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I'm a little confused as to the nationality of the characters


Okay, so it's apparent that Ben Kingsley is meant to be a native of the unspecified South American country because of his accent (definitely not British) but what about Sigorney Weaver and her husband?
I can only assume that they were (U.S.) American because of the accents and also because Sigorney is so white. Course then I wonder why on Earth she woudn't flee the country after she was released from her torturers.
I did miss the first six mminutes of the film. Maybe that was explained? Anyone know?

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Ben Kingsley's accent was definitely not British, but I think it was American more than anything else. Everybody had an American accent. Even the radio announcer Sigourney Weaver was listening to at the start of the film and the president and the other people that the lawyer speaks to on the phone. But I assume all the characters were natives of whatever country the movie is set in. Would having them all use Spanish accents have fooled the audience into thinking that they weren't speaking English? It doesn't really matter because the setting doesn't particularly matter.

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Ariel Dorfman who wrote the original stage play on which this production is based is a Chilean who was forced into exile in the United States during the Pinochet dictatorship. He wrote this play shortly after the fall of the dictatorship in Chile, and it is his response to that event. Forget the accents or lack of them. All characters are intended to be nationals of the unnamed South American country.

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are you an idiot???
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You quack me up

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The unspecified South American country is Chile,chilean money appears and other details...nevermind the accents they are supposed to be speaking Spanish..it´s like watching Gladiator and start wandering about the accents of the actors when they are supposed to be speaking in Latin....aah!! and with your remark about Sigournet Weaver´s tone of skin in Chile we also have white people

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You do realize that South America is NOT a country in Africa?

There are plenty of clues in the film to suggest it's Chile, a country whose, GASP, population is over 90% white. Argentina is about 97% white.

Get out of the backyard once in a while.

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My opinion is that the question of the Escobar's nationality is not uninteresting. Why would Paulina come back into the country in wich she's been torturded? My hypothesis is that they may never be gone since her liberation, 15 years ago. The scene takes place very recently after the fall of the dictatorship. Until thoses day, leaving the country may have been forbidden so that Paulina and Gerardo had to stay until nowadays. In the book, the character mention her imminent leaving as if talking about hollidays... maybe they have never been gone, since the day Paulina was back to Gerardo.
OR
After her liberation, Paulina and Gerardo have left the country. Todays Gerardo, who must be known as a famous resilient (he is the one Miranda was looking for), is back to judge the affair. That reason may be strong enough to explain his back and Paulina's... not so sure of this second hypothesis...

and sorry 'bout my english!! just a young froog eater... bye :)

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""You do realize that South America is NOT a country in Africa?

There are plenty of clues in the film to suggest it's Chile, a country whose, GASP, population is over 90% white. Argentina is about 97% white.""


And you are aware there are White Africans in Africa..?

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"And you are aware there are White Africans in Africa..?"

Oh YEAH, all 9% or so in South Africa, and 0.00000002% in some other African countries. About as signiicant a number as the 10% non whites in Chile, or 3% in Argentina.

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"my question is.... WHO THE *beep* CARES??? "

Evidently YOU do, because you decided to make a point of replying a post from long, long ago and inject a quip with no pertinence to the original inquiry. As to WHY it was even brought up, read the original post and the other replies to it and you will see that the original statement stands as fact and unlike your inane statement of the obvious was indeed pertinent to what was being discussed. The demographics, language, history, culture etc. of the characters in a movie or play in which the context isn’t laid out and spoon fed to the audience are all valid pieces of evidence to try and deduce whether the material deals with a specific country, regional or is dealing with the subject in a purely abstract way.

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You do realize that South America is NOT a country in Africa?

There are plenty of clues in the film to suggest it's Chile, a country whose, GASP, population is over 90% white. Argentina is about 97% white.

Get out of the backyard once in a while.

Evidently YOU do, because you decided to make a point of replying a post from long, long ago and inject a quip with no pertinence to the original inquiry. As to WHY it was even brought up, read the original post and the other replies to it and you will see that the original statement stands as fact and unlike your inane statement of the obvious was indeed pertinent to what was being discussed.

