Aaaaaaaaaaaaand it's gone!!!
Andaz Apna Apna has disappeared from the Top 250! Out of nowhere! It's nice to see some integrity restored to the list.
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How did you celebrate, you moronic douchebag?
shareIt's not about race or ethnicity, guys. It's quality. A crappy screenplay remains crappy no matter what language you translate it into. I liked some of the Indian movies I've watched. Like Stars On Earth is wonderful -- a 9/10. Udaan was moving -- an 8/10. Dil Chahta Hai is one of my favorite movies ever. I'm serious. It's ranked #15 on my all time Favorite Movies list. A perfect 10. There are other ones I like, but I'll avoid writing a novel here. But Andaz Apna Apna I don't really like. It's just my taste. And that's all there is to it.
shareIt's not about race or ethnicity, guys.
Actually, it is.
It's quality. A crappy screenplay remains crappy no matter what language you translate it into.
Disagree, Screenplay fits the tone really well. Film was never meant to take seriously. If you think Screenplay is crappy then I feel sorry for you.
I liked some of the Indian movies I've watched. Like Stars On Earth is wonderful -- a 9/10. Udaan was moving -- an 8/10. Dil Chahta Hai is one of my favorite movies ever. I'm serious. It's ranked #15 on my all time Favorite Movies list. A perfect 10. There are other ones I like, but I'll avoid writing a novel here. But Andaz Apna Apna I don't really like. It's just my taste. And that's all there is to it.
AAA is cult classic which flopped initially. I like to ask a question, I mean if ImDb's staff doesn't give this movie positive review. It won't be in Top 250 right?? You actually think some fanboys rated this as 10 just to "move" a movie to Top 250? You are wrong, Because This movie will be rated 10 by generations to come. Good Luck to you for stopping that. share
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Hahahaha....lol "Integrity stored to the list"??? I think until now never has been IMDB such low on integrity. Think about it man - you people, living in an egalitarian concept of a society(ie democracy), make a international website on the same concept. And then suddenly, just because you wish, you want to bog down your opinions and taste over the plain, simple and just rule of one individual one vote!
I cannot think of another hypocritical website as IMDB. Its not that every indian likes every american movie on the list, but we never complain like you. I just see it as a reflection of the majorities likes and taste. And no, I don't rate movie higher because of nationalistic reasons. Yes, may be many indians do, but then many people rate movies higher/lower because of all the wrong reasons. One popular reason is to bring down/up a movie from/in the Top 250 list.
Good/Bad movie is a subjective thing. Let it remain that way. The obvious purpose/intent of websites such as IMDB seems to be that OK, let people decide that thing. But now, it seems that it has deviated a lot from its original purpose. I could have understood some kind of filter being applied, so as to make possible only those movies entry into the list, which are popular all over the world, and not just in a specific geographical/cultural zone. But seeing that this movie is just gone from the list straight from the 104th position so quickly, its obvious that they are doing it manually and for all the wrong reasons.
I wish someday some noble, cinephile would buy this website and restore its integrity. It doesn't even have a customer support where you could formally lodge your complaint.
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb Customer support!
shareI think the problem is that Indian films get thousands and thousands of 10-star votes from individuals whose sole motive is to get the films into the Top 250. I mean look at Andaz Apna Apna -- 49 PERCENT of voters gave it a 10. That is an absurdly high number. Even great films like The Matrix and Fight Club have 32% and 37% respectively in that category -- but that's still well short of 49%.
How can I be so sure this inflated voting is going on? Because I've seen IMDb users like "MyNameisNobody14" posting on message boards far and wide across the site, encouraging other users to give 10's to random Indian films. So what happens is:
1. Users like MyNameisNobody14 encourage other users to blindly give 10-star ratings to random films
2. These random films eventually get 25,000 votes and insanely high ratings, vaulting them into the Top 250
3. IMDb administrators eventually catch on to the fact that voting inflation (maybe even ballot stuffing) has taken place, and then manually remove these films from the list
That's it. The irony of these users is that they're actually HARMING the reputation of the Indian film industry rather than helping it. Thousands of IMDb users like me see a film with a rating of 8.6 and instantly get excited........UNLESS it's an Indian film. Because if it's an Indian film, it has almost certainly been overrated.
I don't totally agree with you.
I have seen postings of Mynameis.. and he just says to vote for the film. Not rate it 10, I think. Or may be I am forgetting, I don't know, but thats what I remember.
May be he is just sure inside himself that the movie will get good ratings only, and so would I have been if in his place, because these movies were superhit in India. Some of them, including AAA are cult movies in India, like Shawshank Redemption in US.
The pattern of 10,9,8...,3,2,1 rate votes you are describing of Indian films, I have seen in many hollywood films which I didn't liked. And many Indian films with such pattern and high ratings have been appreciated by foreigners in message boards.
