keep me with you always," and that if she dies, "you will shop alone like before." Léon tells her that she will lose because he heard the bullet in the chamber. Mathilda asks "what's it to you if I get a bullet in the head, huh? He replies "nothing." She pulls the trigger, but Léon jerks her hand away before it goes off. As she cries and Léon gasps for breath, he finally accepts her in his life.

In a very gradual process, Mathilda forces Léon to care for her and grow as a person. For the first time, he recognizes his own childishness and takes on more adult responsibilities as Mathilda's protector and teacher. Mathilda, in a loving home for the first time in her life, begins to break down her emotional prison and live as a child. She is able to laugh, play, and relax with Léon. In the end, he gave her everything she needed to regain her childhood and make a new start in life. She enabled him to relax his defenses and live a full life. He was happy and at peace when he died.

This dual growth of two children is what makes this a powerful and unique story. They were both headed down blind alleys in life, but true love provided an answer for both of them. There have been many films and stories about children softening the heart of a protective adult from Silas Mariner to Central do Brasil, but no other story I remember brought two such different, dysfunctional and destructive people to redemption.

Early films by Besson lacked the emotional development shown here. Nikita profited from the unconditional love of her bumbling grocer, but her escape was from him as much as from the organization paying her. Besson found a perfect formula in Léon with an angelic outcast who could carry his theme and used it again with Leeloo in The Fifth Element and with Joan in Messenger. This script was a labor of love for Besson. He did it as a favor for Jean Reno, gambled with a very young actress, and put a lot of emotional content into the story.

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Léon is an elaborate poetic fantasy about true love, isolation, and redemption. The character and power of the evil is exaggerated, the endangered child's beauty and vulnerability is pushed to an extreme, and her dangerous protector is unnaturally adept and selfless. At numerous points, echoes and restatements highlight the underlying points in the narrative. What follows is a list of elements repeated at least once for dramatic effect:


When Léon is finishing his work with the fatman, he asks the final question "do you understand?" The fatman replies "yeah," and Léon says "so say it." The fatman answers "I understand." When Mathilda puts on the dress that Léon bought for her and asks him if he likes it, he replies "yes." She then says, "so say it," and he answers "I like it."


Mathilda and the "Transformers"

-Mathilda changes channels -- Transformers - "Now it's my turn!"

-Her sister is hitting her -- Transformers - "Please don't shoot! Megatron! Megatron!"

-She turns on the TV in Léon's apartment and there is an explosive sound followed by one of the Transformers wheeling around pointing his weapon and the words "Don't you recognize me?" -- Léon wheels around and points his revolver in the same way as the TV character.

-Mathilda returns from seeing the outline of her brother's body in her old apartment -- Transformers - "I don't want to fight you but you leave me no choice."


After Léon has met Mathilda for the first time, he goes to a Gene Kelly movie and hears the following lines from a song: "love has made me see things in a different way." On his return from the movie, he offers the bleeding Mathilda his handkerchief and his honesty.


Prior to breaking the door of Mathilda's apartment, Oldman's character talks about Beethoven, rhapsodizing about his music. This echoed his role as Beethoven in Immortal Beloved that same year.


Several scenes are echoed in Léon's final words to Mathilda. Early on, Mathilda questions Léon, "you love your plant, don't you?" He replies that it "is his best friend, always happy, and see" (lifts it up) "it's just like me, no roots." Mathilda answers, "if you really love it, you should plant it in the middle of a park so it can have roots." Later, when she offers her life as a wager in Russian Roulette, she tells Léon, "if I win, you keep me with you forever." After Léon puts the plant and Mathilda into the shaft for their escape, she refuses to go because she knows that she will never see him again. He tells her that he will be able to escape and "I want to be happy, sleep in a bed, have roots. You will never be alone again, Mathilda." He made as clear a statement as he could that the plant was his representative and she acted on that belief at the end.


After Mathilda retrieves the money from her parent's apartment, she gives Léon $20,000 to kill Stansfield and his crew, but he refuses to take it. He tells her that "revenge is not good Mathilda. You have to sleep with one eye open for the rest of your life." After their one night together in bed, Mathilda asks him how he slept. He replied: "I never really sleep. I always keep one eye open." She quiped: "Oh yeah, I forgot. I never knew a person with one eye open snored so much."


The last hit Léon takes Mathilda on nearly results in her death. She had been standing in front of the door and their intended victim sprayed it with bullets. Léon asks him if he knows the ring trick and throws a grenade in the apartment. After it explodes, he shows the ring to Mathilda and says: "that is the ring trick." This is repeated when he hands Stansfield the ring from a live grenade as a present from Mathilda.


Shortly after their last hit together, Léon goes to visit Tony. He asks him if he remembers the girl he brought with him before. When he says yes, he asks Tony to give her all his money if something ever happened to him. He tells Tony: "her name is…Mathilda." When he hands Stansfield the ring from the grenade he paused in the same way before giving her name. He said: "this is from…Mathilda."

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The following is from an interview with Besson conducted by Richard Jobson and published in the Manchester Guardian on March 23, 2000:

[At Besson's request, the more usual format of half an hour of one-on-one interview then questions from the audience for the remaining 45 minutes was abandoned, and the interview consisted entirely of questions from the audience, with Richard Jobson managing proceedings.
Q: Can actors and actresses actually help with the writing? I remember reading the original notes for Leon and there was a lot of conflict with Natalie Portman's parents wanting things changed. Is it collaborative or do you just go in and change what you want?

RJ: So is it collaborative experience, or is Luc a fascist?

LB: I think that I am a collaborative fascist. With Natalie it was different, she was only 11-years-old and Leon was her first film. And it's about a young girl who takes guns and shoots everywhere, so her parents were very scared, they didn't know me very well. So I think that's why they were on my back for a few weeks.

Later, the relationship was good and they trusted me so it was fine. The funny thing was Natalie. Obviously at 11 she didn't smoke, she was against it. She was already responsible. She said: "I don't want to show kids that I am smoking."

So I said: OK, what about showing them that you quit?" She said: "OK." And I said: "But to show that you quit, you have to show that you were smoking." So we made this deal were we showed her smoking at the beginning and then she quit for Leon.

RJ: I remember interviewing you at the time of the film and you got really pissed off with me because I kept on at you about subject of the relationship between the Jean Reno character and Natalie's character and you said to me: "Well it's your interpretation that there's something sexual there, it's not in the film." Do you still stand by that?

LB: Yes.

RJ: And is that why you felt you needed to change the film with the director's cut?

