When Ross revealed that his first time with Carroll was his first time, Joey and Chandler thought he was some kind of freak. He met Carroll in college in the 80s. Back then it wasn't unheard of for someone's first time to be in college, especially when the person was considered a geek in high school.
shareI don't think it was about when his first was. So much that if he first was Carol, then he'd only ever slept with 1 woman in his life -at that point, and that's not a lot for the sexual group the friends were. For them, that's below average.
Like when Monica found out Richard had only slept with 2 women -his ex wife, and her, she she was shocked. Then she goes on to say it was a small number.
Monica didn't lose her v-card until college either -after she lost weight. But by her late 20s, she'd made up for that lost time and had been with a good number of men -according to Phoebe saying there were "a lot", and Monica being scared to tell Richard her number. In addition to Monica admitting she had a habit of sleeping with men when she was depressed.
Even with Rachel -who was painted a bit more innocently in the beginning had more than 5 partners at least. Pete Carney, Billy Dreschan, Barry, Palo, and she fooled around with the dad of a boy she used to babysit.
Meanwhile, Ross just had 1, until Julie.
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Didn't Rachel sleep with Chip in high school too?
shareDon't forget the teacher she "got under" as she mentioned in the Season 7 episode
shareSure, the consistency was off. I remembered the professor, but that was post-season 3 Rachel, whom they wanted to make more "experienced."
When Ross asks her what her number is, he mentions her knowing all 2 of his past partners. And the way Rachel named off her guys, she made it seem like there was only those.
Rachel "There's you.."
Ross "Better not be doin these in order."
Rachel "Barry, Billy Dreschan, Pete Carney, and uh..Palo."
Also the episode where Rachel starts seeing Tag, and she mentioned she doesn't sleep with guys on the first date. Monica rattles off another list of guys she slept with on the first date, and none of them were named we'd heard before...
shareYep. Then there was season 4, when Chandler was trying to set Rachel up with a guy. He tells the guy Rachel was just looking for a fling, I think. Rachel yells at Chandler that you don't tell a guy that, and after she put out on the first date, he's gonna get the wrong idea.
So Rachel is not a virgin or innocent throughout the show. But with the character, she did have a more innocent feel about her at first, but it didn't last.
Look at Ross helping her do laundry. The old lady takes her machine. She walks away, and tells Ross. He has to tell the woman off, and get her to give Rachel's machine back. Rachel is impressed because she can't even send back soup. And Ross tells her she's very gentle and kind, not the type to make a scene. So when Rachel fights over her cart with the lady again, it's a big deal because she stood up for herself.
Rachel being a pushover was something that was picked up and dropped whenever it was convenient. Like how stupid Joey was. it varied, based on jokes.
We saw in season 3, she can send stuff back. in TOW The Flashback, Rachel is engaged to Barry, and she's with Mindy and another friend. The waitress brings the wrong drinks, and Rachel calls her back to tell her they were all wrong, then gives the drinks back to her.
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You're not familiar with the rule of three, are you?
shareYeah but someone who marries either their high school or college sweetheart is going to naturally have a lot lower number than anyone else. I have a couple of friends who married someone they met early in college so both of them have a number of 1 and since they are still married now that we are in our 40s its stayed at 1. So I never thought it was shocking that both him and Richard had low numbers.
shareYeah, and that's understandable. But the friends were more sexual, not conservative. So for them, it is weird. That's why is was odd.
And not everyone who marries their HS or College Sweethear has a lower number -depending on what you see as low. One lady I know admits she got married to her husband at 19, whom she was pregnant by. But prior to him, she had 34 partners. She keeps note of the people she sleeps with simply because she thinks it'd be weird to forget something like that. And given where she lives, she mentions some think that's a small number. And her number is higher now, because she and her husband have separated, and she's now living the Poly lifestyle and dating inside other couples, while also having casual relations with others on the side -men and women.
Then 1 girls in her 20s. She mentions she's trying to settle down and clean up her act, since guys are disrespectful to her given her sexual past. When she was in HS and up until she was around 23, her number of partners was around 50.
Some places / societies can be more sexual than others. So smaller numbers are odd in that regard. But then you go to smaller places / towns, that may be more conservative, and that small number may seem like no big deal, or even a lot depending.
