MAybe I´m missing something, but could it be that Ross was the decent one of them?
He is the one talking sense into them when they are about to do *beep* (like keeping a cat because you are stupid enough to think it is your dead parent).
...but they hung him anyway.
Hanged, Ami. Your father was not a tapestry.
Kyumonryu wrote:
MAybe I´m missing something, but could it be that Ross was the decent one of them?You are not missing anything. You are seeing what is there and a whole bunch of people don't.Ross is a really nice guy, and he would make a great husband for any number of kindhearted women who love him.I would say, though, that he lost my sympathy when he stopped trying to get over Rachel. He preferred to be able to see Rachel than to build a life with Emily.He just never got angry enough at Rachel to get over her. What would normally be a considerable virtue in a relationship becomes a liability when he is dealing with Rachel. share
He is the one talking sense into them when they are about to do *beep* (like keeping a cat because you are stupid enough to think it is your dead parent).
Ross showed his true colours in the episode where Rachel's dad was in hospital.
To treat Rachel with such respect as to turn her down explaining her vulnerability and not wanting to take advantage and have sex with her I think proves his deep down sense of decency.
Yeh he jumped into bed with another woman hours after his Rachel fight, but i think that proves he is human and also messes up. but realises his mistakes also.
I do agree he could have done moee to help the emily situation as This was his mistake as well (helped along by Rachel though for turning up), but I genuinely think that was a situation where it would have been hard to please everybody. It's unreasonable to expect Rachel to be cut out of his life COMPLETELY, they were a group of mates with years of history behind them.
However, his priority in my opinion should have been Emily.
He would have made a perfect father and husband though.
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Really? Let's talk about how he lied to Rachel about still being married among other things...As far as "respecting" Rachel when her father was sick, he simply wasn't interested. It's like when he thought Rachel wanted him back when in fact she wanted to tell him she was pregnant: He rejected her except for one last romp almost as a "favor".Ross showed his true colors alright, and they're not pretty.
shareYou can't even give him credit when he deserves it. Rachel wanted to sleep with him because she was emotional and not in the right mindset. He didn't take advantage of that. But you don't even give him that. You have to downplay it. And if he had slept with her, you'd crucify him.
shareTaking advantage of her? Not there. She wanted comfort sex and was well aware of what she wanted.Had he slept with her then,I would blame Rachel if she claims he took advantage of her....Unlike when she broke up with Paolo.He tried to take advantage of her when he made his move on her the very same night she broke up with Paolo. He did exactly what he and the guys claimed and accused Mark of doing: Claim to be her friend to get slowly into her bed.Mark didn't, Ross did.
shareYes, it would be taking advantage of her. He knew she only wanted sex because she was emotional and upset and she would regret it the next day. So he didn't do it. But that means nothing to you.
shareOk none of what you said made sense for a start.
Secondly how can you NOT agree that he didn't want to take advantage
??!! It's there plain as day!!!
Thirdly, as you believe cousins having relations is incest and you were proved wrong many, many times and STILL claim it to be, you tend o make your own rules up about absolutely everything anyway, and therefore hold an invalid argument.
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Stop lying.I brought prove that it was incest.Just because you claim that I Was proven wrong doesn't mean that I was.
Rachel wasn't looking for a relationship, she just wanted comfort sex so no she wouldn't have regretted. It could have been any other guy,it would have been the same,just comfort sex.Ross wasn't interested.
Ok, the stop lying thing to EVERYBODY who pulls you up when you're wrong is getting old.
I don't buy that your evidence was proof either since the definition you provided can't be found anywhere (except probably in your mind)
and failing that, you were asked for proof many, many times and you could not provide any.
And yeah i claim you were wrong. No you're righ in the sense that just cause i claim you were proved wrong doesnt mean you were.
However there wasn't one user that agreed with you. So who was wrong then??
You, I'm afraid.
And your argument about Ross doesn't make sense. He was a decent guy who made mistakes. I.e a HUMAN being. But still decent, whether you like it or not.
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I don't buy that your evidence was proof either since the definition you provided can't be found anywhere (except probably in your mind)
Imaneassi...I don't mean to be rude but do you even like this show? You seem to hate the Ross character so much, it's kind of hard to understand why you're even a fan of Friends. Sorry, I know we're all entitled to our opinions here but your disdain towards a fictional character on a comedy show seems odd. Why do you watch if you dislike it so much?
shareShe loves Rachel (Jen Aniston) and watches or talks about anything regarding her, and her characters.