LB: No, I'm not responsible for what people think. The story is about two kids, a girl and a boy. They're both 12 years old, in their minds, and they're both lost and they love each other. And the rest is just your problem.The most important line for me in Léon is the one we've just seen [obviously from the conscience scene in Messenger] where her conscience says to her "you didn't see what it was, you saw what you wanted to see".

That's always the dilemma. Either you believe her or you don't. Maybe she has seen something but nobody else has seen it? You can ask yourself questions all night like: "If God wants to stop the war why doesn't he just show up in the middle of the battlefield? " That would be perfect. He's just shown up, he's saying: "I'm here, don't fight." I think that no one would fight, everyone would be down on their knees saying "oh my God".

RJ: And the idea that small people can change things. Small people can become big people?

LB: It's always the small people who change things. It's never the politicians or the big guys. I mean, who pulled down the Berlin wall? It was all the people in the streets. The specialists didn't have a clue the day before. If you read the newspaper a few days before...nothing...no one was talking about it. And even the French revolution, we just said "That's enough", and took the king.
The famous line about the French king was that he didn't even know what was going on. He said: "Is it a revolt?" And the other guy said: "No, it's a revolution." The king was thinking it was nothing.

RJ: Something we've never had here.

Q: What do you think of directors repeating themselves, and why did you feel the need to do a director's cut?

LB: Let me remember why...I was happy with the first one, it was mine, my director's cut, no one asked me to cut it. But at the same time you still have 25 minutes that nobody has seen. I think it was the beginning of the summer; in the summer France is like a desert, the people are on the beach, but there are some poor guys who stay in the cities to work, so we decided to make a long version, an extended version, to play in a just a few theatres for the people who stayed. Why are you laughing? It's true!


RJ: It's totally ridiculous.

LB: No, it's true. So we had like five screens and people loved it and sent their friends and then the Japanese called and said: "We want the long version, please."

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Léon is a film about Léon's true (paternal) love for Mathilda and how it gave him a reason to live and redeemed her life. While Besson treats sex as an amoral pleasure in life in Nikita and Big Blue, and plainly showed Mathilda as a seductress in his original script for Léon, he removed it from his final script and there is never any question that Léon would succumb. He originally sought an older girl for the part, and removed the seductive aspect entirely in order to have the eleven-year-old Natalie Portman play the part. He made fundamental changes to the way the script developed to achieve an entirely different vision of her, namely, that of a child fantasizing about things she wasn't ready for. In the original script, for example, she tricks Léon into coming into the bathroom while she is naked, places his hand on her stomach to feel how hot it was, asks for a restaurant kiss with some tongue in it, and removes her panties and climbs into his lap to straddle him in her final seduction. His younger Mathilda was innocent of these maneuvers; her true love never goes beyond wanting Léon to take her with him and to tell her that he loves her. Natalie's Mathilda is exploring her fantasy about being an adult in love, and Léon's nonresponse and general trustworthiness gives her a lot of room to act out her fantasy, but she is not lusting after his body so much as wanting proof that he loves her back. Far from being crestfallen when he turns down her offer of sex, she appears noncommittal if not relieved about it. She treats him like a giant stuffed toy when she gets him to sleep with her.

When Natalie set down the rules for appearing in "Léon," Besson came up with symbolic ways to emphasize her sexuality as a main component in his depiction of her vulnerability. His book about the film has a series of pictures showing Natalie dressed in different costumes. The one chosen as her final outfit was the only one that made her look sexy as opposed to just a child. She is always dressed in either a short skirt or dress, or short shorts The first shot does indeed show the child behind bars, as it were, but it also showed her straddling a post and leaning back in a way that emphasized her breasts (supposedly to hide the cigarette) as Léon came up to the landing. The scene where she lay with her arms spread on the bed and told Léon that she loved him was just as powerful as in the original script. Instead of having him place his hand on her stomach, his reaction looking alternately across her and at her as she did so, and his sigh while leaning against the wall after leaving the apartment, accomplished the same thing. Among other suggestive scenes are the following:

Mathilda smoking

Holding two fingers of Léon's hand when she is laying in bed and thanking him for his kindness

Léon's and Mathilda's constant cleaning and handling of long barreled handguns

Telling Léon that she needed to be watered like his plant if he wanted her to grow

Her choices of Madonna and Marilyn Monroe in their charades game

Mathilda putting her finger and then the hotel desk pen in its holder and pushing it back and forth, telling the clerk that Léon is actually her lover, and her coquettish goodbye

Her attempt to kiss Léon in the restaurant and her repeated assertions of love

Stansfield trapping Mathilda alongside a row of urinals in a men's washroom, pulling his gun out as he approached her, using his thumb to pull down her lower lip, and pushing her head around with his revolver

Wearing the dress that Léon bought for her and using makeup in conjunction with her offer of sex

The final script for Léon is saturated with sex and death, but draws a sharp distinction between Mathilda's vulnerabilities and her experiences, and between her desires and her needs. Besson never forgets she is a child. Léon preserves her life and her innocence despite and because of his life of violence and insularity. Mathilda ends the picture safe and at peace because a lost, illiterate, and dangerous man loved her more than the nuclear family that should have protected her. Far from endorsing pedophilia or violence, it suggests that a natural morality and unselfish love can save a child from them despite her risky behavior and his unsuitable lifestyle.

The original screenplay had Mathilda learn to shoot by killing a man on a park bench with the rifle. Later she kills a boy in a game of Russian roulette, and finally kills herself and Stansfield in an explosion. Natalie refused to be shown killing people, but with the possible exception of the ending, I think the changes made the film more powerful rather than less so. Early on, in a conversation with the school matron asking about why Mathilda wasn't at school, Mathilda replies, "She's dead." Léon's readiness to put a bullet in her head while she slept echoed his refusal to keep her with him as his housekeeper and his later reply of "Nothing" when she asked, "What's it to you if I put a bullet in my head?" She had no desire to live without his love and he had no desire to have her disrupt his life. Her complete despair of life stands out for me as her spiritual nadir equivalent to Léon's regression back into childhood. After she wakes up from her first night in Léon's apartment and is arguing that they should be a team, both examples she chose (Thelma and Louise & Bonnie & Clyde) died sudden violent deaths after short partnerships.

Léon's willingness to preserve her life drives the picture. He pulls back from either letting her die or taking her life on three occasions before he really becomes invested in her survival and saves her three more times out of a deep and uncompromising love for her. His new relationship begins with his view of her face after her near death by machine gun. When he shelters her from his grenade and shows her the ring, he sees a brave but scared little girl for the first time. Up until then, he looked at his hits as a game of death they both could share; after that he refused to take her with him and arranged for her future. I don't believe he ever started caring about or believing in a future for himself beyond protecting her life. His request to Tony anticipated his own death and his choice of weapons at the end (a bunch of grenades) made me think that he was aware of Stansfield's presence and gambling on a chance to kill him.

