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I haven't seen this all the way through so perhaps I cannot judge the film just yet, however there is a reason to why I haven't seen it all the way through...

I understand this movie has an 18 rating, but I was put off by the amount of raunch there was in it. Somehow I fail to beleive folk from the 1700s spoke about orgasms and erections with such openess - wasn't sexuality something more delicate and private back then? Furthermore WHY do so many film makers nowadays feel the need to inject their films - especially period dramas - with so much sex? And its not simply the image of two lovers embracing or waking up in one anothers arms anymore oh no - its full-on hardcore porno right infront of your eyes!

Are these film makers out to tell a story, or are they simply just trying to turn themselves on? Do we as an audience need to see two people *beep* right before our eyes? What is the point??

I really wanted to get to know the character of Farinelli through the film, I wanted to know his story which I imagined was tragic and glamourous and about Opera and his relationship with his brother etc. How can I get to know him when every five seconds hes nuts-deep in some sleazy orgasm?
Whoops - I forgot, he has no testicles...

Visually the film is alluring, but its not enough anymore that period films are optically lavish, pumped full of porno-movie style sex and devoid of any emotion or story.

Farinelli - however visually lush it is - comes across to me as a 'showgirl movie' - especially whenever Farinelli is wearing that casino-de-paris style feathery headdress.

Someone please tell me whats up with film-making nowadays, is it just that this centurie's society is OBSESSED with sex??


I'm not sure if its art, but I like it!

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. . . wasn't sexuality something more delicate and private back then?
No more and no less than today if the history books I have read are to be believed.

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I'm not sure how far into it you watched and reached that conclusion - my guess is no longer than 20 minutes, because it is somewhat banal at the start - but if you managed to go through the entire thing and remained of the same opinion you must be emotionally castrated, if you'll excuse the pun.

I don't think the movie is at all saturated with sexual content, and the few scenes that did depict it we're done tastefully, and as far as I can remember, no such scene was put in without a purpose to serve. The final sex scene, for example, was phenomenal, and I'm not talking about the visual aspect.

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"The final sex scene was phenomenal"

Well it would be wouldn't it?
Lets have a party.
After all theres nothing that people enjoy more than watching other people have sex. What a planet of perverts!!

WHOOO HOOOO - PHENOMENAL.

I believe that whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you STRANGER.

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Way to take a comment out of context and completely ignore everything that was said in that post. You didn't even manage to quote the entire sentence, and it wasn't a particularly long one, per se.

This movie is a far cry from your average action/teen comedy flick with sex scenes put there purely for the sake of indulging in our need for on-screen nudity.

Keep your sarcasm for when you actually have a convincing argument.

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This IS a convincing argument...

NO seriously I was only taking the piss.

I know what everybody is going to presume about me when I say this, but I genuinely can't understand why the majority is obsessed with sex/love watching other people - namely fictional characters - screw so much.

I believe that whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you STRANGER.

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This IS a convincing argument... []

NO seriously I was only taking the piss.


Maybe you should actually sit down and watch the entire movie first.

I know what everybody is going to presume about me when I say this, but I genuinely can't understand why the majority is obsessed with sex/love watching other people - namely fictional characters - screw so much.


Actually if you watched more than 20 minutes in, you'd realize there is only one sex scene.

They don't "screw so much," they only screw once.

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Anyone who thinks that this film contains any "full-on hardcore porno" needs to get cable. This is a European art house film and Europeans are not as sexually repressed as Americans. We do not gasp when we see a nude man or woman and we know where babies come from. And no, sexuality in the 18th c. was far from "delicate and private". I think you may have it confused with the Victorian era or what people perceive the Victorian Era to have been since there was rampant prostitution, child prostitution, opium dens,etc. You might prefer "Jefferson in Paris" a much more demure film set in the 18th c. and I would warn you away from "Dangerous Liaisons" and "Valmont".
I just watched "Farinelli" again today after many years and it did not endear itself to me.With the exception of the sweet faced little crippled boy I did not find another character to like or feel anything for. Carlo was beautiful and talented but clearly nuts. I don't know if we were supposed to believe that the castration had also cut off his emotions or if he would have been that way regardless. What I find much more annoying about the film, though visually stunning in many scenes, is the highly fictionalized portrayal of the characters, especially adding characters and plot points that did not exist. An excellent and entertaining film could have been made by sticking to the facts but one thing European and American film makers unfortunately share is the abuse of dramatic license.

"I say,open this door at once! We're British !"

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I just watched "Farinelli" again today after many years and it did not endear itself to me.With the exception of the sweet faced little crippled boy I did not find another character to like or feel anything for. Carlo was beautiful and talented but clearly nuts. I don't know if we were supposed to believe that the castration had also cut off his emotions or if he would have been that way regardless. What I find much more annoying about the film, though visually stunning in many scenes, is the highly fictionalized portrayal of the characters, especially adding characters and plot points that did not exist. An excellent and entertaining film could have been made by sticking to the facts but one thing European and American film makers unfortunately share is the abuse of dramatic license.