Seems like a case of Limerence. With Aniston as her LO Limmered Object.
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If you're gonna pretend to cut her hair, at least put some scissors in your hand!
Only in your sick twisted little head
shareRoss is not FRIENDS.He's the one character that ruins part of the show for me.As romantic lead he fails big time for me. I don't find obsessive,possessive,controlling,manipulative, hypocritical, abusive,freaky behavior funny or romantic.And obsession and challenge aren't true love. And that's what Ross's behavior and feelings towards Rachel are.Nothing about true love,or normal healthy relationship.Ross is unrootable for me.Rachel has many flaws, made many mistakes but is normal, unlike Ross
shareYes, I get why you feel the way you do about Ross....but it's just a comedy show. It wouldn't have been funny without the characters being dysfunctional or obnoxious or flawed. I just don't see how you can be a fan of this show if you hate a main character so much that you speak about him as if he were real.
And as much as I try not to get sucked into discussing these fictional characters as though they were real people, I have to say that Ross was not nearly as bad as you say. I have known (first-hand) actual abusive men...and they are nothing like Ross. He did not scream or break things or hit or shove or intimidate any woman on the show. He was a bit obsessive and definitely insecure and jealous, but he never crossed the line over into abuse. I have seen REAL abuse and it looks much worse. Sorry, again I'm not trying to be rude but your constant comments about Ross being abusive are kind of insensitive to women who have experienced actual abuse.
There are different level of abuse and he was definitly emotionally abusive with Rachel.
shareOh yeah, and Rachel treated Ross like a real Prince!! 😐 i dont think so.
All of what you described-obsessive, possessive, controlling etc... applies to Rachel. Making you slightly hypocritical.
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Yeah... I've experienced emotional abuse too....REAL emotional abuse. Ross was not abusive.
shareAgreed. I don't love Ross either but he isn't as bad as she's making him out to be. He has flaws but so does every other character on the show *ahem* Rachel. If he didn't, then the show would be boring. Like you said, that's the whole point.
shareflowerchild-15037 wrote:
I don't love Ross eitherI don't love Ross, but he is a really nice guy. I would be delighted if my sister or my daughter married him.Some time ago Alexa made the point that all Ross wants is a wife and a family, and it shouldn't have been as hard as it turned out to be. *Ahem* Rachel. share
Well here's the thing; she'd been waiting for Joshua to ask her out since she started/was demoted to her current job. He finally did, and she was worried he'd never ask----yeah that's a factor.
Besides, how often are you able to say "No" to your boss?
I don't think you even bothered to watch that epiosde because Joshua stood her up! He stood her up, she ended up in the rain---while Ross introduced to Emily got a nice cozy weekend away in Vermont! Rachel got drenched, and ended up with no date at all!
Tell me something madame, since when is getting yelled at in your own home, stood up by your date, and being stuck in the rain, not a reason to get upset?
If that was me, I'd be upset too, I'd be pissed.
Hey, was it not selfish of Joshua to have stood up Rachel, without calling her to tell her he couldn't make it/wouldn't go?
Showing up last minute at Ross' wedding, a wedding that she introduced him to his fiancee. Selfish? Yes. Originally, she was going to talk him into marrying her instead, but she never went through with it. SHE LET HIM GO.
I Guess You Missed The Rest Of That Episode!
One more thing, behind the privacy of your own keyboard you can have any username you want---male,female, or unisex.....
silverponygirl wrote:
I have known (first-hand) actual abusive men...and they are nothing like Ross.That is the point.It really pisses me off when Ross is compared to people who really are controlling and abusive because he is nothing like that.It seems as if people are not taking real abuse seriously when they describe Ross that way. share
"Sustent"?
shareI thought Ross was a decent balance of good and bad qualities, much like any real person I've ever met. He effed up a lot but he was also awesome in many ways. Giving Phoebe that bicycle, reminding his dad that Monica already felt like she was second best, trying to sell cookies for the little brown bird girl, helping Rachel when she had the fractured arm or whatever instead of being filmed for that Discovery Channel documentary, etc. He seemed like just a normal human with issues. I could easily be Ross's friend.
shareRoss was a nice nerdy guy who made mistakes, like we all do.
Rachel was just a nasty selfish self obsessed and self righteous cow.
