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great acting! very beautiful and fascinating. it's funny that "Both male and female voices were combined to create the sound of Farinelli's singing voice", this means a 'normal'(not discriminatory) person is difficult to make that voice? i dont know much about music, but is that klnd of voice beautiful? @_@

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A castrato was a grown man who had been castrated as a boy in order to preserve his high singing voice. First done in order for them to sing in Catholic choirs and for about a hundred years for opera. The last castrato died in 1922. The nearest any man can come to such a voice nowadays is a falsetto. There is a French singer named Ugo Farrell who is purported to be a castrato but vehemently denies it. Type "castrato" into Google or Wikipedia for the very interesting tale. I haven't seen this film but would very much like to. I bet I won't find it at Blockbuster, though.

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It shows up on the Bravo cable channel from time to time

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Blockbuster has the movie on DVD now, I just rented it a couple of days ago.

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I have it my queue from Netflix. Should get to it in a week or so. I'll post a review afterward.
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A castrato was a grown man who had been castrated as a boy in order to preserve his high singing voice. First done in order for them to sing in Catholic choirs and for about a hundred years for opera. The last castrato died in 1922. The nearest any man can come to such a voice nowadays is a falsetto. There is a French singer named Ugo Farrell who is purported to be a castrato but vehemently denies it. Type "castrato" into Google or Wikipedia for the very interesting tale. I haven't seen this film but would very much like to. I bet I won't find it at Blockbuster, though.


He's definitely a falsetto.

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I listened to a recording of Alessandro Moreschi, the only castrato to be recorded. He wasn't a very fantastic singer, with a lot of jumping and swooping into notes (which can be really painful to hear). He was also a bit older when recorded so he didn't have much strength and couldn't sustain notes very well. But when I was listening to it, I felt so...eerie. His voice didn't sound soprano AT ALL. Moreschi's voice had a completely different quality. He sounded like a young boy but I could feel this power behind it...manly power. In "Farinelli", because a soprano voice was used, it couldn't convey how he must have really sounded. A woman's voice and a man's voice are just opposite ends of the spectrum.

Just read the article and listen to the recording on this site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4853432.stm. There is another recording Moreschi made in 1904 which is a little better but I can't find it right now. Search for it yourself, I guess.

I just wish I could have heard what Farinelli REALLY sounded like. They did a great job combining voices, but it just makes me wish to hear the real thing more. My god, can you even imagine? 3 1/2 octave range. 250 notes in a single breath. Holding a note for more than a minute. And apparently...the ability to heal the depression of King Phillip of Spain, haha.

That's something no one will ever live up to, unless they are brave enough to make that sacrifice. I love that line from the trailer, "They stole the gift that made him a man to give him the voice that made him a god."

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How does it compare with a counter-tenor?

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Counter-tenors have a similar range and in fact have inherited a lot of castrato roles, such as the title role in Handel's Julius Caesar. Counter-tenors are usually natural baritones; their chest voice is baritone but they also have the airy, fluty "head voice" that gives them their upper range. Though they sing the same notes, their voices don't have the soprano-like creaminess a castrato would have had. But I reckon they'd much rather keep their balls on, anyway.

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I think it's important to remember that the castrato voice wasn't just a male approximation of the female soprano. Castrati voices had other qualities entirely that made them incomparable with the higher voices we hear today. So one thing we can be sure of with regard to his voice was that it didn't sound like the countertenor-type voice (a sort of muscular Cecilia Bartoli) that we hear in this film. The key quality of the castrato seems to have been the very pure, open sound of a boy treble or alto, but magnified in strength, and far more accomplished in terms of control and agility. One arresting aspect of the Moreschi recording is the almost ageless quality of the voice.

I confess I am absolutely fascinated by the thought of what a castrato sounded like, and am going to investigate some 20th Century male singers whose voices didn't change (Michael Maniaci, Radu Marian, Jorge Cano, Javier Medina and the late Paulo Abel do Nascimento). Last night, there was a very good programme on UK TV (BBC4) called "Castrato - Search for a Lost Voice", on which Maniaci appeared, and which also involved a Professor David Howard, who was trying to synthetically reproduce a castrato-like voice from somehow morphing recordings of boy sopranos, high tenors etc. The result was strange, if slightly underwhelming, but the questions the exercise raised were intriguing.


Boy, was I drunk last night...

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A point to ponder - although we refer, almost generically, to vocally high tessitura male singers of the 17th/18th centuries as castrati, not all were surgically emasculated. There are some (admittedly only a few) whose voices were retained as a result of disease or accident. Unfortunately one seldom, if ever, sees any reference to these and we are left to assume that all such singers are castrati.

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Javier Medina is apparently a modern example of precisely this. Check him out here:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=358067.

This site has an mp3 download so you can listen to him too. It's a strange voice, which feels significantly younger than the usual countertenor sound, and yet has far more volume and "bulk" than a boys voice. It surely must be significantly closer to the sound of the castrato than pretty much any other voice we are likely to hear now. Any thoughts?


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Having studied music and especially opera history I found this movie genuinely gripping me. We saw the movie in school and it gave me an all new appreciation for opera.
As to the question of "modern castrati" try looking up the Japanese counter-tenor Yoshikazu Mera. If anyone, he truly has the gift of the angelic voice.
He is one of less than 25 active counter-tenors in the world, meaning he has actually made a career out of his talent, and is being saluted thoughtout the entire opera industry as "being as close to a castrato as humanly possible without actually being one".