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Very beautifully said and explained; it's interesting in the close analysis of the story how these things are more clearly seen then they may appear at first.

It's DAMN true that Mathilda is constantly shown to US the audience as very sexy and attractive, but as you say it never shows Leon's interest in her that way. Very good too how you bring out that all the 'sexuality' depicted is really from Mathilda's own perspective and in the way she is trying to be an 'adult' or how she feels an adult version of herself should be. It's clearer now why many people jump to the conclusion that Besson is portraying something 'improper' between them whilst they are missing the point and the perspective from which this is truly coming from, which is Mathilda herself.

NICE thread, BTW. I know it's 4 1/2 years old, but it provides some excellent analysis and insights into this outstanding film!


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This thread is long. I think I'll just reply to this post I've been linked to, rather than go through the entire thread.

Another interpretation for Leon is that it's about the conflicts of humanity. Love vs violence, animal instinct vs higher reasoning.

Leon has a traumatic past. What his life was like before his tragic love affair of his youth is unknown, but considering his father's profession and his own reaction to his lover's death, it's probable that he came from a childhood where emotions were expressed through violence rather than affection.

He spends 20 odd years living a life of pure violence and emotional isolation and repression.

When Mathilda enters his life, is his reaction loving and paternal?
Think:
- he is conflicted about letting her into his apartment. He has an easier time preparing to shoot one of the bad guys through his door than he does opening the door to let Mathilda in.
- he tries to throw her out after the first night.
- he considers killing her in his sleep.
- he never hugs her or says anything kind (although he does play the game with the pig puppet).
- he almost lets her shoot herself. He physically stops her at the last moment when simply saying something loving would have stopped her.
- he takes her into his job, killing people in front of her (or at least while she's in the room).
- when she propositions him, he says that he wouldn't be a good lover, and he talks about his tragic past love.

All of this suggests that his love for Mathilda was not necessarily paternal or platonic, at least not exclusively. He may in fact have desired her as a lover but remained unable to express himself in an affectionate way. He can hurt and kill, but he cannot hug and *beep*.

And if he really was so young inside, a 14 year old or 12 year old mentally as Besson and others have said, why would he have felt the need to be paternal? What 14 year old boy feels paternal about pretty 12 year old girls?

His choices at the end also suggest he is a man wanting but unable to express affection and left with violence as his only outlet. He cannot give Mathilda life affirming love, but he can save her from violence and death. There is also a sexual symbolism in the way he explodes to protect Mathilda, his final, sacrificial, act: a lifetime of emotional repression finally being released.

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Another interpretation for Leon is that it's about the conflicts of humanity. Love vs violence, animal instinct vs higher reasoning.
Besson does not do commentaries precisely for this reason. A poor film will merely exploit a common point af view, a good one will offer subtle variations allowing broader interpretation, and a great film offers a multitude of possible symbolic references/interpretations. In Besson's 1995 book about the film, he noted the the multiplicity of symbolic interpretations was what excited him about the film.

His book and later comments from those working on the project also note that the original release to a test audience in Los Angeles did not include the approximately 20 minutes where they went on hits together. Without this midsection, you see the story arc of the closed-off hitman move from simply wanting to get rid of her to warning her against his lifestyle, to finally protecting her from harm and pursuit by severing her from his life and death and taking Stansfield out in the process.

Perhaps in your family or group it was different, but in my own and in many others I've known it is fairly typical for older or more responsible kids to take responibility for younger kids or those less able to cope, much as a parent would. As for how a 14 year old boy treats a pretty 12-year-old girl, I think it very much depends on the boy.

The worst problem this movie has is with men and boys who become fixated on a twelve-year-old as a desirable sex object rather than as a child dressing inappropriately and lost in fantasies that could ruin her life. All that these people can imagine is that she really wants and needs sex. This internal projection/presumption then gets blamed on Besson and they often read a similar desire into the behavior of the hitman.

All I know is that there is no evidence in the film, or from Besson Reno or Portman in articles they wrote in 1995, to support this allegation. Besson described his childhood as being the ugly reminder of a failed marriage. His only outlet for love as a child was with dolphins at sea, animals that had no interst in sexual love but otherwise gave affection freely and with no strings attached. It seems more likely that Mathilda, at least in part, was an avatar for Besson himself and the hitman took on part of the dolphin's role.

It seems that many of Besson's films represent characters lost in childhood, unable and unwilling to cope in the adult human bureaucratic/competitive world. Perhaps this also partially explains why Besson relates better to younger women.

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Perhaps in your family or group it was different, but in my own and in many others I've known it is fairly typical for older or more responsible kids to take responibility for younger kids or those less able to cope, much as a parent would. As for how a 14 year old boy treats a pretty 12-year-old girl, I think it very much depends on the boy.


When the filmmakers refer to Leon as being 12/14, it's said to show he is not a paedophile. He can't both be mentally her age and her father.
When I asked about 14 (or 12) year old boys being paternal to pretty 12 year old girls (peers) I was being rhetorical. They don't feel paternal. They feel romantic interest. Any boy hitting puberty and wanting to play daddy to girls his age would seem to be quite disturbed. Or does that depend on the boy?

The worst problem this movie has is with men and boys who become fixated on a twelve-year-old as a desirable sex object rather than as a child dressing inappropriately and lost in fantasies that could ruin her life. All that these people can imagine is that she really wants and needs sex. This internal projection/presumption then gets blamed on Besson and they often read a similar desire into the behavior of the hitman.


Are you implying that I want to have sex with the 12 year old Mathilda, or would like to see Leon do so?
I don't have an opinion on it. I know that when I was 12 I had a shadow of lust inside me, slowly growing. I didn't have much interest in girls then. I also know that the idea of middle aged adults, or really anyone more than a few years older, having sex with someone just starting puberty seems seedy.
Yet the world is complex and I know my limitations, so I don't judge one way or another.

What I would argue is that Mathilda really wanted and needed love. Everyone does. The love she wanted from Leon didn't have to be romantic, but it could have been without progressing to penetrative sex. Had he survived and the two of them ran away together, they may well have started a romantic relationship that never progressed physically beyond kissing, or perhaps not even that far. Within a few years it could have progressed to sex. The age gap would be the same but she would have become a woman, at least physically, and by that time they could have a deep and loving bond. Besson repeatedly had relationships with girls that age, and Maiwenn Le Besco says she knew him from 12, so this isn't entirely unrealistic a view to have of this film. In the special features, Maiwenn describes the film as her story. Besson may not agree with that, but it would be strange that he would allow such statements to appear with the movie if he objected.