Look at the way she was with Emily right at the beginning!!! What right did she have to get SO angry about Ross ending up in Vermont with Emily, when SHE sent him to be with her in the first place so that SHE could drool all over Joshua!!! Once again,begrudging anyone else a good time because SHE herself was not having one (due to missing Joshua the previous evening.)
Can't be happy for her best friend getting engaged. Instead feels jealous. Then does something to make HERSELF feel better.
Realises last minute she loves ross. Doesnt do the right thing which is bury her feelings and accept its too late. Instead has a brilliant idea to gatecrash the wedding regardless of the consequences and those it would have essentially affected. Me me me.
The list of scenarios goes on,you could pick out an example of Rachel's awful personality in each episode.
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So this dumb ass poster writes:
Ross was a nice nerdy guy who made mistakes, like we all do.
Rachel was just a nasty selfish self obsessed and self righteous cow.
Look at the way she was with Emily right at the beginning!!! What right did she have to get SO angry about Ross ending up in Vermont with Emily, when SHE sent him to be with her in the first place so that SHE could drool all over Joshua!!! Once again,begrudging anyone else a good time because SHE herself was not having one (due to missing Joshua the previous evening.)
Can't be happy for her best friend getting engaged. Instead feels jealous. Then does something to make HERSELF feel better.
Realises last minute she loves ross. Doesnt do the right thing which is bury her feelings and accept its too late. Instead has a brilliant idea to gatecrash the wedding regardless of the consequences and those it would have essentially affected. Me me me.
So this dumb ass poster writes:
Ross was a nice nerdy guy who made mistakes, like we all do.
Rachel was just a nasty selfish self obsessed and self righteous cow.
Look at the way she was with Emily right at the beginning!!! What right did she have to get SO angry about Ross ending up in Vermont with Emily, when SHE sent him to be with her in the first place so that SHE could drool all over Joshua!!! Once again,begrudging anyone else a good time because SHE herself was not having one (due to missing Joshua the previous evening.)
Can't be happy for her best friend getting engaged. Instead feels jealous. Then does something to make HERSELF feel better.
Realises last minute she loves ross. Doesnt do the right thing which is bury her feelings and accept its too late. Instead has a brilliant idea to gatecrash the wedding regardless of the consequences and those it would have essentially affected. Me me me.
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Do you actually pay attention to episodes?
Joshua did not stand Rachel up. There was a mix up on the guest list where her name had been written down wrong as Rachel Greep, so some other woman claiming to be Rachel Greep got inside instead, hence Rachel Green did not. Joshua was in the club.
So if anything, it would have seemed like Rachel stood Joshua up.........
Who's to say Joshua didn't stand her up anyways though? Since he is the one who signed the name Rachel Greep --that assures Rachel wouldn't get in, and he is bland, boring, dull, dry--he's also afraid of farm birds!
Come on, admit it. Somebody like that has no business in a nightclub. If farm birds are enough to make him piss his pants, don't you think lasers, dancing, loud music and elbows bumping him every which way would make him piss his pants and run crying home as well?
And another thing: If he was at the club, why didn't he just come to the front and clear up the mix up with Rachel Greep and Rachel Green? Since of course, signing Rachel Greep was all his fault to begin with! He didn't and he could have---if he was there. Signs look like the Rachel Greep mix up happened, but Joshua still stood her up, also note, when we see them together again, there's no mention about their missed date. There's no apology on his part, and no "Where were you?" on hers.
You are just making stuff up now.
We don't know who is to blame for the Rachel Greep error. It could have been Joshua but it could also have been the fault of someone else who was writing it down. We will never know, so it's just idle speculation on your part.
I don't see how having an aversion to farm birds correlates to someone not being able to enjoy a nightclub. Again, unfounded speculation on your part.
Just because there is no onscreen mention of the date, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Your biggest problem is that you seem to think unless we see every minor detail shown onscreen, nothing else could have happened offscreen.
silverponygirl wrote:
He seemed like just a normal human with issues.Ross has a lot fewer issues when he's not around Rachel. Unrequited love – extended over seven years – does tend to give most people issues. His major issue was that he did not get mad enough at Rachel to get over her.
