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Why so many cast changes?


Were the cast changes between series (and the Gustav change) because actors became unavailable or because the actors were fired?

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That is one thing that I always thought odd was the cast always changing. But, it was probably because the actor wasn't as good as the producers thought so they got rid of them for someone else. Or they were just digned up for 1 season and decided to move on to other things.

I am wondering tho why they switch Gustaff's when they just had everyone else replaced.

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I thought it was obvious. No one wanted to work with such a hothead and there was massive turnover in the kitchen.

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The producers used the supporting cast roles to give new talent a chance to get exposure. That's why most of these roles went to unknowns, and only lasted for one season.

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"Series" is the show as a WHOLE, hence the term "TV series" (from the first episode to the last or newest). Now, "season" on the other hand is each year's episodes (you could say each "round" of episodes). Get it? It's really quite straightforward.

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In the UK, "Series" IS actually used to mean 'one year's worth of shows'.

Also, you will find that virtually all comedies produced by the BBC (as well as many produced by other UK entities) have only 6 or 7 episodes per year.

This was traditional. The system permitted performers to make a quick "series" (what we Americans would call a "season") of a show in their break from employment at the Royal Shakespeare Theater or rep in the provinces or whatever 'serious' job they held.

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If you put "series means" into the Google Advanced phrase window and "season" into the "all these words" window, you'll find a lot of discussion of the terminology as used in the UK, versus usage in the USA.

As with this post (found using those search terms):

"As I understand it the US use of the term "season" has its roots in the early years of television when there was a clearly defined on and off season. Shows would run from the autumn (or fall since we're talking about the Americans) though to late spring (at the time 30+ episodes being the norm) and then take a break over the summer. With few if any shows telling a bigger story the only real way to break up one group of episodes from another was by the broadcast season they were aired in.

The British use of series is more appropriate for shows that aren't aired most of the year but have shorter runs with a clearly defined beginning and end.

Of course things are a bit more confusing now since some UK shows have adopted the American terminology (typically shows that borrow from American production styles such as Spooks and Doctor Who) and because the original meaning of the American term no longer stands. Many US shows (for instance 24 and Lost) now air at different times of the year, also some now have limited runs more akin to Bristish shows (like The Sopranos).

Personally I just use season for US shows and series for UK ones."
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It was traditional for years at the BBC for a "series" of a particular show to film 6 episodes one year and 7 the next. Basically this was because the BBC preferred to employ actors who were part of repertory companies, and who would have just a few weeks free each year to do 'telly'.

But all this is changing in this, our changing world. ^_^

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Is there any human language that hasn't changed when speakers move to another continent?

Will we find posts from you (dsp128), similar in character to the one you posted on 5 October 2009, decrying changes in Arcadian and Quebec French from French as spoken in France? Decrying changes in South and Central American Spanish from that Spanish spoken in Spain? Decrying changes in Brazilian Portuguese from that Portuguese spoken in Portugal? Decrying, for that matter, changes in Australian English from that English spoken in the UK?

One can't help suspecting that your prime motivation in making your post was an active hope that you'd be flamed.


(By the way, what's your source for the claim that "diaper" means "diamond-shape" in French?)

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It looks as though you have no answers. Seriously, 'education' is your source???

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But if you are genuinely attempting to make the case that changes in the usage of any language (by speakers who move to another continent) constitute "meglomania" [sic]*, you have a lot of work ahead of you. You certainly haven’t made much progress in that endeavor to date.

*from your 5 October 2009 11:36:54 post

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dsp128 wrote: "You're obviously blind if you didn't see my answers"


"Education" is not an answer to "what's your source for the claim that "diaper" means "diamond-shape" in French?" It's a dodge.

Is a dodge all that you have? Have you no actual answer?

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dsp128 wrote: "Education - yes I have an MSc. Is that good enough for you?"

If my question had been anything like 'do you have any higher education at all', then that would be a 'good enough' answer.

But that was NOT my question.

Since my actual question was "what's your source for the claim that "diaper" means "diamond-shape" in French?"----then, NO. It is NOT good enough.

Again: have you an answer to the actual question that was asked? If so, post it.

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dsp128 wrote: "No, I wasn't making a case for megalomania relating to language - it was an aside relating to the power the USA had that is now slipping away in the world economy."