The film never claims to be an autobiography. I find it amusing that you criticize Americans for not understanding the use of sexuality in cinema, but you clearly don't understand European films at all. Europeans are not as literal about everything as Americans are. This film has no obligation to tell the truth and would fail to do so. Farinelli has been dead for 220 years now.

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I like biographical films to be entertaining but as truthful as possible and this is not the only film the fails at that.

He was seven or eight when castrated, not eleven or twelve. He never had a child,(via his brother or otherwise)and Alexandra was a composite character.

What difference does it make how long he has been dead ? There are records, documents, diaries, portraits, etc. Did they even try to cast an actor who resembled him, other than the height ?

Why not make a film about a fictional castrato, like Anne Rice's "Cry to Heaven" if you don't care about a real person's history but are just interested in the 18thc.,castrati,etc?

I have been working in the film industry in Europe and the states for over twenty years so I must know something and my opinion is as valid as yours.

Taken as an art house film, the art direction is gorgeous,the costumes, music and cinematography excellent, and it is worth viewing. But as a biopic, I recommend reading a book instead.

Bonne nuit.


Out of six billion humans, the troublemakers are just a handful. -Dalai Lama

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I like biographical films to be entertaining but as truthful as possible and this is not the only film the fails at that.


It is NOT an autobiography and never claims to be.

He was seven or eight when castrated, not eleven or twelve.


He was castrated in 1717...he was born in 1705...please learn how to do math.

He never had a child,(via his brother or otherwise)and Alexandra was a composite character.


It's not his child....It's his niece or nephew, which he did have.


What difference does it make how long he has been dead ? There are records, documents, diaries, portraits, etc. Did they even try to cast an actor who resembled him, other than the height ?

Why not make a film about a fictional castrato, like Anne Rice's "Cry to Heaven" if you don't care about a real person's history but are just interested in the 18thc.,castrati,etc?


Look...you take things way too literally. It's a film that takes artistic license, why is this not a perfectly valid thing to do? Why are so busy analyzing this film as a literal autobiography when it never claims to be anything of the sort? Not once do you ever read "based on a true story" on the screen.

Did you freak out when you saw Amadeus? Or how about Immortal Beloved? None of which claim to be autobiographies either and take artistic licenses.

I have been working in the film industry in Europe and the states for over twenty years so I must know something and my opinion is as valid as yours.


And how do you know I don't have any experience?

Taken as an art house film, the art direction is gorgeous,the costumes, music and cinematography excellent, and it is worth viewing.


Exactly. Just enjoy the show. Stop thinking so much about what is and isn't historically accurate.

But as a biopic, I recommend reading a book instead


It is not a biopic, it's cinema. Learn to think outside of the box a little.

It's a film that plays with the myth and legend of a real person. Consider it to be a piece of folklore.

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Have you been working on your comeback since August ???


I find that...sad.


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Have you been working on your comeback since August ???


LOL I didn't even know you replied to me because I have a life, I recently caught this film again and decided to revisit these boards. Lo and behold, I see your completely ridiculous and militant reply.

I also see that you have not replied to any of my points with anything other than generic snark.

I find that...sad.


And yet you wasted no time in reading my post and replying back to me. Interesting. So you also live this so called "sad life" you accuse me of having.

Well I'm onto more important things.

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I receive dozens of emails a week from IMDb because I post on a lot of boards and I reply because it is the polite thing to do.

Sad, is admitting that with thousands of films to watch, you sat through this one again.

Yes, your lawn could use a trim.



Possessions are fleeting - Homer J. Simpson

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I receive dozens of emails a week from IMDb because I post on a lot of boards and I reply because it is the polite thing to do.


If you receive "dozens and dozens" of them, mine should be lost in the crowd. Yet, it was the first one you replied to and rather hastily.

Sad, is admitting that with thousands of films to watch, you sat through this one again.


That is what one does when they enjoy a movie. They watch it again. Apparently I must watch thousands of new movies every day in order to have some credibility.

I've already seen thousands upon thousands, I choose to come back to the ones I enjoy. I don't watch films for the sake or bragging, sorry.

I have better things to do than continue arguing with a pretentious turd. I think you just like arguing for the sake of arguing.




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You call me pretentious, but you watch art house films and then use a vulgar euphemism in an attempt to "insult" me. If you are going to (pretend to )be an elitist, you need to clean up your act.

#75.

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You call me pretentious, but you watch art house films and then use a vulgar euphemism in an attempt to "insult" me.


You brag about the thousands upon thousands of emails you receive and the thousands upon thousands of art house movies you apparently watch. (which is supposed to give you some sort of credibility...I guess).

What do you expect?? Am I supposed to be impressed by you? Get a clue! Or better yet, some proper social skills. (Do you honestly think anyone wants to listen to you brag about yourself? Or would be impressed by this?)