I could easily be Ross's friend.He would make a great husband for any number of kindhearted women who want a very faithful, intelligent husband. share
Ross was a very decent guy. He was absolutely correct in that cat episode. The others, especially, Rachel, were being jerks for not supporting him.
shareSo how did the poster fail to realize that the only reason Ross got with Emily in the first place is all due to Rachel anyway?
shareI am the dumbass but you have failed to notice
A. Your above comment I already said myself. So you're agreeing with me but writing enormous pointless essays disagreeing with me??!!! 😐
B. You have wayyyy to much time on your hands for that kind of response. And are clearly taking the programme (and the thread!!!)way too seriously. And obviously scrutinizing every episode and the actions of the characters. Mmmm. Most of us just take it as a tv a programme and NOT REAL LIFE.
C. Implying somewhere in that borefest reply I'm a guy when my name is M R S SUTHERLAND....??!!
D. Youre seeing things in my post that aren't there. When did say Ross is a victim at the wedding??!!! Uh, never!!! But it WAS selfish of Rachel to just show up at his wedding with the intention of declaring love.
Ok so Rachel was invited to two things on one day. SELFISH Rachel said yes to her boss, and then subsequently forgot ALL about that when Joshua asked her out that night. Cause its alllllll about ME when it comes to her. Not her fault she had two invitations. The consequences however, WERE her fault yes.
Leading on to whoever said why shouldn't she move on with Joshua?? I never said she shouldn't.
She did NOT have a right to kick off when Ross and Emily got on though. I would imagine had Joshua not stood her up or whatever, that Ross and Emily would have been far from her mind.
Also in response to imeaneassi ridiculous "EXAMPLE" that's not an example of me twisting facts. So she gave him a hug and conrgratulated him. She still had an intention to destroy the wedding, and subsequently messed up his head being there which is what lead to him saying her name. Duh!!! Try again, do better.
Back to Kodak, I could answer the rest of your essay and call you out on how most of it is c.rap. but unfortunately for you I don't have time as I have a life.
Dumbass.
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No snotty reply for me Kodak?? Wonder why...
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First of all, it's snooty not snotty!
Second of all:
All right Mrs. Sutherland----you asked for it!
What would you have done if your husband Mr. Sutherland said the name of his ex wife or ex girlfriend at the altar during wedding vows instead of your name?
And besides, all of the examples you stated supposedly for St. Ross were actually Ross behaving at his worst! Through no fault of anyone except his own!
Joshua and Rachel's boss ask her out on the same night; so she has to make a substitution so she can date Joshua and then she gets stood up anyway? AWKWARD, so yes she is going to need someone to fill in for one of those dates! Emily met Rachel for the first time, yelled at her, stormed off back in the rain, and Rachel ran out after her while Ross just sat inside eating crackers.
You were too stupid to realize that!
What in the hell was Ross doing marrying a girl he had only been dating for a matter of weeks anyway? That wasn't an arranged marriage, and he sure didn't love her that much if he didn't think he did wrong by calling her 'Rachel'at the altar of all places---but he was also extremely racist and wrong in calling Emily's relative "Prissy English Twits" when he was the one who *beep* the whole wedding up on his own!
Now, what would you do if two men asked you out on the same night at the same time?
Kodak.....Brits are not a race. Lol How could Ross be racist toward them?
shareWell, it's a form of nationality for one thing, and another thing, was it really necessary for Ross to keep calling them "Prissy English Twits" every time he got hold of them on the phone---[he kept on emphasizing the English part] pretty much blaming them for his mistake at the altar? It is derogatory, degrading, and probably a form of racism---remember Phoebe on the phone imitating the housekeeper's accent, and the housekeeper set her straight on that, saying it was inappropriate and that shut Phoebe up?
What right did Ross have insulting Emily's relatives, especially if he so desperately wanted to find and be with Emily like he claimed?
Also, in the episode with the ball---remember in the beginning, Ross ordered a scone, put it on the table, proceeded to beat it into crumbs with his fist while shouting;
"STUPID BRITISH SNACK FOOD!" At the top of his lungs. If an English person walked in and saw that display---they would think see it as racism.
Well, it's a form of nationality for one thing, and another thing, was it really necessary for Ross to keep calling them "Prissy English Twits" every time he got hold of them on the phone---[he kept on emphasizing the English part] pretty much blaming them for his mistake at the altar? It is derogatory, degrading, and probably a form of racism---remember Phoebe on the phone imitating the housekeeper's accent, and the housekeeper set her straight on that, saying it was inappropriate and that shut Phoebe up?
What right did Ross have insulting Emily's relatives, especially if he so desperately wanted to find and be with Emily like he claimed?