My point was, you made a ridiculous example bringing up africa ..as if only black people lived in that country or something. Lol Hey, i`m not the one crying and pointing out how many X numbers are white in so and so countries... So What???
Chile has more whites than africa..lol point is both countries have em...Get it?
I would love to take the time to read all of the posts but since this topic is not important enough for me to do so..i will not! As for the movie, I wasn't the one crying about the characters' background either. Again, I only saw your comment on Africa and felt impelled to respond to it. Is that ok with you? I enjoyed the film without needing to know the characters' places of birth just fine thank you very much.

By the way, To be clear and for the record.. Chile's pop's European and Mestizo 89.7%; Mapuche (Araucanian) 9.6% Aymara 0.5%; and Rapa Nui Polynesian 0.2%.

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"I would love to take the time to read all of the posts but since this topic is not important enough for me to do so..i will not!"

Yet you have time to keep trying to justify your inane comment with even more.

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"Yet you have time to keep trying to justify your inane comment with even more"

Of course I have the time...
I always have time to chat to nice decent people like yourself, but not to read up on topics I don't find interesting.

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Oh.My.
Dense people are dense.
My guess is that BobbyD_Pacino is a troll, he even implied Africa was a country at one point.

bunch of second hand electric donkey-bottom biters!

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The story is suppose to set in Chile

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Well, as many other people have already said, the country is Chile. Main actors are not Southern American, but British or from the USA.

On the other hand it was filmed in Galicia, a region in the North-West of Spain in Southern-Western Europe (Peugeot 405 was a very popular car in Spain those years). So we can consider it as one of the first "global movies", isn't it?

:-D

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So we can consider it as one of the first "global movies", isn't it?


Hardly.

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"On the other hand it was filmed in Galicia, a region in the North-West of Spain in Southern-Western Europe (Peugeot 405 was a very popular car in Spain those years)."

I think they used the Peugeot for authenticity, they was manufactured under license in Argentina, and many of them sold to Chile.

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The racial majority in South America is Caucasian. Their accents really don't matter and it's assumed they were both from the country they were currently living in. It's placed in a South American country - but films often scrub out the accents. It's a distraction and doesn't lend anything to the characters or the story.

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You know,

The sad part is, despite the fact that this 'unamed' South American country is almost certainly Chile, it could be Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, El Salvador, Nicaragua or any of another half dozen other Central or South American countries.

All of these have had repressive regimes at one time or another that have used torture and have 'disappeared' thousands of people over the last 40 years. You have to rank this film up there with other socially conscious films about South America's suffering like SALVADOR, ONE MAN'S WAR, and ROMERO just to name a few.

And yes, the American Government quietly supported these guys simply because they were not 'Reds'. Supporting some fascist monster just because he is not a Marxist all in the name of a philosopy called 'Real Politik' is bad policy that will eventually come back to haunt you....but I digress.

I'm not surprised that Miranda went kind of nuts towards the end. Torture is the last resort of a lazy or unsophisticated interrogator. The confessions you get are useless and they end up literally dictating the confession to them. It also removes a lot of the dignity from death, and ultimately destroys the souls of the torturers, who slowly become mad themselves.

Many become so sadistic, that their own superiors fear or loathe them and they often have to be gotten rid of because their 'confessions' are worthless or gothic exercises that revolt their own leaders. Many just become too dangerous to keep around and get executed on some trumped up charge or even end up in their own torture chambers.

It is not often commented on (because we are naturally more concerned with the victims, not the disturbed individual who torment them), but torturers have all sorts of emotional problems because of what they do. Many drink heavily or do drugs to manage their guilt or shame. Many will demonize their victims or view them as animals or sub-human to avoid feeling sympathy for them (i.e. you can respect a resilient and brave enemy). Quite a few go mad and turn their torture chamber into their own playground under the guise of doing their job.

Some of the more sophisticated torturers ascribe to a twisted form of psychiatry, and they rationalize that the victims are 'sick' and their dissident behavior is part of some kind of 'personality disorder' by trying to get them to confess (by coercion or by drugs during interrogation) they are helping them release their guilt and take their punishment and see their 'error' and therby rejoin their society.

This point of view goes a long way to give legitimacy to the ruling Junta or political party and salve the conscience (what is left of it) of the interrogators. Again, you can respect or empathize with a brave enemy who withstands torture, but you can only pity a 'sick' person, and you can feel good that you are trying to fix a 'sick' mind, right?

It's pretty sad when the only rational person in THAT room is strapped to a table.