It seems more likely that Mathilda, at least in part, was an avatar for Besson himself and the hitman took on part of the dolphin's role.


You're getting things backwards. We're not discussing what Leon was to Mathilda, but rather what Mathilda was to Leon.
Did he see her as a daughter, or an unattainable lover? My points in the previous post all suggest the latter, and since you ignored them all I'm guessing you grudgingly agree.

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When I asked about 14 (or 12) year old boys being paternal to pretty 12 year old girls (peers) I was being rhetorical. They don't feel paternal. They feel romantic interest. Any boy hitting puberty and wanting to play daddy to girls his age would seem to be quite disturbed. Or does that depend on the boy?
You seem very definite about what people must be feeling and moving from a specific to a general comment. Kids are quite capable of responding in a paternal way to a peer who seems to have lost it or to be imbalanced in some way, whether it be a boy or a girl. Many parents use teenagers as babysitters because their additional years of experience warrants this faith. Empathy will encourage many to tread lightly and to warn or protect someone who is about to do something very stupid because of the mood they are in. Mathilda was very much that kind of a lost child. She had quit school and was trying to escape her existence as a child in some grand adult adventure. Protecting someone in that state from harming themselves is not at all the same thing as saying such a person will treat every girl as his child.
Besson repeatedly had relationships with girls that age, and Maiwenn Le Besco says she knew him from 12, so this isn't entirely unrealistic a view to have of this film. In the special features, Maiwenn describes the film as her story. Besson may not agree with that, but it would be strange that he would allow such statements to appear with the movie if he objected.
You are again jumping to wild conclusions. Based on the fact that Maiwenn said that she knew him at twelve, you conclude that Besson repeatedly had relationships with girls that age. Elle Fanning can problably reel off a whole bunch of adult men she knows because of her more famous sister or her own film experience. That doesn't imply that all those men she could name had romanitc feelings for her or other girls her age. As for the rest, Besson doesn't do commentaries, so you have no basis for assuming that he agreed or disagreed with her. What I do know is that he made no mention of her or her story in his article about how he came to write it the way he did. What I do know about her is that she is fascinated with herself, going so far as creating a movie about herself with her (and Besson's) daughter playing a younger version of herself. I also know that success with anything brings many who want to claim they were responsible for part of it.

My points in the previous post all suggest the latter, and since you ignored them all I'm guessing you grudgingly agree.
Here you go again jumping to conclusions. I responded to your list with my own shorter summary of what I saw as his progression from a repressed desire to be rid of her to preserving her life and trying to help her in a parental way. As with others, if you are determined to see romance, you will see romance.

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You seem very definite about what people must be feeling and moving from a specific to a general comment. Kids are quite capable of responding in a paternal way to a peer who seems to have lost it or to be imbalanced in some way, whether it be a boy or a girl. Many parents use teenagers as babysitters because their additional years of experience warrants this faith. Empathy will encourage many to tread lightly and to warn or protect someone who is about to do something very stupid because of the mood they are in. Mathilda was very much that kind of a lost child. She had quit school and was trying to escape her existence as a child in some grand adult adventure. Protecting someone in that state from harming themselves is not at all the same thing as saying such a person will treat every girl as his child.


I don't think I've ever known a 12 year old to be babysat by a 12 year old. Maybe 12 by 14, but it's pretty weird unless there are other younger siblings involved.
Also, and this is important, you don't get 14 year old boys hired to look after 12 year old girls. Think about why.
Just because someone doesn't take advantage of a peer for sex, doesn't make their affection and love paternal. It can be romantic and selfless.

In fact that may be part of what held Leon back. Apart from his problems expressing affection because of his violent damaged life, he may have been holding back because he felt he was too old. But that still means he was resisting being romantic with her, rather than feeling paternal towards her.

You are again jumping to wild conclusions. Based on the fact that Maiwenn said that she knew him at twelve, you conclude that Besson repeatedly had relationships with girls that age. Elle Fanning can problably reel off a whole bunch of adult men she knows because of her more famous sister or her own film experience. That doesn't imply that all those men she could name had romanitc feelings for her or other girls her age. As for the rest, Besson doesn't do commentaries, so you have no basis for assuming that he agreed or disagreed with her. What I do know is that he made no mention of her or her story in his article about how he came to write it the way he did. What I do know about her is that she is fascinated with herself, going so far as creating a movie about herself with her (and Besson's) daughter playing a younger version of herself. I also know that success with anything brings many who want to claim they were responsible for part of it.


You didn't follow what I said.
I'll make it clearer.
Mathilda was 12.
Hypothetically, if she ran away with Leon, in a few years she would be 15.
Besson was with Maiwenn when she was 15.

I didn't say he was with her at 12. But he knew her at 12. She was dating one of his friends, which is a disturbing idea in itself. Either he was friends with someone her age, or he had an adult friend who was dating a 12 year old.
You can't have it both ways with Maiwenn. You've cited her positivity about Besson and their continued friendship as proof that he's a good guy, yet now you're saying she's not credible when she says that Leon echoes her relationship with Besson.

Here you go again jumping to conclusions. I responded to your list with my own shorter summary of what I saw as his progression from a repressed desire to be rid of her to preserving her life and trying to help her in a parental way. As with others, if you are determined to see romance, you will see romance.


What you said about Leon's actions didn't show anything paternal. Several of his actions can be interpreted, e.g. when he chases off the boy outside Tony's. Concerned dad or jealous boyfriend?
All the actions you described can be interpreted either way. I don't see how any of the bullet points I made can be interpreted as paternal. Show me how they can. He was a repressed lover, not a father figure.

You can't possibly disagree that he was repressed. No girlfriend for over 20 years, living alone, a life of extreme violence. Not to mention his attachment to his plant. He even risks his life to protect the plant during the assault on his apartment.
So definitely repressed.

So repressed father figure or repressed lover? Address the bullet points. Show me how those are fatherly actions. Don't just give an overview of the plot and say "therefore, father". It doesn't make sense.