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I confess I am absolutely fascinated by the thought of what a castrato sounded like, and am going to investigate some 20th Century male singers whose voices didn't change (Michael Maniaci, Radu Marian, Jorge Cano, Javier Medina and the late Paulo Abel do Nascimento). Last night, there was a very good programme on UK TV (BBC4) called "Castrato - Search for a Lost Voice", on which Maniaci appeared, and which also involved a Professor David Howard, who was trying to synthetically reproduce a castrato-like voice from somehow morphing recordings of boy sopranos, high tenors etc. The result was strange, if slightly underwhelming, but the questions the exercise raised were intriguing.


Nice list, the man in the BBC documentary was especially fascinating as his singing and speaking range were clearly in the Soprano range.

I think the difference between Male Sopranos and Castrati had more to do with the fact that physiologically a castrati had a boy's vocal chords whereas all of the men listed above have male vocal chords that just didn't change pitch. Many of them seemed to experience a hormonal disorder that has kept their voices in a higher range, but that doesn't necessarily make them men with the vocal chords of young boys, similar to the 18th century castrati.

You can hear a lot of flexibility in Michae Maniaci's voice, but I can imagine that a castrati's voice had a lot more flexibility and most importantly, a more haunting warm tone. The tone of a boy soloist, especially in ones that we see enter the pop scene, is unforgettable and striking. If you listen to a lot of boy soloists many of them are actually mezzo sopranos rather than actual pure sopranos. True boy sopranos tend to sing a lot of liturgical music. They can hit higher notes with ease, but their tessitura remains in a much lower range, giving them a very warm and pure tone. Even listening to pop singers such as Billy Gilman or the most recent boy soloist fad Shaheen jafargholi, can give us an idea of the type of structure that was present. Just had a pair of man's lungs to that, along with the cavernous and deep mouth and throat structure of a male, and I can't imagine what type of voice was amplified.

In the film they tried mixing a countertenor and a soprano, which gave us an interesting perspective of the range, but not necessarily the timbre. The problem is that countertenors have an ethereal quality by singing in their false voice or falsetto. I also think Sopranos are much too breathy with some of the repertoire that was written for castrati and lacking the warm tone of a mezzo soprano.

In the BBC documentary they tried combining a boy soprano and a tenor...which I think is why the recording is so underwhelming and strange. A much better idea imo, would have been to combine a true male soprano such as Michael Maniaci's voice and a boy alto (or mezzo soprano), rather than the church boy soprano they used. Perhaps even a mezzo soprano or contralto to add some dark color to the voice.

I think we all have our own idea of what a castrati might have sounded like, I imagine a more warm and rich timbre than the movie portrayed. Nonetheless, I was still mesmerized by the voice they constructed.

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Well said, erin. "Eerie" is a very good word to describe the sound of Moreschi's voice. I listened to a recording of him and it gave me the willies. Even though he was well past his prime and much too arty-farty in his presentation, the unnaturalness of it was...creepy. You're description, "He sounded like a young boy but I could feel this power behind it...manly power.", was spot on. That was what creeped me out so.

As for the film, I enjoyed the telling of the tale but would that the producers had cast someone who could fake singing well, rather than looking like an obviously lip-synching dork.

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Aren't Radu Marian and Jorge Cano natural castrati? They both have a biological condition that never allowed their voices to develop, I think they're the closest we'll get to a sound like Farinelli's.

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Yes, they are apparently natural castrati too. I haven't heard their voices though.


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I listened to a recording of Alessandro Moreschi, the only castrato to be recorded. He wasn't a very fantastic singer, with a lot of jumping and swooping into notes (which can be really painful to hear). He was also a bit older when recorded so he didn't have much strength and couldn't sustain notes very well."

Wrong, that's just the day's style. The jumping and swooping are indeed painful to hear, but we're not used at the singing church style from back then.

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http://www.bassocantante.com/opera/curiosity.html
On this page you could find a mp3 file of Alessandro Moreschi , “the last castrato”. I find his voice and Farinelli's voice in the movie both very feminine. I wouldnt have known if wasnt a woman if i just listened to the singing.
Hope I dont sound like a teeny bop here. But through out the movie i kept thinking about Stephen Gately from the 90's boy band "Boyzone" who has a very rare soft and high voice.

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The movie was partly filmed in the town where I studied - Bayreuth/Germany - in the baroque opera house. You can make guided tours of the splendid opera house or attend a concert, it is quite easy to get tickets for this location. Really worthwhile. They casted some of my fellow students for some minor roles.

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Check out Vitas. ;P

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I listened to a recording of Alessandro Moreschi, the only castrato to be recorded. He wasn't a very fantastic singer, with a lot of jumping and swooping into notes (which can be really painful to hear). He was also a bit older when recorded so he didn't have much strength and couldn't sustain notes very well. But when I was listening to it, I felt so...eerie. His voice didn't sound soprano AT ALL. Moreschi's voice had a completely different quality. He sounded like a young boy but I could feel this power behind it...manly power.
Wow! I thought they did well balancing the tension between his boyishness when singing and on stage with the sorrow of the man offstage.
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