Where were the black people?
Have you ever been to a wedding ceremony that was only made up of white people? This film seemed to feature four of them.
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Have you ever been to a wedding ceremony that was only made up of white people?Of course. share
When was that? The 1960s?
I was being tongue-in-cheek but I'm not sure this film has dated very well. The characters are a very small demographic of extremely wealthy, white upper-class types, give or take Scarlet and the gay couple, and very likely the type of people David Cameron went to school and/or university with.
HarveyManfredSinJohn wrote:
The characters are a very small demographic of extremely wealthy, white upper-class types, give or take Scarlet and the gay couple,Yes. More specifically, except for Scarlett, they all went to Oxford or Cambridge.
and very likely the type of people David Cameron went to school and/or university with.I don't know what David Cameron has to do with this, but these are certainly people that Richard Curtis and Mike Newell went to University with.Do you have a problem with that? Do you feel that all movies should have the complete range of social classes represented?You're entitled to your subjective attitude if that is the case, but I think it is ridiculous. share
Yes. More specifically, except for Scarlett, they all went to Oxford or Cambridge.You're speculating. I'm guessing it's the case too that they all went to Oxbridge, but you don't know that for a fact.
I don't know what David Cameron has to do with this, but these are certainly people that Richard Curtis and Mike Newell went to University with.It means that the then biggest film of all time is only concerned with the 'problems' of a very privileged elite, and it's thus hard for most of the population, especially the 93% of the population who didn't go to private school, to empathise. I can't really feel sorry for ultra-wealthy, white people who have an Oxbridge degree under their belt. The world is their oyster, and if they're having problems imagine how tough things must be for the rest of us.
Do you have a problem with that? Do you feel that all movies should have the complete range of social classes represented?
You're entitled to your subjective attitude if that is the case, but I think it is ridiculous.
And yes, these are the people David Cameron rubs shoulders with, so I think it's very relevant that the man who is hurting the UK and will now do so for another five years is brought up. But since you don't good luck to you. You must be living a very happy privileged life completely unaffected from this government's mean-spirited austerity. share
HarveyManfredSinJohn wrote:
I'm guessing it's the case too that they all went to Oxbridge, but you don't know that for a fact.That is literally true but silly. It is very unlikely that Fiona and her brother, two of the wealthiest People in England, did not go to Oxbridge.And it doesn't make any difference since their social class is not in question.
It means that the then biggest film of all timeYou somehow mean the biggest grossing these you can't possibly mean it in any other way. It is a successful romantic comedy. It is not by any means a great film or an important film.
so I think it's very relevant that the man who is hurting the UK and will now do so for another five years is brought up. But since you don't good luck to you. You must be living a very happy privileged life completely unaffected from this government's mean-spirited austerity.Ah, I understand now. You're a nutcase who has a political ax to grind, and you're taking it out on a Romantic Comedy. share
That is literally true but silly. It is very unlikely that Fiona and her brother, two of the wealthiest People in England, did not go to Oxbridge.The fact that an imbecile like Tom was able to get into Oxbridge says it all about the British class system. Money, not brains, counts. share
And it doesn't make any difference since their social class is not in question.
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The fact that an imbecile like Tom was able to get into Oxbridge says it all about the British class system.You agree that Tom would be able to get into Oxbridge because of his wealth? And Fiona also? So, I think it's more than "speculation" that the bunch of them went to Oxbridge. share
Well unlike the US where one can simply get into an Ivy League college as a 'legacy', applicants do have to get the requisite grades to get into Oxbridge (although admittedly that may have been different back in the 80s when Fiona and Tom presumably attended Oxbridge). That said, I suppose an expensive public school trains even the dullest children to do whatever is required to pass the exams in order to get into an Oxbridge college. I guess that says it all about our English class system, and the deference that continually puts out-of-touch Etonians like David Cameron in power. If the working and middle classes hate themselves so much it's no wonder they keep putting upper class people in power again and again.
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Well unlike the US where one can simply get into an Ivy League college as a 'legacy', applicants do have to get the requisite grades to get into OxbridgeYou simply do not know what you are talking about. That is equally true in the United States.Very few colleges will turn down an extremely wealthy applicant if they meet minimum requirements.At least in the United States, about a third of the people admitted are taken right off the top. The competition is for the other two-thirds spots and various things, including being a legacy or wealthy or playing a sport or having a musical talent or having a famous parent gives an applicant an advantage.I'm really not interested in discussing the English class system with you. Do you understand that although it is pronounced to rhyme with injun (a non-PC term for a Native American), it is written St. John?Goodbye. share
Do you understand that although it is pronounced to rhyme with injun (a non-PC term for a Native American), it is written St. John?Who cares how it's spelled? I want people to say my username as it is pronounced in the film.
And by the way, this is how it's spelled on the 'quote page':
"My father was in the Secret Service, Mr. Manfredjinsinjin, and I know perfectly well that you don't keep the general public"
Anyway, there's absolutely no need for you to be so rude. share
You're a homo.
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Who cares how it's spelled?Well, you look like a bit of an idiot if you do not know how to spell your own assumed name. Not that more evidence for that was needed.
I want people to say my username as it is pronounced in the film.But it is spelled St. John, and that is the joke. Why would anyone say your username anyway?
And by the way, this is how it's spelled on the 'quote page':Oh, for God's sake. It is spelled correctly by Father Gerald. He has only seen it written and his social class is such that he does not know how it is pronounced.It is pronounced correctly by Bernard.
Father Gerald: Whoop, sorry! Why I, Bernard Godfrey St. John Delainey...Bernard: Why I, Bernard Geoffrey Sinjin Delainey...
St John or St. John is a given name and surname. St John can be pronounced /?s?nd??n/ or /?s?n??n/, as if written Sinjin or Sinjun, particularly if it is the first part of a hyphenated family name or a given name in the United Kingdom. http://www.wikiwand.com/en/St_John_%28name%29
Anyway, there's absolutely no need for you to be so rude.So rude as to point out you don't know how to spell the name that you've assumed? share
I'm going to an English wedding next year, as far as I know its an all white affair.
Last wedding I went to all the guests were white.
I would say most people's friendship circle consists mostly of people of their own race. Not me personally as don't have any close friends of my own race for no particular reason, but it does seem to be the norm amongst most people.
Its the same when you go to a wedding were Asians are getting married, almost 100% Asian guests.
"My father was in the Secret Service, Mr. Manfredjinsinjin, and I know perfectly well that you don't keep the general public"
From "A Fish Called Wanda," featuring Kevin Kline, Jamie Lee Curtis, John Cleese, Michael Palin, and a bunch of other white people ~~ no weddings that I can recall, but several funerals for unfortunate doggies. share
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From "A Fish Called Wanda,"Well, that solves a minor mystery that I had completely forgotten about.LOL You are a delight. share
Thank you! I've enjoyed your perspective on "Four Weddings and a Funeral" ~~ I just watched it again recently in the middle of the night, and I agree with your observations!
shareif they went in the 80s they would have sat the oxbridge exam, which was considered more important than A level results. See the film The History Boys for example, in which a group of bright grammar school boys are being coached for the Oxbridge exam in the 80s. Alan bennet, who wrote the history boys, went through the process in the 50s.
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