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I don't think I've ever known a 12 year old to be babysat by a 12 year old. Maybe 12 by 14, but it's pretty weird unless there are other younger siblings involved.
Also, and this is important, you don't get 14 year old boys hired to look after 12 year old girls. Think about why.
Just because someone doesn't take advantage of a peer for sex, doesn't make their affection and love paternal. It can be romantic and selfless.
As you yourself acknowledged earlier, Léon was supposed to be at the level of a fourteen or fifteen-year-old, according to all sources. And though you apparently don't believe it is possible, there are teen girls who watch over younger boys and teen boys who watch over younger girls. Maybe your personal experience has been different, but many older children are capable of watching a younger child without attempting to seduce them. Being forced to watch a younger child might more typically drive the older kid into believing he or she had been punished as opposed being invited to free sex. Chances are much better that the older boy would be obsessed with a girl his own age or older and younger girls would be despised as beneath his notice. A generally shapeless 12-year-old isn't what most people would consider an ideal sex partner. Most public libraries in the country allow younger children to attend the library if they are accompanied by an older child, because it is quite common for parents to put a younger child under an older child who will be responsible for its welfare as a surrogate parent, no romance anticipated or normally encountered.

Otherwise, as for Maiwenn, you said: "Besson repeatedly had relationships with girls that age." I replied that there is no evidence that he had a relationship with anyone else that young and that Maiwenn sought him out (at 16. When Maiwenn was 15, Besson was attending press conferences and awards programs relating to Nikita with his wife Anne Parillaud and Maiwenn was going to press conferences for her 1991 film La Gamine.

As for Maiwenn's credibility, I don't know the truth but I do know a great deal about purported sources for the story prior to her very late claim ten years later and that she has a history of self-aggrandizement. What she said in the interview was that it was certainly possible for a child of 13 to fall in love with and pursue an adult because she did that herself. The issue we were discussing is whether Besson was typically (your words: "Besson repeatedly had relationships with girls that age.") seeking out underage girls for relationships. There is no evidence for that. Every woman Besson had a relationship with was of legal age and looked like a full grown woman and all were professionals with their own careers and income.

As I also said, if you want to see romance or sex, you will see romance or sex. I'm not going to argue what MUST be behind each individual scene you are attracted to anymore than I would attempt to convince you that what you saw in Rorschach ink blots was really something else. What I argued in my summary (and BTW, what was noted in Reno's article about what his character thought and would have done if he had survived and they had stayed together) was that he had no romantic interest in her at all. He treated her gently and loved her as a child who needed to be somewhere else in order to survive.

Finally, this will be my last reply as we are not getting anywhere with this discussion. Make of that what you will. I will not reply again.

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As you yourself acknowledged earlier, Léon was supposed to be at the level of a fourteen or fifteen-year-old, according to all sources. And though you apparently don't believe it is possible, there are teen girls who watch over younger boys and teen boys who watch over younger girls. Maybe your personal experience has been different, but many older children are capable of watching a younger child without attempting to seduce them. Being forced to watch a younger child might more typically drive the older kid into believing he or she had been punished as opposed being invited to free sex. Chances are much better that the older boy would be obsessed with a girl his own age or older and younger girls would be despised as beneath his notice. A generally shapeless 12-year-old isn't what most people would consider an ideal sex partner. Most public libraries in the country allow younger children to attend the library if they are accompanied by an older child, because it is quite common for parents to put a younger child under an older child who will be responsible for its welfare as a surrogate parent, no romance anticipated or normally encountered.


As you yourself posted earlier in this thread:

"LB: No, I'm not responsible for what people think. The story is about two kids, a girl and a boy. They're both 12 years old, in their minds, and they're both lost and they love each other."

In the special features, he's referred to as 14. I didn't hear 15 anywhere. Don't bump the age up.
Look at the Besson quote. Two twelve year olds who love each other.
That rules out paternal. It's platonic or romantic. Maybe a mix of the two.

It's interesting that you repeatedly talk about free sex and seduction. Do you consider being left alone with someone you find attractive as an invitation to have sex? Free sex no less? No money exchanged?! I think most people would at least expect to pay for sex when they're left alone in a room with someone they find attractive. I'm being a bit too sardonic now.
I mean, I specifically said that "Just because someone doesn't take advantage of a peer for sex, doesn't make their affection and love paternal. It can be romantic and selfless."
Doesn't take advantage. Doesn't have sex. You're a bit twisted dude.

Otherwise, as for Maiwenn, you said: "Besson repeatedly had relationships with girls that age." I replied that there is no evidence that he had a relationship with anyone else that young and that Maiwenn sought him out (at 16. When Maiwenn was 15, Besson was attending press conferences and awards programs relating to Nikita with his wife Anne Parillaud and Maiwenn was going to press conferences for her 1991 film La Gamine.


You're ruling out that they were together when she was 15 because he was married to someone else. That's rather extraordinary.
How old was Milla Jovavich when he met her? Maiwenn was in The Fifth Element, engaged to Besson, and they had a 2 year old child together. Do you think Besson started seeing Milla before he split with Maiwenn?
Milla was the same age as Maiwenn. He was with her only a few years after Maiwenn, and it started while he was still with Maiwenn. So no, Maiwenn is not the only girl half his age, a few years past 12, that he's been with. Two documented. How many others?
He repeatedly casts tall waifs with angular androgynous faces in his films. Does he sleep with any of them, or is it purely a celluloid fetish now? If he doesn't exploit his position of power to bed women anymore, at what point do you think he stopped doing so? If I want to jump right off the gossip cliff, I could suggest that he has essentially quit directing because producing makes it so much easier to focus on bedding the young girls he puts in his movies. But we don't need to go that far.
But still, you ignore the issue of cheating, selfishness and shallowness. He wasn't just dating Maiwenn, but engaged and with a kid. They had a family together. She was in his latest movie. He leaves her for the star of that new movie. Forget their ages; how is it okay to treat people like that?

As for Maiwenn's credibility, I don't know the truth but I do know a great deal about purported sources for the story prior to her very late claim ten years later and that she has a history of self-aggrandizement.

Okay, so don't cite Maiwenn as a credible source for Besson being a good guy.

As I also said, if you want to see romance or sex, you will see romance or sex. I'm not going to argue what MUST be behind each individual scene you are attracted to anymore than I would attempt to convince you that what you saw in Rorschach ink blots was really something else. What I argued in my summary (and BTW, what was noted in Reno's article about what his character thought and would have done if he had survived and they had stayed together) was that he had no romantic interest in her at all. He treated her gently and loved her as a child who needed to be somewhere else in order to survive.


You just did precisely what I asked you not to do. You ignored the specifics, gave a summary of the movie, and concluded his love was paternal.
You also threw in that I was "attracted" to the scenes I mentioned. You bring up Rorschach ink blots again. You're saying that it's my perception that Leon saw Mathilda as a potential lover, that it's my attraction to her that I'm portraying onto him.

