Weird editing


This was my first Chabrol, and the thing that struck me on a technical level was the strange editing choices throughout the movie. Is this sloppiness, or intentional? For instance: The scene where Paul's wife tells him she won money gambling on horses "at the cafe" the abrupt cut to black cuts off some of her words (I don't speak French so I can't say what words she gets in before the cut). Good movie though - strangely enough I got a bit of a Shining vibe - I wonder if Chabrol saw The Shining. 8/10.

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I noticed the odd editing as well, and the also the same scene you mention. The earlier part of the film seems made almost in TV style, with rapid editing and jump cuts. It got better (for me) as it went along. Cluzet and Beart are both excellent, especially Cluzet who has to remain interesting and somewhat sympathetic right to the end. This is one of Chabrol's better films, likely because of the Clouzot script.


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The editing is not sloppy! It is extremely, uncommonly precise and full of meaning. Same goes for other technical aspects like lighting and composition. On the DVD I saw there is a commentary track by Chabrol. You might be surprised hearing him talk about certain scenes. Every cut has meaning, nothing is superfluous. It's the problem with Chabrol: his style is so economical, unpretentious and unflashy, that many people confuse it with banal and 'TV-like'. The fact that he plays with stereotypes and genre cliches and has a penchant for farcical and broad humour and caricatural acting, makes it hard to see often what an intelligent and virtuoso filmmaker he actually is. But the film-making itself, the cinematography, is brilliant and the content is subtle and layered. It took me many years to appreciate Chabrol. When I first saw L'Enfer, I thought it was just ok. When I saw it again years later, it almost felt like a different film, full of subtle meanings. Check out - if you haven't and if you're interested - Le Boucher, La Ceremonie, Que La Bete Meure, ... (Hope I don't sound too schoolteacher-like; just trying to share my enthusiasm and what I understand to be an understanding.)

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@ bertdockx

Your post is very interesting and I agree with much of what you write about Chabrol. There is an ease in his films that makes it easy to take them for granted. My issue with this film was the comparisons I made between it and the footage of Clouzot's version, which would have been a cinematic masterpiece.

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I still have to see that other L'Enfer, the film about Clouzot's unfinished film. Very interested in seeing it. But I'm definitely more of a Chabrol-fan, than a Clouzot-fan. I liked Les Diaboliques and Le Salaire De La Peur very much, but there's at least ten films by Chabrol that I like even more. I do realize that most people consider Diaboliques and Salaire as classics / masterpieces and probably superior to anything Chabrol did, but well, I disagree :) .

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My favourite Clouzot film is Quai des Orfèvres. What I like about Clouzot is the light humorous touches he manages even though his subject matter might be dark and he was himself a troubled man. Do see the film about Clouzot's Inferno. The footage is so good it makes me weep it was not completed. The film fills in the problems that arose and prevented completion. Chabrol has a light humorous touch as well but I find him perverse and obtuse at times. My favourites from him are La Fleur du Mal, Le Boucher, La Cérémonie and Le Beau Serge. What are yours? The worst films I've seen from him were La Rupture and Une Partie de Plaisir and Les Biches was weird notwithstanding Jean-Louis Trintignant. I don't mind if you prefer Chabrol to Clouzot. My film snobbery means I distain people that have 'correct' or generic choices as favourites. Any film fan is going to have a mix of classic and idiosyncratic choices.

A bird sings and the mountain's silence deepens.

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Haven't seen Quai des Orfèvres, and would like to see La Prisonnière. Chabrol can be obtuse, maybe, but it doesn't bother me really. In general I tend to perceive his films as simple on the outside, complex underneath the surface, a bit like Hitchcock really (a cliché comparison, I know, and in many ways only superficially appropriate). On the other hand, I find Clouzot's pessimism (from what I've seen) a tad tiresome, heavy-handed, too one-sided and Chabrol's films in general more subtle, sharp, warm and perceptive ... Perverse? Yes, definitely, but deliciously so! Chabrol is one of the few directors who can actually make me laugh out loud, and more often than sometimes. Chabrol and Bunuel are the funniest directors for me.