Also, in the episode with the ball---remember in the beginning, Ross ordered a scone, put it on the table, proceeded to beat it into crumbs with his fist while shouting;
"STUPID BRITISH SNACK FOOD!" At the top of his lungs. If an English person walked in and saw that display---they would think see it as racism.
Ross was my least favourite from the start. Aside from being generally whiny and cup-half-empty, in an early episode where Phoebe confided that Paolo had hit on her but she didn't want to jeopardise her relationship with Rachel over it, he shrugged that possibility off as collateral damage because he wanted Paolo out of the picture so much.
Since that scene, always viewed him as selfish and petty.
Angelus-16 wrote:
Aside from being generally whiny and cup-half-empty,The state of his love life has something to do with that, but Ross is also as nice a person and as faithful and reliable a man as you'll ever run across.
in an early episode where Phoebe confided that Paolo had hit on her but she didn't want to jeopardise her relationship with Rachel over it, he shrugged that possibility off as collateral damage because he wanted Paolo out of the picture so much.I agree that Ross had an ulterior motive, but are you saying that a woman should not tell another woman when the other woman's boyfriend made a pass at them? I think that can be a difficult decision – particularly if it is the woman's husband – but it is certainly not as simple as you never tell the woman. What do you think Phoebe should've done?If you want Ross to be "perfect," he isn't. He is a normal man who is in love and giving good advice is not a horrible thing to do even if it is not with the purest of motives.It is not the same as Gunter telling Rachel about Chloe.
Chandler: So what are you gonna do?Ross: You have to tell her! You have to tell her! It's your moral obligation, as a friend, as a woman, I think it's a feminist issue! Guys? Guys? (waiting for guys to chime in)Chandler: Oh, yeah, you have to tell her.Joey: Feminist issue. That's where I went!Phoebe: She is gonna hate me.Ross:(sympathetic yet...) Yeah, well...share
It's not about Phoebe's actions, it's about Ross's inherent self-interest at the expense of her feelings and (possibly) friendship.
shareAngelus-16 wrote:
it's about Ross's inherent self-interest at the expense of her feelings and (possibly) friendship.So, you don't think that it was good advice? What advice would you have given Phoebe? share
I don't honestly care about the advice part, it revealed a selfishness that took precedence over someone else's dilemma.
And it's a fictional TV show. And it was 22 years ago. Just didn't like the dude.
He gave good advice for selfish reasons. Kind of sh-tty, but ultimately it was still right thing to tell her. It's not as though he gave Phoebe bad advice just to hurt Rachel and Paoulo's relationship. Even if he didn't like Rachel, what he told Phoebe would have been the same thing.
shareAnd yet, for Ross's defenders,when Mark stated what even a blind kid would have seen about Ross's behavior,it's bad because Mark liked Rachel blablabla....
As hyporitical as the one they defend,ROSS
Angelus-16 wrote:
it revealed a selfishness that took precedence over someone else's dilemma.If it was good advice, it was good advice even if his motivation was mixed.I think you are really straining to blame Ross for something. I think that Phoebe should've told Rachel, and I have no reason to believe that Ross would not have felt that way even if he didn't have another motivation.I also think that you greatly exaggerate the downside of Phoebe telling Rachel.It was certainly in Rachel's best interest that she know what Paolo is really like.
Just didn't like the dude.Are you sure that is an accurate assessment of what Ross is really like, or is it that he is just not someone that you would date. share
I'm out of ways to re-word that his disregard for Phoebe's dilemma was selfish so further debate is pointless. You like him, I don't. Period.
shareAngelus-16 wrote:
I'm out of ways to re-word that his disregard for Phoebe's dilemma was selfish so further debate is pointless.Ross pushed Phoebe to overcome her misgivings and do what she really needed to do. Regardless of his motivation, it was the right thing to do.
You like him, I don't. Period.I recognize the position that Ross is in in relation to Rachel. People in love frequently take advantage of whatever they can. That is not attractive, but it does not reflect their entire personality.Ross is a really nice and reliable guy. He would make a great husband for a kindhearted woman who wants an intelligent and faithful husband and is not looking for a macho husband. share
I always found it irrelevant that Ross had ulterior motives to get rid of Paolo. He made a pass at Phoebe. He made the move, Phoebe was a victim as well as Rachel. Ross saying that she had to tell Phoebe was hardly evil. Rachel should've known that Paolo was no different from Barry. I would give the same advice as Ross and any girlfriend of Rachel's would have too. It's not like Phoebe went out of her way to get Paolo.