Location can play a part in perception. Example, I grew up in a small town of 900 people. And my graduating class was 200. To me, that seemed like a lot at the time. One lady I spoke to grew up in a larger area, and she says she doesn't get how I lived in such a cramped place when her graduating glass was larger than the town population. lol
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Wildstyle26 wrote:
But the friends were more sexual, not conservative.When we first meet Ross, he is in his mid-20s. His sexual behavior over the next 10 years living in Greenwich Village is not the same as it was in college, nor should it be expected to be.His ability to get women has clearly improved, and I think it likely that he simply had more opportunities after college and after breaking up with Carol. And after breaking up with Rachel.
So for them, it is weird. That's why is was odd.Statistically, that Carol was the first woman that he had sex with – if that is the case – was probably below the norm, but it was neither weird nor odd from any realistic perspective.Of course Joey thought it was, but he has a distorted perspective. Chandler seems surprised suggesting that he had not thought that was the case. But other than being surprised, and I don't think he regarded it as weird. share
Wildstyle26 wrote:
Some places / societies can be more sexual than others.Yep, and Greenwich Village is definitely on the more side.I think a frequent cause of misunderstanding and disagreement is that people who have never lived in a group like that in Friends tend to have somewhat different sexual values than people who have. They tend to rate sex as much more significant than people who have.I am not at all surprised that Kathy ended up in bed with someone else after Chandler attacked her. I am not saying that it was right, but it is something that can well happen, and I don't judge her for it.schagris thought that it was an example of bad writing that Kathy was not given more motivation because she did not seem to be that sort of woman. In fact, all sorts of women can react that way, and no additional motivation was needed to make it realistic.I am not at all surprised that Ross came to the conclusion that he did when he heard Mark in Rachel's apartment, or that he ended up in bed with Chloe as a result of despair, alcohol, and Chloe being aggressive. I'm not saying that it is right, but I am saying that is what would happen more often than not, and I don't judge Ross.I am very surprised that Rachel did not get back with Ross fairly quickly if she loved him and wanted to be with him. Because that is what would usually happen in real life given the circumstances, and Rachel knows what Ross thought. And it was her fault that he thought that.My conclusion is that Rachel did not love Ross all that much and did not want to be with him. share
Lol, do you think "back then" was any different from today?
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aqib4 wrote:
When Ross revealed that his first time with Carroll was his first time, Joey and Chandler thought he was some kind of freak.I think that you are exaggerating. Ross is being very sentimental about it being the anniversary of the first time that he slept with Carol, and Chandler and Joey are being extremely dense about why that is important to him. Really, really dense and unsympathetic. And they're also very tired of Ross being sentimental about it.When Ross says that Carol was the first woman that he slept with, they finally understand why it is important to him. They had not realized this, and I think that was major part of their surprise. They can understand being sentimental about the first time you slept with a woman but apparently not the first time you slept with a particular woman after that.Of course Joey was surprised. From his point of view, it was strange. Chandler might also have been surprised because, in part of his mind, he knew that it wasn't strictly, literally true. From Ross's point of view, it was psychologically true, a concept that I don't think you could get across to Joey and maybe not to Chandler.
Ross: My first time with Carol was... (He mumbles the last part)Joey: What?Ross: It was my first time.Joey: With Carol? (Ross gives him a look.) Oh.Chandler: So in your whole life, you've only been with one—(He gets a look too)—oh.Joey: Whoah, boy, hockey was a big mistake! There was a whole bunch of stuff we could've done tonight!I do have to wonder what Joey meant by his last remark. share
I took it as Joey wanting to get Ross a hooker. My husband had a friend like Joey in his younger years, and because he was more sentimental like Ross, his friends were frustrated with him that he wasn't getting with chicks all over the place. They often talked about "taking him to a hooker to get it over with", which was a truly horrifying thought. Thankfully, they were all talk though.
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I took it as Joey wanting to get Ross a hooker.Yeah. And that says a lot about Joey's psychology and how little he understands about Ross's psychology.P. S. That reminds me of the time in Big Bang Theory that Raj misunderstood what Howard had said and thought that he had said, "You have to get right back on the whore."P. P. S. I got the incident from TBBT slightly wrong. Here is the dialogue.
Raj: I’m telling you, dude, the only way to feel better about Penny going out with other guys is for you to get back on the whores.Howard: Horse.Raj: What?Howard: The phrase is get back on the horse, not whores.Raj: That’s disgusting, dude.share
Was Ross saying that his first time with Carroll was the first time he did it or did he mean the time he got married with Carroll was the first time he got married.
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