Your actual post was: "Yanks just love to invent their own terminolgy when as English-speakers, words already exist (its meglomania really and it seems to pervade their continent).

For instance, why do Yanks use the word 'diaper'? It's a French word meaning diamond-shape. How did that get into the American language? Why not use the English word 'nappiy' (a diminutive form of the word napkin) that already exists in their tongue? Same goes for 'sidewalk', 'trunk' (car), and way too many to mention here...

Flame away."

That is your post in its entirety.

So this back-pedaling, attempt-to-change-the-reality-of-what-you-posted remark "no, I wasn't making a case for megalomania relating to language" is contradicted by, well, reality.

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This thread had veered, quite legitimately according to the IMDb message board rules, from a discussion of the cast changes over the course of the show "Chef" into a discussion of the terminology for that course (namely, "series" versus "season" as the designation for one year's worth of shows).

Then, out of the blue, we have someone making a wildly egregious connection between language changes and 'meglomania' [sic]---but only for ONE national group. Language changes observed in other national groups geographically distant from the country of that language origins are in some unexplained way NOT evidence of 'meglomania' [sic].

That post contains no reference to the show "Chef". Neither does it contain any reference to the tangent about "series" versus "season".

And not only do we have this wildly egregious characterization of one nation, we have the phrase "Flame away."

Yet---inexplicably---nothing about that post, which arguably DOES violate the rules of these message boards, activates your 'policing the IMDb' stance.



Why not?

And what in any of my posts (which have apparently offended you with their erudition) constitutes grounds for a call to 'take this to Private Message'?

Only insults and flaming are legitimately grounds for such a call.

Where, in any of my posts here, do you find such grounds?

Please list a) the personal insults, and b) the flames.


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What works for IMDb is NOT an attempt to bypass rules against posting profanity by using a 'vowels removed' tactic.

Yes, many people of limited maturity post on the Internet (as you have demonstrated). It's to be hoped that, with time and experience, some personal growth will occur.

In the meantime: A discussion of the terminology ("season" versus "series") is admittedly a tangent from discussion of the show "Chef" itself. But if IMDb is to be enjoyable for all, it would be ridiculous to say that such questions can't be asked or discussed.

The further tangent represented by the October 5 post that ends "Flame away" is less defensible. Personally I believe there's a good argument for removing that post, but on the other hand maybe it's not worth the time of IMDb staff. Your attempt to subvert the rules, however, probably IS worth their time. Your tactic sets a bad precedent.

But, that dealt with, back to the show:

I still enjoy watching the reruns (though the tapes the local public station play are so deteriorated that it's getting close to being unwatchable). But the show isn't as enjoyable as it could have been if the cast had been more stable.

Think of the top-rated British sit-coms--most had pretty stable casts. "Fawlty Towers", for instance, would have remained an amazingly well-written show even if there had been four different Spanish waiters in succession, and three different Pollys. But...I bet the show wouldn't have reached the level of popularity that it has.

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this was a lot of fun!

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The general use of "talent" that many use is wrong - I'm not blaming you at all; a lot of people - and it starts with poorly-written media articles - use specific terms as generic, or vice-versa.

After all:

Writers are talent.

So are cameramen.

And actors, of course.

When people equate "actors" as "talent", they're overlooking many elements that go into a show. It seems unfair to write out the people who are not the actors, since good actors are less reliant on a director, but any good director can make something good look better - or something bad more watchable... and, of course, without writers nothing is possible...

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well I thought it was fitting.

he was such a hard worker and so hard to work with and gain respect from, most left soon after getting the job.

this is explained in the first episode why he has never had to sack anyone.

they left long before he had the chance/found the need to sack them.


I really liked Lucinda. and most of the first season, to be honest. I liked gustav and debra. crispen is gorgeous!

couldn't stand savannah and René was fun but ill equipped in the kitchen.


OH THANK YOU GOD! THANK YOU SO BLOODY MUCH!!! Basil Fawlty

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its just like any kitchen there is always a high turnover of staff
the way head chefs treat their staff am surprised there is not murders that happen.
Head chefs think they are the high boss and nothing can change them from the power they have, they treat staff like dirt. i have worked in catering and seen my fair share of horrible chefs and have left a few as do not want to be treated by a power hungry monster.

a real kitchen is 10 times worse than what was on this show and language is 1000% worse in real life kitchens.

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