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The ruling Junta (Pinochet's) 'hired' this guy when he was a resident or medical student. The problem was that WAY too many victims were getting accidentally killed during torture, and they figured that the interrogators were getting overzealous so they hired some medical people to make sure that this didn't happen.

We can only surmise that Miranda had some latent torture fantasies that he was kind of unaware of until he succumbed to his darker nature. The interrogators egged him on and he resisted for a while, but when people are all around you DOING IT, your psyche can get overpowered and you can get influenced.

My personal opinion is that the guy was a borderline sadist that got tipped over the edge. He 'resisted' it as long as he could and then embraced it...in some ways going crazier than the people he was trying to keep an eye on.

This is why it is important to have some kind of a moral compass (religion, ethics, some kind of belief system). There needs to be something bigger than your self that points out the difference between RIGHT AND WRONG, or you'll be able to rationalize anything.

'Character' is can be described as how you behave even when you think noone is looking or you won't get caught.

In a larger sense, this movie asks a question about the 'bigger picture of humanity', really, but the film never comes out and aks it directly.

Can you guess what it is?

We all basically dance around the fundamental question, so here it is:

"Are we, as a species, getting MORE civilized as time goes on, or LESS civilized?"

We like to THINK of humanity in general as being civilized, but what does that mean?

We live in cities?

We, as a species, have erradicated primodial impulses so that they are no longer part of 'normal' human standards of acceptable behavior:

1. Ritualized human sacrifice
2. Cannibalism
3. Legalized incest
4. Legalized slavery...or have we?

Is Torture next on our list?

I have my doubts, especially since 'War' is still part of government policy everywhere (even the good guys).




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The sad part is, despite the fact that this 'unamed' South American country is almost certainly Chile, it could be Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, El Salvador, Nicaragua or any of another half dozen other Central or South American countries.

All of these have had repressive regimes at one time or another that have used torture and have 'disappeared' thousands of people over the last 40 years. You have to rank this film up there with other socially conscious films about South America's suffering like SALVADOR, ONE MAN'S WAR, and ROMERO just to name a few.

And yes, the American Government quietly supported these guys simply because they were not 'Reds'. Supporting some fascist monster just because he is not a Marxist all in the name of a philosopy called 'Real Politik' is bad policy that will eventually come back to haunt you....but I digress.


The strange thing is, Chile is one of the best countries in South America in terms of quality of life and gross domestic product. I spoke with a Chilean once, to get the word straight from the horse's mouth. I asked him if his country would have been better off today if Allende had remained in power and succeeded in nationalizing all industries, or if Pinochet, despite 15 years of fascism, managed to make the country a better place in the long term. He admitted that the country was better off today with Pinochet having been in power.

That doesn't excuse the human rights violations or Allende's assassination, mind you, I'm simply talking about the realities of the current state of the country.

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That conjecture is worth nothing, seeing as the United States CIA in conjunction with the rightists in Chile began a fierce campaign to destabilize the country from even before Allende was elected--mass strikes that were funded by US bribes, artificial shortages of foods and goods, and so on. Was the rule of Pinochet (in some ways, namely economically) better than the rule that Allende was allowed to have in his country? Maybe yes. Would Allende's rule have been better than Pinochet's if Kissinger and the CIA hadn't conspired to ruin him? There's no knowing that, but probably yes.

The coup was carefully designed to appear as if it had saved Chile from the disasters created by Allende--disasters which were in fact created by the United States.

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people.” —Henry Kissinger, June 27, 1970

Allende assumes his democratically-elected position as president: November 4, 1970

Allende is assassinated using American technology: September 11, 1973

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_FUBELT

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That would depend on how you measure these things. Actually, most Latin Americans are mestizos. Even Chile, as one blogger stated, is 70% mestizo, as is Venezuela. Brazil is almost half black or mulatto, Bolivia and Guatemala are more than half Native American and 90% of Paraguayan citizens have at least some Guarani ancestry. The only Latin American nations that are predominantly European are Argentina and Uruguay. Regarding what country this was supposed to portray, they mentioned the time frame 1975-1980. Most of Latin America, including Chile, was still under dictatorships at this time. The only dictatorship to fall in 1980 was in Peru. Notwithstanding the car and the currency, could this have been the country it was portraying?

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