Why would he almost kill her in her sleep? That is not loving or paternal.
Why would he bring her along with him to kill people? That is not loving or paternal.
Why would he turn down her offer of sex by saying he wouldn't be a good lover, then regaling her with his romantic history? That is frustrated loving, but not paternal. That is the way people talk to each other when they are potential lovers. It would be incredibly bizarre to hear a father talk to his daughter that way.
All the bullet points I made show he wasn't paternal towards her. If I watch the film again, I'm sure I can find a few other moments where there is no room for interpretation.
If your point of view was valid, you could be specific. You refuse. Your silence is surrender.

You talk of the symbolism and multiple interpretations of the film, and that Besson does not do commentary. Yet you keep falling back to comments made by Besson and the cast to defend your interpretation. It's a strange contradiction.

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Léon strongly resembles a medieval romance, in the descriptions of the main characters, action sequences, and basic plot. Léon is a typical knight in his origins, sponsorship, fealty to Tony, training, armor, profound humility, and in his devotion to his true love. Mathilda, thinking of herself as fully-grown at twelve, giving free reign to her emotions and desires, and encompassing both angelic beauty and imperious behavior, has all the characteristics of a medieval upper-class maiden. Stansfield, and his absurd complement of guns, goons, and police officers fits the adversarial mode common in medieval legends. As with the early myths, the narrative makes no sense except as a vehicle for praising the strength, bravery, and steadfastness of Léon and the transforming power of his true love for Mathilda. Besson puts his emphasis on the choreography of violence and on the emotional development of his knight and maiden. The medieval legendary world matches Léon's environment of treachery, alien lands, fantastic villains, and virtue triumphant.

A girl was considered to be an adult at the age of twelve in early medieval times; she was deemed able to choose marriage for herself and have that contract be binding. She was also seen as the wanton sex and an instrument of the devil. Knights were focused on their obligations and many of the stories tell of men running from the lust of young women. All of the surviving literature, of course, is from literary men and male clerics. Early marriages were only common among a relatively small group of wealthy people. The average age of marriage was still in the mid-twenties for both men and women. Young girls married as children because that was the way property was exchanged and maintained. I imagine that women were seen as capricious and wanton because they sometimes, like Juliet, fought the marriages arranged for them or otherwise messed with the male control of their lives. It was the girl's job to accomplish and support the pre-ordained match. Her protestations of love at that age were less about sex than change of station. As the Lady of a fine estate, she would have the only power available to women at that time. Eileen Power, in her book Medieval Women, put it this way:

The worst abuses of the system were confined to higher ranks of society and to earlier centuries of the Middle Ages. Advantages given to women as landowners outweighed the disadvantages in an age in which marriage was a business contract in all classes of society and child marriage the rule rather than exception.
Within the context of medieval romance and Léon, the young woman is powerful, willful, and a dangerous trap. She held power and allure as a beauty and as a representative of a large estate in medieval times. The knight was also threatened by her desire to have him and whatever estate he might attain, afraid to alienate her, and anxious to avoid the wrath of her father if he disapproved. As Eileen Power puts it:
In it the lady stood in a position of superiority towards her lover as uncontested as the position of inferiority in which a wife stood towards her husband…He must not only bear himself with the utmost humility towards her, showing infinite patience in the trials to which her caprices and disdains must (by all the rules) submit him, but must strive unceasingly to make himself worthy of her by the cultivation of all the knightly virtues…Love was often platonic in the accepted sense of the term, and in fact had much in common with the true platonic conception of love, in that it made love a source of infinite spiritual possibilities.
In Léon, Mathilda threatens Léon's safety and security and he is constantly avoiding the consequences of her desires for love and revenge. Besson's unique contribution to this formula lay in Léon's own unspoken need for love, Mathilda's emotional wasteland and kinship with Léon, and in the way his true platonic love story redeemed two lost souls.

Mathilda's beauty, her provocative dress, and her frank requests for love raised the stakes within Besson's story, but she was never leered at or sexually abused anywhere in the film. More importantly, for all her affirmations of love, she never shows an interest in his body. She tells Léon that he would be her first lover and the story works as well as it does because his love is platonic and her love was the immature desire of a child. When she finally gets him to sleep with her, she arranges his body on the bed with him lying face up. She curls up by his side and wraps his arm around her in the same way she held his pig glove at the beginning of the movie. When talking about the camera lingering over Portman's body, Besson used the example of a young girl in a chocolate advertisement. The young girl's beauty is appealing, no more no less. Natalie Portman's performance evoked awe at her beauty, concern for her vulnerability, and empathy for her emotional state. The point of the film was to show how true love and trust restored her childhood and helped Léon regain his life. Any hint of a sexual relationship between them would have stolen her childhood, changed Léon's character, and ruined the movie.

Even though there are many good things in this movie, it is a man's film, and shows little respect for women as equals. Women in Léon and in the medieval romances are controlled or handled, not respected for their judgment. Besson's heroines are all volatile quantities that must be managed. Nikita is drug from one situation to another. She has to be tamed by Bob and threatened with death before she can leave the academy. When Léon first asks Tony for money, Tony looks surprised and says: "You met a woman. Léon, you've got to be careful with women…when you first came here you were already in deep sh[/i]it because of a woman." Léon twice tells Mathilda "no discussion," and both he and Korben Dallas have to cajole their women to do what is necessary in the end.

Léon's knightly dress and behavior

From the Prologue in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales as translated by Nevill Coghill:

He was of sovereign value in all eyes.
And though much distinguished, he was wise
And his bearing modest as a maid.
He never yet a boorish thing had said
In all his life to any, come what might;
He was a true, a perfect gentle-knight.
Speaking of his equipment, he possessed
Fine horses, but he was not gaily dressed.
He wore a fustian tunic stained and dark
With smudges where his armour had left mark;
Mathilda's avowal of love and Léon's response that he would make a poor lover

From the British legend King Horn, comes the story of a youth whose parents were killed in a distant land and he was left drifting in a boat. A king rescued him and raised him in his court until he became a famous knight. The king's young daughter Rymenhild has fallen in love with him and commands his presence in her chamber.

Rymenhild took him by the hand, and led him to where she was sitting; she offered him wine to drink, and then she put her arms around his neck and kissed him as often as she wished. "Horn," she said, "have pity on me and promise to be mine. I will be your wife, and no one shall oppose my wish."

Horn thought quickly how he should answer her. "Christ guard you and give you joy of your husband wherever he may be; I am too lowly for a lady such as you. I come from a family of servants, and I am your father's foundling; it would be against Nature for us to marry.