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"But my job's fun too - I mean, tomorrow I don't have to wear a tie." - Chandler
There is a word called snotty and a word called snooty. I was going for the word "snotty." So no, its snotty not snooty.
Second I'm pretty sure as a British person I would not walk in and scream racism if I saw someone beating up a scone and shouting stupid British food 😐
You do realise England is a country and English is a nationality not a race??!! I thouht everyone knew this.
I have never said Ross was right in any of his actions I have always stated he is a good person who makes mistakes. Rachel is a not very nice person who doesn't see she makes mistakes because she believes her behaviour to be normal.
There is no saint Ross of course he messed up, I'm not someone who has disputed that.
Yes his fault he said the wrong name. What Rachel did contributed to that though, and it MIGHT not have happened had she not been selfish and decided that she just HAD to declare her love at his wedding. She should have put her own feelings to the side as it was too late.
If I were in Rachel's position regarding the two invitations thing i wouldn't have gone to meet Joshua as I had already agreed to do something for somebody else, and I recognise the world doesn't revolve around me. Rachel should have, once again, put her feelings to the side as she had already agreed to take Emily out.
And she certainly had no right whatsoever to be offended when Ross and Emily hit it off, as I have stated and will continue to.
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Except that Rachel didn't declare anything.She just congratulated him. Ross screwed up on his own,like always because of his obsession and feeling of entitlement about Rachel.And that's not Rachel's fault.
shareExcept that she had an INTENTION to, which is what makes her selfish. What exactly was She expecting?? To ruin someone's wedding. Course Ross was wrong but her turning up MIGHT have been the cause of him saying the wrong name. (He might have said it regardless but unfortunately we''ll never know)
I'm Pretty sure if Ross was obsessed with her he would have jumped at the chance to be with her when she finally did declare her love later at the coffee house. Instead he was more concerned with Emily.
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Intentions? We all have intentions.Intentions have no consequences.Actions do. Rachel did nothing. And showing up should have comforted him in the idea that she was over him enough to watch him marry someone else. He should have wondered if she still had feelings for him when she refused to go to the wedding.
Rachel showing up has nothing to do with him saying her name at the altar. Rachel was in a plane heading to greece when he screwed up again
Ross: (entering) Hey!
All: Hey!
Joey: Hey, Ross, Bodington's!
Ross: Yeah! (They high-five.)
Joey: That was good beer.
Ross: Ohh…
Joey: Y'know, I'd walk back to London for another frosty one of those bad boys.
Ross: Y'know, I think they have those at that British pub near the trade center.
Joey: Later! (Exits.)
Ross: Isn't Rachel supposed to be back by now?
Monica: Yeah, but her plane got delayed in Athens. But actually, (Checks watch) she should be here by now.
Ross: Oh, so-so you talked to her. Did she, did she sound mad?
Monica: No, but she likes me. You abandoned her on a plane to Greece.
Ross: Okay, I did not abandon Rachel! Okay? Emily showed up at the airport! I had to go after her! I mean, I-I did what I had to do! She's my wife! Rachel is my wife! Y'know—Emily! Emily, is my wife! Man, what is that?
Phoebe: So you still hadn't heard from Emily?
Ross: No, not since I lost her at the airport.
Chandler: I can't believe she can out run you man!
Ross: HEY, SHE'S FAST!! OKAY?!! (Chandler is so shocked at Ross's outburst that he drops his spoon and backs up) Oh! You-you think you can be beat me? Let's go! Outside!!
I think its YOU who's obsessed with Rachel. How on earth did Ross screw up again while Rachel was on the plane?? By trying to save his marriage like he should have done??!!
And you're ok with Rachel being on a plane to Greece on someone else's honeymoon are you?? Especially after she had just played a part in screwing up the wedding in the first place. She got exactly what she deserved in Greece being stood up.
And although I appreciate your logic about intentions not having consequences,(its all very minority report) by that logic though its like saying a murderer having murderous thoughts are ok. Just because they did not go through with it does that make it ok that those thoughts were there in the first place?? No.
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No. Learn to read. You claim that Rachel showing made him screw up at the altar which is bs.What's his excuse for inviting Rachel on his honeymoon trip or screwing up again when Rachel isn't even here saying"Rachel is my wife"?None but his obsession.Rachel played no part in Ross screwing up his own wedding over and over again.
Again intentions,thoughts have no consequences if not followed by actions.
oh please give me strength...Dont tell me learn to read when its clearly you that needs to.
