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so... my issue with its evolution....


I hate to drone on about this, but rewatching this series on DVD again, I am AGAIN reminded why I dislike the switch from season 1&2 to the hardcore 3 etc feel.

In the beginning, it was all about computers. The whole series REVOLVED around computers... the location, the people, the dialog, the bad jokes, the games, teh pop culture... ALL was about computers. Thus, the name: REBOOT. Again, computers.

I've worked in computers for a long time: from mainframes, to the first home computers and now into iPads etc - it's my career. So, I got a kick out of this great series that was obviously put together by people that KNEW THINGS about the computers they used to make the show. And about about overall systems.

Then comes the series "upgrade".
It still uses the same characters and locations, but now none of the plot is REALLY based around computers. Yes, it is a world IN computers but not really about it anymore. It become an action drama that, quite frankly, could be situated anywhere: outerspace, Deep Space Nine, on Earth.... anything.... there isn't anything special that says "THIS has to reside in a COMPUTER NETWORK system"
It's JUST another action drama. And I haven't seen any intrusive GAME CUBES since they left.

Just venting. It won't change anything, but that is why I can't enjoy the newer seasons as well as the old.

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yep i agree too,

i lost interest in the series after season 2, and i rarely revisit 3 and 4.
another note; collectibles from seasons 1 and 2 are much more valuable. i was offered 200 bucks for my white bob and 1000 dollars for my talent night collection [dot in her red gown, etc] from an english guy.

on a totally unrelated note; i was at a legoland in oslo this year and saw someone had created in amazing detail 'mainframe' with a 'warning incoming game' cube inserted, i think i was the only one who knew what it was. :)

reboot!

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I tend to think differently, that the storyline improved once the creators were granted more freedom with the story, and not held back by ABC/Broadcast Standards and Practices.

aspartame, did you happen to take a photo of that lego-ized Mainframe? I'd love to see it.

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I agree with Glitchbob (aka reddragonspike)

The story got way better once they were free of ABC. I love Season 3, I watch it more often than the first 2 seasons.
Season 4 was good, the only thing I didn't like was the cliffhanger ending which still stands which I know we will probably never see what happens next (the webcomic wasn't great so I choose to ignore it.
It's like 28 weeks later is left with a cliffhanger and won't get resolved, I HATE when that happens.

But what can you do.

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The show was ALWAYS about computers, even in Seasons 3 and 4.

3 is still the best season IMO; Matrix gave a true "Hero," to the show (though he was technically an anti-hero), in both image and what he did, unlike Bob.

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Just my perspectives, of course. It went from computers and video games and representing fighting off bad virus codes.... to dramatic adventure where a command com and a guardian "get married"?? does this mean they officially evolved into sentient beings? does it mean the protection program merged with the OS? It's like they become more like humans than the "Code" they actually are. And making Enzo a scarred bada$$ and his girl a "sexy" sprite just screams a desperate cry for ratings over substance. But maybe they ran out of "computer world" based ideas. Well, nowdays there are a billion clever directions one could go within the Reboot world.

Bit sure how NBC held back the computer plots at all... just certain language, visuals and actions.

So many times in season 3 plus they were in a war room deciding how to flank Megabytes troops in this explosion filled battle, and I sit there bored thinking, "Ok... they are fighting. Does that represent code attacking, infecting, replacing other code... or is it just fast action and explosions for everyone that didn't care about the computer side of things?"

I dunno. 3 and 4 lost what 1 and 2 had, and it became way more typical with drama, love and hate, action... all the common, boring, typical TV stuff... less of the clever computer related lingo, actions and resolutions.

... to me.

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Season 3 was the best season of the 4.

It got exciting, and seeing Enzo become Matrix was amazing. Never expected it.

I disagree with your opinion seasons 3 and 4 had plenty of substance allot more than just random adventures season 1 and most of season 2 had. It wasn't until the end of Season 2 that things really picked up for the series and it got so much better.

It still has allot to do with computers,exploring different systems,searching the net, getting home and having to eventually reboot the entire system to be purged of Megabytes's damage. Then with Season 4, fighting off a super virus and trying to get the world back to normal.

So much more than Seasons 1 and 2 had.

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Understood, and opinions completely respected.

But as someone who started with the old reboot, and works with computers, Reboot's evolution headed AWAY from what I loved about it, and into the "This will sell better by becoming more bada$$" territory, much like many other TV programs that make me yawn.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy season 3 and 4 as one long (continuing) animated movie extension, for what it is, but it lost the stuff that *I* considered magical from the first season.

It's like if we took "It's a Charlie Brown Christmas" and added transformers and grew everyone up etc.... heck, Charlie and gang are STILL the same age and still in character... as are Simpsons, as is Family Guy - just examples of overly sucessfull animated TV shows that didn't need to evolve.

I guess, to me, the improvements to the next seasons simply "jumped the shark". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_the_shark

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I understand and respect what you liked about it. I liked it too. I liked it more in the context of the new show, where it was that old stuff with, yes some flashy action and story. What can I say, I like that stuff. I love the story of season 3.

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I think you're selling the the latter part of season two and beyond unfairly short here! The 'darkness' and violence of seasons three and four weren't just for the sake of being dark and violent, but served to create a prescient and intelligent allegory about the growing dangers of an increasingly connected digital world. If Reboot had remained the same 'safe' cartoon it started out as, with episodic plots strung together by clever but ultimately shallow computer-geek in-jokes, it wouldn't have been nearly as enduring or worthy of attention as it became when it matured and focused more on the philosophical aspects of computing and information exchange.