Bevis of Hampton tells the story of a boy exiled from his home by his Mother. The Mother had killed his Father in preference for a new love. After Bevis attacks the man, she orders that he be sold to a pagan ship. A pagan merchant gave him as a gift to his king who raised him as a soldier in his household. The king had a young and beautiful daughter named Josian who so loved Bevis that she offered herself to him, but he rejected her until she converted to his faith. Her intense love for him caused him to be imprisoned after he kissed her and was reported for it.

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight tells of a chaste knight responding to a challenge. He is besieged by the Lady of the house.

"My young body is yours,
Do with it what you will;
My strong necessities force
Me to be your servant still."

"In good sooth," then said Gawain, "good luck is mine,
Though I am hardly the hero of whom you speak.
I am altogether unworthy, I own it freely,
To be held in such honour as you here suggest.
By God, I should be glad if you gave me leave
To essay, by speech or some other service…"

(Much later he is still avoiding the issue)

LXXI
For that peerless princess pressed him so hotly,
So invited him to the very verge, that he felt forced
Either to allow her love or blackguardly rebuff her.
His courtesy was in question, lest he be called caitiff,
But more especially for his evil plight if he should plunge into sin,
And dishonor the owner of the house treacherously.
Léon crying out before the swat team grenade hits, and his death

The following combination of quotes comes from The Song of Roland translated by Dorothy Sayers. This is a magnificent French epic poem written at the end of the eleventh century about a real battle in 778. Roland and his troops are about to be wiped out by superior forces and Roland is blowing his trumpet.

134
The County Roland with pain and anguish winds
His Olifant, and blows with all his might.
Blood from his mouth comes spurting scarlet-bright
He's burst the veins of his temples outright.

(despite the odds, a grievously wounded Roland survives the battle, but collapses)

168
Now Roland feels that he is at death's door;
Out of his ears the brain is running forth.

Face downward there on the green grass he falls,
And swoons away…

169
A Saracen is there, watching him keenly;
He has feigned death, and lies among his people,

Now in his rage and in his overweening
He falls on Roland, his arms and body seizing;
He saith one word: "Now Carlon's nephew's beaten.
I'll take his sword, to Araby I'll reive it."
But as he draws it Roland comes to, and feels him.

170
Roland has felt his good sword being stol'n;
Opens his eyes and speaks this word alone:
"Thou'rt none of ours, in so far as I know."
He takes his horn, of which he kept fast hold,
And smites the helm, which was all gemmed with gold;
He breaks the steel and the scalp and the bone,
And from his head batters his eyes out both,
And dead on ground he lays the villain low;

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First, I also love the "so say it" echo and included it as the first item in my echoes and restatements post in this thread. As for Mathilda, I think she is a composite of characters. In This Gun for Hire, the hitman is stopped by a little girl on the stairs after committing murder in an apartment above her. They have a short conversation where he exhibits an unusual tenderness than underlines his story within the film. Besson also uses the gasmask gimmick from the end of that old classic. Mathilda is almost a perfect match in looks and actions, however for Velda in Aldrich's Kiss Me Deadly http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0048261/combined. Look at the picture of her in her striped top with her belly showing that appears on that page. Velda is steaming with sexuality and drags her body next to if not against the detective she loves throughout the film but he leaves her unfulfilled in his or her apartment every time. Lastly, there was a European adult comic in the 1980s called Ranxerox which is about a halfhuman killing machine who carried a preteen sexpot named Lubna with him on his adventures in mayhem. I am willing to bet that Besson had them all in mind as well as his Nikita when he wrote the first script for his friend Jean Reno. The main things he added, however, were his personal takes on isolation, the redeeming power of true love, and choosing oblivion rather than compromising that vision of bliss.

When he settled for a younger actress who along with her parents refused to support the sex and death within his original script, he opted for a medieval fantasy approach instead of a noir take on it. At least that is what I see. The medieval fantasy is chockful of sensuality and of young lustful girls, but the effect on the knight is one of spiritual growth built from all the tests and demands the loved one puts him through. There is no actual sex in it most of the time because the knight protects his reckless innocent from a loss of honor.

I have no problem at all accepting that even younger girls than Natalie Portman's Mathilda have real sexual desires, and I think some of that in the film is shown. Her Mathilda, however, is largely building her sexual approach on pop models and movies. She wants a kiss "like in the movies." Her sensual charades were of Marilyn Monroe and Madonna. She is not sensually tantalizing Léon or stroking his body the way Velda did or the way Besson's original Mathilda acted. She can talk the talk but not yet walk the walk and Besson never suggests that any male in the film except perhaps the boy she bums a cigarette off of thinks she is ready for sex. Léon's reaction to the boy is that of a protective Father. I don't see her as sexually mature, even in relation to Léon who had been having a sexual fling with his girlfriend as a teenager. She definitely is hunting him, but still in a way where he becomes her man rather than satisfying a burning sexual hunger.

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Like you and I expect many here, I only discovered Besson and this film within the last four years. I picked it up after seeing Jean Reno in Ronin. Here are some other French titles with similar fantastic if not plainly surrealistic takes on somewhat similar themes:

Cité des enfants perdus, La [City of Lost Children] http://www.imdb.com/Details?0112682 embodies a child's nightmare vision of adult incoherence, unlimited cruelty, fragility, strength, betrayal, and trust with outstanding music, sets, special effects, acting, and costumes. The story begins with Santa Claus coming in a child's house down a rope through the fireplace carrying a small toy. Soon, however, another Santa comes, and then another and another, surrounding the child and picking up its things. The terrified child begins to scream and thus begins our introduction to a mad world of adults using children to satisfy their needs.

The story evolves around a wise brave girl and a lumbering slow-witted strong man who join forces to conquer the evil around them. On one side, you have a scientist manipulating genetics to populate his insane world. He uses the dreams of stolen children to forestall his own emotional and physical demise. On the other side, you have an evil set of Siamese twins with a Fagan-like enterprise exploiting lost children for criminal gain. All the action takes place in a surreal dystopian dockside community of mangy dogs, rats, cheap thrills, and dark alleys. It is an incredibly rich and unflinching look at modern isolation, brutality, and irrationality, but does and attempts nothing more than to carry the nightmare and its resolution as far as it can go.

Mauvais Sang [Bad Blood] http://us.imdb.com/Title?0091497 is all visual poetry centering on a tragic talented punk who loves fiercely yet demands independence. He is lured into stealing a virus from a prominent laboratory at the behest of an older crook who knew his Father. The older man has a beautiful consort and the boy falls deeply in love with her after abandoning his teenage lover, who, like him, accepts no compromise or refusal as final. I love the rich cinematography and the way the director distilled the essence of his minimal plot almost like a beautifully choreographed music video.