My favourite films by Chabrol are probably Le Boucher and La Cérémonie, but I also love Au Coeur Du Mensonge, Rien Ne Va Plus, Merci Pour Le Chocolat, Bellamy, La Fleur Du Mal, Une Affaire De Femmes, Violette Nozière, Betty, L'Enfer, ... I obviously have a soft spot for late period Chabrol, even though I only started to like his films through the older, more reverred ones (La Femme Infidèle, Que La Bete Meure, Juste Avant La Nuit, etc.) I still like those a lot, but I keep coming back to the later ones. I find them extremely entertaining, and still, every time I revisit one of them, they've become richer, despite them being so economical. Still haven't seen Le Beau Serge, nor Les Bonnes Femmes (apparently a half-forgotten masterpiece.)

Les Biches and La Rupture are no personal favourites of mine, even though I liked them, but I've only seen them once, and tend to like Chabrols films more when rewatching. Une Partie De Plaisir is very, very bleak and harrowing, and too long, but I very much liked it nevertheless. I can definitely understand people hating it, though. Often cited as very weak efforts, I still liked Nada a lot, and adored Au Coeur Du Mensonge, which actually made me cry.

"My film snobbery means I distain people that have 'correct' or generic choices as favourites. Any film fan is going to have a mix of classic and idiosyncratic choices." Let's see:

Other directors I love are Bunuel, Hitchcock, Polanski, Zvyagintsev, Denis, Martel, Melville, Bresson, Rohmer, Ozon, Lynch, Weerasethakul, Dardennes, ... Only recently discovering Altman and Godard, and starting to love 'em. Some random favourite movies from other directors: La Jetée (film of films), The Conversation, Il Posto, The Shout, L'Eclisse, Day Of Wrath, Spirit Of The Beehive, Meshes Of The Afternoon, Street Of Crocodiles, Sherlock Jr, ... More recent favourites: Elena, L'Inconnu Du Lac, Under The Skin, A Most Violent Year, Two Lovers, Les Salauds, Neighbouring Sounds, ... Directors I feel I should maybe get to know better: Ozu, Resnais, Renoir, Ruiz, Jarman, Sirk, Ford, Cassavettes, Rossellini, Lang, Wilder, Fellini, Almodovar, Allen, Peckinpah, Ray, Lean, Ophuls, Powell, Davies, ... Directors whose films I tend to enjoy less than many other cinephiles seem to: Kubrick, Nolan, Loach, Leigh, Tarantino, Mendes, Fincher, Scorsese, Del Toro, Spielberg, Eastwood, Villeneuve, both Andersons, Malick, Kar-Wai, Jackson, ...

My apologies for rambling on. When I get started on cinema, people tend to look for cover ...

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You are a big Chabrol fan! Funny, I don't find Clouzot pessimistic. He has a good sense of humour that is to be found in most of his films. I think you would like Renoir.

Other directors I love are Bunuel, Hitchcock, Polanski, Zvyagintsev, Denis, Martel, Melville, Bresson, Rohmer, Ozon, Lynch, Weerasethakul, Dardennes, ... Only recently discovering Altman and Godard, and starting to love 'em. Some random favourite movies from other directors: La Jetée (film of films), The Conversation, Il Posto, The Shout, L'Eclisse, Day Of Wrath, Spirit Of The Beehive, Meshes Of The Afternoon, Street Of Crocodiles, Sherlock Jr, ... More recent favourites: Elena, L'Inconnu Du Lac, Under The Skin, A Most Violent Year, Two Lovers, Les Salauds, Neighbouring Sounds, ... Directors I feel I should maybe get to know better: Ozu, Resnais, Renoir, Ruiz, Jarman, Sirk, Ford, Cassavettes, Rossellini, Lang, Wilder, Fellini, Almodovar, Allen, Peckinpah, Ray, Lean, Ophuls, Powell, Davies, ... Directors whose films I tend to enjoy less than many other cinephiles seem to: Kubrick, Nolan, Loach, Leigh, Tarantino, Mendes, Fincher, Scorsese, Del Toro, Spielberg, Eastwood, Villeneuve, both Andersons, Malick, Kar-Wai, Jackson, ...
All the bibs I agree with most strongly. I'm not familiar with all of your favourite directors and some, like Rohmer, I dislike. Same with film choices etc.

For me I love the Dardenne brothers, Haneke, Lynch, Hitch, Varda, Dumont, Strickland, *Maurice Pialat* (my fav) and quite a few others to be found on my favourite directors' list. Films, well they're harder to choose as there are so many. Three favourites that remain as favs: My Life as a Dog, Manhunter and The Piano Teacher. As a rule I dislike American cinema and any blockbuster film. If you are an American, please don't take offence. My taste has changed a lot and where I enjoyed American films once upon a time, I no longer do.
A bird sings and the mountain's silence deepens.

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