I DID NOT say Rachel screwed up the wedding. I said she PLAYED A PART. She messed with his head which MIGHT have led to him saying Rachel's name. Not only did I say this but i said it about a hundred times.
Immy you make yourself look ridiculous when people have to repeat themselves with you because you see what you want to see, and not what people have actually written.
And you skirt around things you're asked. So I take it you ARE ok with Rachel going on their honeymoon then?? Your morals are f cked.
Of course Ross is an idiot for inviting her along. She didn't have to say yes though did she??!!!
I've also never stuck up for ross' bad decisions,ive only pointed out that he made mistakes.
And I'll take it as a yes that its ok for people to have bad intentions, just as long as they dont go through with it. I know where you're coming from (have you not seen minority report??) but it doesn't make it all right.
Let me ask you this- if your partner had intentions of an affair i.e thoughts of another woman/man, texts and the like, but never actually went through with
the cheating part, would you be ok with that??
I somehow doubt it.
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She messed with his head
How did Rachel mess with his head at the wedding? She didn't say anything to him (other than congratulating him). She just watched him from her seat.
And lets not forget that Ross wanted her there. He was pressuring her back in New York to come to his wedding and got all huffy when she didn't want to. So her being there was not against his will. He wanted her to be there.
if your partner had intentions of an affair i.e thoughts of another woman/man, texts and the like, but never actually went through with the cheating part, would you be ok with that??
I believe it is also. But by immys logic its not because there no actual action of cheating just messages.
She screwed with his head because he wasn't expecting to see him and She just turned up which probably confused him.
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Actually it is emotional cheating and has consequences
shareIf he couldn't handle her being there then that is not her fault.
"I will not be strong armed by threats against my laundry"
Of course it's not Rachel's fault. If just seeing her messes him up so much as his defenders claim, what the hell is he doing at the altar marrying someone else, cheating that someone about his feelings?
shareAha I never said it was her fault. I said it MAY have contributed.
Obviously Ross had issues before that, I've never disputed-time and time again ive repeated that Ross has faults and messes up.
Seeing Rachel might have confused what was already confused in ross' brain. And yeh I agree, perhaps he shouldntve been marrying Emily, but the point is he was. tough.
Rachel made her decision not to go and she should have stuck with it. Or gone with the others. (Although obviously i get why it was too painful) It was selfish to do what she did last minute for her OWN PERSONAL GAIN.
There are a lot more examples of Ross doing things for other people and putting himself out than Rachel, whose actions mostly are for her own gain.
And i love the way you've sideswiped the intention thing immy but ultimately you know that for someone to have an intent that is not good is obviously not as bad as the action-STILL shows lack of morality and isn't good.
And to those who seem to think I don't blame Ross for saying the wrong name, of course I do!!! It came out of his mouth, nobody elses!!! he is to blame, but rachel turning up out of the blue and etching herself onto his mind in that crucial moment probably didn't help.
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Quote me where I have specifically said ROSS IS RIGHT. You will find it difficult.
If you had read some of my previous posts you'll see me arguing the toss with ppluk because I have always said Ross was paranoid and over the top obsessive DURING him and Rachel's relationship and stood up for Rachel EVEN THOUGH I can't stand her and prefer him.
This to me is about right and wrong, not who I like more so they've gotta be right, like you and others. I absolutely agree he acted like a giant knob sending barbershop quartets and the like and actually believe Rachel was bloody patient with him!!! (Much more than I would have been for sure!!)
You believing its racist doesn't make it racist my friend. What you're saying is an opinion not a FACT, just like immy thinking cousins sleeping together is incest when factually its not. Gross, yes. Im in agreement its just...no. But not incest when THE LAW states its not, although immy thinks otherwise. (And has been proven wrong way too many times.)
id invite you not to put words in my mouth when you haven't a clue my opinion, if it was up to me love Ross would be running a mile from someone so selfish, I wouldn't have Rachel bowing down to him!!! (I'd also send her to a school where they teach people how to think of others)
no i dont think Ross had a right AT ALL to be offended about Emily getting married again, especially as she had been subjected to what she was subjected to. Just because he is a nice person doesn't mean he gets it right all the time, which is what i keep repeating for you and the few who are reading what they want to see instead of what's actually there in front of them.
There you go-I answered it. And it really wasn't difficult, I'm not the one struggling with this.
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I'd say Joey is the best person. I love Ross but Joey is selfless.
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