I want to remind you again that good/bad movie is a subjective thing. Unless a survey has been done, no one can surely say that all these movies are disliked by majority of foreigners. Here you are just superimposing your own opinions onto the whole non-indian community. We can't just know this thing for sure by reading few postings of message boards becoz not necessarily every1 who is liking d movie is also posting!
I can understand there r cultural differences due to which value of a movie changes when seen across different cultures, and I have already said that I totally agree with some kind of filter which avoids movies having all the votes from just one geographical/cultural entity. But then, this shouldn't be just applied to Indian movies, but to all movies from the world.
I really don't know, how someone can manually detect ballot stuffing. I suppose there would be algorithms for doing all this. When its done manually, there will be suspicion, atleast from my side.
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Baseless lies of a bigot? Then what's THIS???
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3322420/board/thread/231815837
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Hey Brah, come back to the AAA board. Your worst nightmare is back brah.
share>49 PERCENT of voters gave it a 10. That is an absurdly high number.
To have convincing evidence, you need to cite films similar to this one that are NOT in the top 250. Top 250 movies are exposed to the general (IDMB) public, which is going to shift the average rating down. You need to find movies like "Fight Club" and "The Matrix" that are not (ideally, never were) on the top 250. I.e., high-rated movies without enough votes to make it on the top 250.
No, not on your favorite list. But on the list of top Indian movies. It is higher than 3 idiots, which happens to be on IMDb top 250.
IMDb has totally lost it's credibility to please bigots like you.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand it's back on #88
Movies are like art; sometimes a masterpiece, but most of the time just worthless crap.
Don't get why Indian movies even are on the top 250 list when they have their own dedicated top 100 list! And the reason they have so to begin with is because their ratings are always ridiculously inflated! Wonder how those ratings would look like if we didn't count Indian votes....
shareNo worries. It'll just disappear from the Top 250 the old-fashioned way, over time. As more and more people watch and rate it, it will gradually fall through the rankings. I mean with a history like this (http://250.took.nl/title/tt0109117), that fate is undeniable.
And to all who are crying racism/prejudice, all I can really say is that you are wrong, regarding me at least. Like Stars on Earth also appeared in the Top 250 a couple days ago, but I love that film and hope it remains. I've always felt that 3 Idiots should remain as well. And Dil Chahta Hai, while not being on the list, is my favorite Bollywood movie of all.
" it will gradually fall through the rankings. "
The last time, it really didn't fall through the rankings. rather, it was removed overnight to appease prejudiced individuals like you.
Only voters from one country rate films like these highly. It's not fair for this movie to crack the Top 250 with such artificially inflated ratings. It's got nothing to do with prejudice. But a cultural marxist like you can't see reason if it hit you in the face.
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"Only voters from one country rate films like these highly. It's not fair for this movie to crack the Top 250"
Tell that to IMDb admins so that they can yet again change their whimsical and opaque rules to suit your disposition.
It's fallen 22 spots in just a few weeks. I'm telling you man.......it's going to be toast.
shareI totally agree with Philippe277.
I've seen imdb's top250 myself and in general I love Bollywood movies.
Here's how I've rated:
Like Stars on Earth (2007): 10/10
3 Idiots (2009): 9/10
Rang De Basanti (2006): 8/10
Lagaan: Once Upon a Time in India (2001): 8/10
A Wednesday (2008): 9/10
Munna Bhai M.B.B.S. (2008): 8/10
Dil Chahta Hai (2001): 8/10
Gangs of Wasseypur (2012): 7/10
PK (2014): 8/10
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Andaz Apna Apna (1994): 2/10
The story in AAA is trivial and boring, the quality of the movie is awful, all actors are monstrously overacting... I could go on and on, why this movie is distasteful and uninteresting, but basically anyone could make a better movie, if I they just own a high-8 camera and a box of costumes.
So please don't call people bigots for not liking one Bollywood movie. Just accept that AAA (to us) is horrendously done and is unfunny and trivial at best.
But if you think that voting this movie up, will make it popular all over the world and it will it stay in imdb's top250... You are in for a surprise.
I notice my list of movies that I haven't seen in the top 250 has jumped back to '9' because of all the Indian movies returning. At least when you watch other foreign movies in the Top 250 you are almost guaranteed of a good movie, unlike Indian movies which seem to be much of the same each time, dancing, singing etc.
What annoys me are the good films that the Indian movies are keeping out of the list.
I've yet to see 'Gangs of Wasseypur' because it is not available anywhere with subtitles, not even for rent (and I'm certainly not going to buy the DVD) which is holding me up from completing the 2014 list. Thankfully it was dropped in time to complete the 2015 list.
It seems strange that the movies in the top 5 of the Indian Top 250 have so few ratings perhaps the fake voting robots have not found their way to them yet.
"It seems strange that the movies in the top 5 of the Indian Top 250 have so few ratings perhaps the fake voting robots have not found their way to them yet."
Those are old movies. Few have watched them. Also, some of them are Tamil or Malayalam movies, so only Indians who can comprehend those languages ( mostly ) have seen them.