Mortelle Randonnée [Deadly Circuit] http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084358/ was a surrealistic black comedy about obsessions and a disconnection with life and ethics as a detective begins to fall in love with the deadly girl he is following. He carries around a photograph of young schoolgirls that supposedly includes a daughter he had never seen, but his relationship with this imagined child becomes more ominous as he begins stalking an alluring young murderess across Europe. It is a clever commentary about a modern moral wasteland that reminded me a lot of Petronius with its cynical takes on human relations.


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Delicatessen is another great French movie, made by the same directors as La Cité des enfants perdus.

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Thanks for the great piece you wrote in the user comment section about Léon. Someone at IMDb seems to have a burr up their fanny about this film as the forum gets cut in half whenever it gets about a thousand posts and they cycle the lead comment constantly. Your review deserves to sit on the front page.

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Thanks Since I’ve first seen Leon about a year ago I was fascinated by it and I had to see it again and again to try and understand why it’s so powerful. Now, after about thirty viewings and reading the original script and all comments and other materials I could find, I feel I’m much closer to the truth but I still haven’t understood it completely. Maybe that is impossible, at least to me, for art is not at all an easy thing to analyze.

I think that Besson’s words: “we can't forget that a part of us, the genetic things inside are much, much older than The Ten Commandments” are the key. We like to believe that we are educated and intelligent, but our ancient instincts are still very strong. Psychology is a fascinating science or rather a fascinating art, and it’s frustrating that we understand so little of what’s in our mind. I smile sadly when I hear about free will. What free will is there between the genetic structure of our brain and the external experiences that shape us? “The powers of this world are very strong. Men and women are moved by tides much fiercer than you can imagine, and they sweep us all up into the current” as the Master says in Philip Pullman’s book “The Golden Compass”. If you haven’t read it yet then by all means check it out. Of course a book can’t really be compared to a movie, but just like Besson, Pullman creates the kind of “heightened reality” that Gary Oldman was talking about. Fortunately he has an style that is less gory and more exquisite, imaginative, full of warmth and wisdom. I got it yesterday after reading some very positive reviews and although I’ve only read half way through it I know already that it will be very high on my favorites books list.

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The beautiful elements of the medieval stories to me are the clever ways the minstrels combined the superego of spiritual rectitude with the id of violence and sexuality. Much of it was tongue-in-cheek. but there was never a time again where the moral and religious ideals of a Christian age were so unselfconsciously laid out before an audience cheek by jowl with its lowest impulses. I think it was the perfect formula for Besson's bizzare little tale.

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To re-iterate a previous post, only those who attempt total control over their individual desmesnes are abused in this film. Even Leon is given immortality and redemption, evidenced by Mathilda giving the plant a permanent place in the sun.
This is true of almost all his films. The individual is a person who is a law unto himself or herself, isolated in a corrupt society, and all efforts to control the individual are despised. Besson captures a disconnection with what often appear to be corrupt modern governments. The only way the individual escapes is by choosing his or her own oblivion and the only relief from his or her isolation comes from love with no strings attached. The main thing is that there is only one such individual in each film. Prior to Mathilda, the fate of the person left behind was inconsequential.

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Dernier combat, Le (1983) [Last Battle, The] - the hero is a young man, the gift of unselfish love comes from an older man, the oblivion is a lawless commune

Subway (1985) - the hero is a young thief, the gift of unselfish love is from the music and his female victim, oblivion comes from a bullet

Grand bleu, Le (1988) [Big Blue, The] - the hero is a young man who sees the dolphins as his only family, the unselfish love is in the ocean to which he always returns for renewal, oblivion also comes from the depths of a black ocean where he lets go the lifeline and drifts to a blissful oblivion

Nikita (1990) - the hero is a young lawless woman, the love comes from an unselfish clerk, and the oblivion is disappearance

Atlantis (1991) - human society, indeed the surface world, is not allowed to intrude at all. There is no voiceover and the surface/human world is only a murky unknown above an unbroken watery universe.

Fifth Element, The (1997) - Leeloo is a unique element who is immediately attacked, love comes from a cab driver, oblivion/anonymity comes with a cataclysmic force

Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc, The (1999) - Joan is alone with her true love, a vision of G-d, and her oblivion comes with her fiery death


With Natalie Portman, however, came a revision that made Mathilda's survival an inadvertent but essential point. She did not just fade into the background like Nikita's clerk or Joanna in Big Blue. That orphan messianic virgin child has formed the basis of several films since Léon.





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I loved the cinematography, editing and general theme, but was not blown away by the movie as a whole. I gave it an 8 out of 10. Sometimes when you explain too much you end up with a less meaningful final product, at least that is how it works for me. It adds a lot to my enjoyment if I can read several different philosophical or moral angles into a bare bones visual experience.

I think the public response to Messenger (which I love) took the wind out of Besson's movie-making sails. He seems to have switched gears to small personal projects. This is fine, because I generally like his sense of humor and philosophy of life, but I can't get passionate about it.

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Again, very well said; nice comparison to the Noir Classic!
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AWESOME, DFC-2!! Amazing! It's all amazing. I'll never look at this movie the same way again.

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Natalie Portman was just quoted http://comingsoon.net/news.php?id=5433 saying the following:

Being action buffs, we wondered if Portman would ever consider doing a sequel to her very first movie Leon, known Stateside as The Professional. "I would do any film that Luc Besson directed. If he directed it, I would do it." And then quickly added with a smile, "...but he hasn't asked me, because that's not anything that's real. You just made that movie up."

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I would first like to start this off by saying that I am very impressed by your analysis, DFC-2, and took great pleasure in reading your posts. Im gald to see that there are people that like this film as much as I do.

Now to the point: Even though I would rush to see it on opening night, I dont think that it would be possible to do a sequel worthy of being a sequel to this film. The sequel would not have Jean Reno (I dont care what people say...hes dead. Its done) or Natalie Portman (if it were a prequel), and frankly I dont think that you can have one character without the other. I know that I, for one, would have a hard time watching Natalie Portman become a cleaner without Leon by her side, or have a hard time watching Reno knock off his girlfriends father without the aid of Mathilda. It just wouldnt be the same experience. To me when Mathilda planted the plant she also buried all possibilites of a sequel, and as much as I hated the end (it was just so moving, I honestly wanted her and Leon to pick a spot on a globe and live there), Ill have to live with it, but dont get me wrong: if a sequel were made I would be one of the first ones in the door (and probably the only one, as not many around here know that this movie exists).

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