If you are going to (pretend to )be an elitist, you need to clean up your act.


I will when you learn some reading comprehension. You insulted me first, or did you not bother to go back and read anything you've written?

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I haven't seen this all the way through so perhaps I cannot judge the film just yet, however there is a reason to why I haven't seen it all the way through...

I understand this movie has an 18 rating, but I was put off by the amount of raunch there was in it. Somehow I fail to beleive folk from the 1700s spoke about orgasms and erections with such openess - wasn't sexuality something more delicate and private back then? Furthermore WHY do so many film makers nowadays feel the need to inject their films - especially period dramas - with so much sex? And its not simply the image of two lovers embracing or waking up in one anothers arms anymore oh no - its full-on hardcore porno right infront of your eyes!

Are these film makers out to tell a story, or are they simply just trying to turn themselves on? Do we as an audience need to see two people *beep* right before our eyes? What is the point??

I really wanted to get to know the character of Farinelli through the film, I wanted to know his story which I imagined was tragic and glamourous and about Opera and his relationship with his brother etc. How can I get to know him when every five seconds hes nuts-deep in some sleazy orgasm?
Whoops - I forgot, he has no testicles...

Visually the film is alluring, but its not enough anymore that period films are optically lavish, pumped full of porno-movie style sex and devoid of any emotion or story.

Farinelli - however visually lush it is - comes across to me as a 'showgirl movie' - especially whenever Farinelli is wearing that casino-de-paris style feathery headdress.

Someone please tell me whats up with film-making nowadays, is it just that this centurie's society is OBSESSED with sex??


European art house films tend to look at sex differently. It's not all just sexual perversion and fetish images that directors want to explore. A lot of the times there is a symbolic nature to nudity and sex itself. Let me ask you...didn't you notice something strange about the sex scene in the film? Didn't it seem a bit off to you? Nothing Hollywood would produce certainly...

It's funny you say that, but there is only one sex scene in this movie. I'll admit it's a bit graphic, but there was something symbolic and relevant about it to the film. The "graphic" element is there for a reason, imo. I'll name a few things:

1. It symbolizes Farinelli's sexuality or lack of sexuality rather. He cannot have an orgasm and he certainly can't cum and impregnate a woman. Castrato were seen as "safe" by upper class aristocratic women. Many of them used castrato singers for their own amusement. How much pleasure a castrato received from sex isn't really known, some may have had more of an ability depending on how old they were when they were castrated. A boy who was castrated at age 16, may have more of a libido than a boy castrated at 7. Most of them were castrated between the ages of 7-13, Farinelli was about 11 or 12 when he was castrated. Either way...being a castrato was like being half of a person, sexually, physically, emotionally. You weren't considered a man or a woman by many, you weren't allowed to be married by the Catholic church.

2. Farinelli wants to be a person like everyone else, he wants to be a normal man. Notice how the scene downplays the actor's masculinity and emphasizes Enrico Lo Verso's (Riccardo's) masculine features? His brother "humanizes" him at the end of the film by giving his wife a child. So the tag team sex scenes symbolize this, and sets up the ending for us. Otherwise...it wouldn't make sense plot wise or from an emotion perspective.

3. It's symbolic of the stranglehold his brother has over him. He is his brother's puppet. His brother created him and controls him in every aspect of his life, even his sex life. His brother does it out of guilt and does it because he doesn't know how to survive without his brother as his muse. Even in sex, the most basic, private, human experience, he is the ever present puppet master. The scene where he speaks for his brother to Handel emphasizes this as well.

4. It's symbolic of Farinelli's loneliness and emptiness. If you watch the scene, you will see something in Farinelli's eyes. A distinct lack of interest and pleasure from sex. He's nothing but a sexual oddity and fetish for the young woman, but he really doesn't get anything from it. The scene where Countess Mauer tries to proposition Farinelli for sexual favors and he blatantly refuses in disgust shows that he is fed up of the facade.

Farinelli suffered from inexplicable loneliness in real life and does so in the film as well. He can't get married, he can't have children, he derives little pleasure from sex itself. That rules out having a sexual relationship for his own pleasure with a partner or lover. It would mostly be for the sake of the other partner. So what can he have out of life? He loves music, but he is lonely and nothing can stifle this.

5. Finally, Riccardo could have settled down long ago, but what he really wants is the musical genius his brother possesses. Farinelli and Riccardo share a duel relationship with each other, or rather a parasitic relationship I should say. This is only broken at the end when Riccardo gives his brother his only child and rides off to find musical inspiration.

There are many elements to perceive sexuality in this film. Europeans don't seem to perceive sexuality and nudity in the one dimensional way that Americans do. We see sex scenes and nudity as purely sexual in nature, (meant to arose all sorts of perversions) regardless of whether or not they have a symbolic nature (which American films rarely do). In Farinelli, the structure of the sex scenes suggest that there is something else going on, that there is a subtext. Otherwise it wouldn't be there...that's just my experience with European cinema.

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