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I love this movie but it makes no sense


I find this movie to be really enjoyable, despite the fact that the script is highly illogical. He goes back in time, changes the past, and thus comes back to a world drastically different from the one he left.

But where are the machines coming from? They're said to be coming from the lab, in an attempt to "contain the paradox timeline." How can there be a lab, if history was changed? Is this movie trying to say that the two timelines exist simultaneously, like parallel universes? Is that why all those people disappeared from the lab in the beginning? Were they switching over to the parallel universe? If so, who is sending the robots? Is it completely automated? Does the lab have an infinite supply of robots?

Then they find a parallel lab in the screwed-up universe. It's said to have survived "translation" into the new timeline. What the hell does that mean? How can the lab be in both timelines? Wouldn't disease and robot attacks kind of prevent people from building a lab to research time travel?

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imagine 2 timelines, with a diagonal line going from the end of the top one to the beginning of the bottom one, like a 'Z', this is basically whats happening I think, the robots come from the 1st one and travel into a point in the 2nd, this continues until the main character goes back to stop it at the originating point in the 1st.


something like that.

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No, that still doesn't make sense.

If robots are leaving at one point in the first timeline and then entering the second timeline around the 70s to wipe out the virus, that would most likely prevent a lab from ever being constructed in the second timeline. It also doesn't explain why people vanished from the first timeline upon the creation of the second timeline.

Furthermore, if robots were constantly being sent to the alternate timeline to wipe out the virus, eventually the lab in the first timeline would run out of robots, wouldn't it? It's not like there are any people in that timeline to manufacture more.

Even if the virus is eventually wiped out in the second timeline, then what? There is still an alternate timeline. Killing people and blowing things up may eventually eradicate the virus in the second timeline, but that timeline will still exist.

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You're right, it is confusing, but i'm going from a (very old) memory of it.

Gonna have to dig up a copy sometime to make more sense of it.

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They kind of went both into the "many-universes" school of thought, where the "original lab" was sending the APEX thingies. However, they have the main guy jump into the alternate timeline, and then had some weird explanation that space-time *itself* was correcting things by "sucking" people back into the correct timeline; which is the reason that everyone seems to dissappear suddenly in the alternate, screwed-up timeline.

Still they did get continuity errors: while the lab might have been "time-sealed" or something like that, how would the alternate timeline have information on what that building was in the first place?? If the world has been a war zone for whatever number of years, the lab itself might have not even been able to be built!!!

Anyway, it was fun to watch, even if the continuity errors did stick out a lot.

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they also have radio conversations across different times, but lets not worry about that

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Well this is a bit of a forum necro... In a forum about a movie about time travel. Weird. It's a not very often used time travel sub plot involving paradoxes, I'll explain it as best I can. Basically, there is one "official" time line that can ever exist. One can travel the time line back and forth, and for the most part everything is OK even with the presence of time travelers. However, if any significant changes occur, the time line is "damaged" and in an act of self repair, it "fixes" discrepancies and errors in it's time line by erasing key points so that time makes sense again.

The "error" we are talking about is a disease that originated in the future that the main character is from, which should ONLY exist in the future, but was brought through time to the past on one of their robots, and contracted by someone in the past. This could be represented as a *beep* or splintering on the normally whole time line. The problem became more complicated by the laboratory in the future sending assault robots to the past to eliminate people who had contracted the disease, which actually only made the problem worse... These people's deaths were sealed in stone on the time line, but due to the interference from the future, their deaths happened prematurely specifically due to entities from the future. This made the timeline essentially fracture and break. In an effort to mend this, the time line started erasing the previous future slowly, replacing it with a new future that corresponds with these new events that happened in the past (the death robots and disease out break).

It's lesser used because it's so ill defined. By the start of the film, the future is already being erased from existence, and replaced with the alternate future where robots destroyed mankind, and has been being erased for some time. The past, however, that they send the main character to is the exact point where the virus was first transmitted to the past (that kid at the very start that ran into the robot was patient zero) and from this past, which is different from the future the main character came from, the new future popped up. The problem with it is the definition of "Significant changes". In some works, going into the past and eating a single grain of rice is not enough, even though technically you've changed the past, to cause time to have to heal itself in any noticeable manner. In other works, your mere presence in the past is enough to start causing reality to fall apart. In some works, there just end up being multiple time lines, in others there is only a prime time line that exists which can be replaced by other time lines as an act of self preservation by the very concept of time. It's weird basically.

Tick Tock Goes the Clock...

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