For instance, isn't it interesting that the innocent little Enzo, exposed without guidance to the net, "grows" up much more quickly and cynically than he should have--or that constant exposure to violent games turned him into a violent person? Not so much unlike what we fear for our children here in the real world?

Isn't it interesting that Internet "pirates" become in a sense the couriers and saviors of culture in delivering Matrix and AndrAIa (along with their knowledge and experience of other systems/cultures) to an isolated society, in order to save it?

Or that the individualistic and idealistic Bob is made the victim of identity theft, which has parallels not only in the anonymous, financial, credit card sense, but also in the more malicious, personal sense utilized by bullies and smear artists to manipulate and terrorize people? Or even the simple idea of having multiple identities or versions of yourself (Kid Enzo vs. Matrix) floating around digitally, not so much unlike our various profiles and message board identities and so forth?

Isn't it interesting too that some "viruses" (Like Hex) and "hackers" (like Mouse or the codemasters), despite being painted as ambiguously evil or untrustworthy, turn out to be more just and noble than those who condemn and attempt to destroy them?

Or, probably most notably of all, that Daemon's seemingly benign but ultimately monopolistic desire to control the entire web, what goes on it and how we access it, echoes disturbingly of modern efforts by tech monstrosities like Google, Facebook, Microsoft and Apple to do pretty much the same thing?

These are some important and sophisticated issues that the Reboot creative minds were examining before they had really entered the popular consciousness. This isn't to say they were the first to do so, but considering where the show began, and what it grew into, and the subtlety with which they incorporated and ruminated on the themes they did, is, to me, absolutely striking. I suppose I can understand why some might enjoy the more playful first half of the series more than the second half, particularly if you're more oriented toward the tech-side of the industry rather than the philosophical side. But to me, the philosophical aspects are far more engaging, and I would never be convinced that that seasons three and four aren't exceptionally better and more important, artistically-speaking, than the cartoony seasons that preceded them. I enjoy seasons one and two for what they are, and Reboot wouldn't quite be Reboot without them, but it's the maturity of the final seasons that makes this series worth returning to again and again.

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Wow, klonkey, I'd never thought that deeply about it. If that's what they were going for, then I'm definitely very impressed with the show's creators.

In reference to the first question, I agree that there are two starkly different eras for this show, but I personally don't feel that one is better than another. The early cartoony stuff, with its bright colors and overt computer references and episodic story lines, are fun and entertaining and really establish the world of the show. The later stuff is, I feel, a better show in general—there's a more cohesive and overarching story, more character development, and (if I remember correctly as it's been a while since I saw seasons 3&4) better animation—but it's true, it comes at the expense of some of the geeky charm of the early stuff. But I think there's still enough computer references to keep me entertained.

Point is, for me, both styles are quite good and worth watching; it just depends on what mood I'm in.

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Yeah, the first two seasons were building a world, the third was about destroying it - gave it much more impact.

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Klonkey, you're amazing lol.

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I like the seasons three and four so much more because of the censorship issues the series had early on, the final seasons are to me what the creators always wanted from the show, but were unable to make because it was "too adult"...

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I think season 2 is a great way to transition into season 3 as well. The story arc of season 2, and then the first 4 episodes of season 3 really blend together into this darker realm really well. It may seem like a big jump, but it was sliding into already.

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must be that whole "Darker Realm" stuff that I have issue with. I get that kinda thing everywhere else in media, and personally, I;m sick of it. I like to be surrounded by happy entertainment, and the early season of Reboot (when I became a fan) seemed happier and more upbeat, less down-trodden and dark... like the rest of the real world. So, TO ME, they removed the happy, uplifting cartoon and went all rated-R doom and gloomy on me.

Like if they took Barney The Purple Dinosaur and gave him a machine gun and an eye patch... "Barney CAUSES extinction!" [blam blam balm blam!!] hahaha

I enjoy the later seasons animation and story, but prefer the short single episodes of the first seasons more. They were more unique, clever, not same old same old drama fests of regular TV fare.

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They wanted to tell a more complex and mature story. Can't blame them for that. It's still about computers. I never got the sense that it drifted away from that. It's just that it now has a more complex and mature story to go along with it. The type of story most older people can enjoy and appreciate (clearly you're in the minority).

I will agree that going dark just for the sake of being dark isn't good, but I don't get the sense that the creators went in that direction just for the sake of being dark. It was because they wanted to tell, again, a more mature and complex story (the episode "Number 7" in my opinion perfectly represents the type of complex, mature story they wanted to tell), and I for one will take that over the simple, episodic episodes of the first 2 seasons (not that I dislike those though. I like to view them as the good times, before things got bad).

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Save for Enzo's injured eye, I never found season 3 THAT violent. It got darker and more mature, but never too violent I think.

Where I think they started doing violent for the sake of doing violent I think is Phong's torture. I think they crossed the line there, as it was pointless (did Megabyte forget that he can download information off Phong? He already did that in the episode Infection).

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well few years later but figured I'd post my opinion. Klonkey hit all the good points proving season 3 and 4 were indeed about computers and there still was campy jokes, there was an episode where Matrix and Andrea find a Bob look alike that pretty much was "Kirk" from star trek esp the way he talked. Also you cannot compare season 1-2 and 3-4 with Barney. That is like comparing picking up a sunflower with bare hand compared to picking a rose with your bare hand. Yes both are flowers (both reboot and barney are shows) but like the rose where you can prick your hand on the thorns, Reboot already had violence and guns and such. Season 3-4 just placed more action/violence than there used to be. That is normal for a show, it has to up the stakes to keep viewers hooked. How many times does a family show dump a baby into it to "BOOST" ratings and give the family show more stories to work with.

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