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How is this movie allowed in the U.S.?


I watched this movie years ago and was surprised that it was even allowed in the U.S.

After reading some of the post here, I understand that there is a book which seems to be different in that the man forced himself onto the boy. In the movie, it was "consensual". Fine, its a movie.

However, that still doesn't explain how this movie is available at the local video store and without any protest. Is there some sympathy for soldiers who've had this experience? I'm not getting it.

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Seakman4:

As you said, you've seen this film years ago. It was allowed
then and still allowed today, because, his life story is not
illegal. His were the vivid recollections of his early life and
as an author, depicts his boyhood experiences in a book.

What other people think is not important to him. The
book, like the film describes their meeting, their brief affair
and their eventual departure.

Many myopic observers who have read the book or seen the movie
describe it as a blantant case of child abuse. But the author
who experienced the affair, had a positive reaction to the movie.
If one seeks outrage or protests to the book or the film, you can find
them in many small-minded towns and people.
Anyone who takes the time to vent disgust for an incident which
took place Sixty years ago is a little late.

It is interesting that the same country can tolerate, gun deaths,
homelessness and starving of children, the sacrifice and murder of
its young soldiers, the ambivalance of the rich, who destroyed the
economic sector and allows continous violence on T.V and the movies,
can pontificate over the morals of other countries.



"If you make the world your enemy, you'll never run out of reasons to be miserable"

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Thank you for the explanation, and further insight to the book. However, I'm still having a problem understanding the movies presence in the U.S., in light of this depiction, be it the author's or anyone else. My point is, to my knowledge, there are no other movies in the U.S., that this expression is allowed and i'm sure this isn't the only person to have experienced something like this whether they look upon it fondly or not. You just don't see it. Or, at least, I don't.

So, I guess my point is this movie seems to be the exception to the rule. Movies like this just aren't permitted here. Never the less, here it is. The question remains. Why? Why this particular movie?

This, for me, is just one of those questions that linger way in the back of my mind and this forum allows me to ask the question. I'm not being judgmental in any way. Just not quite getting it.

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the movie is allowed despite the contversail subject matter the boy is never shown naked or anything like then so it does not violate and US child pron laws.

sam tyler:David Bowie. Why does it always come back to David Bowie?

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Seakman:

" . . . . to my knowledge, there are no other movies in the U.S., that this expression is allowed and i'm sure this isn't the only person to have experienced something like this . . . "

Let's add to your knowledge;

Back in the early days of film, before religious or political Censorship
was strictly imposed, there were half a dozen films which breached
'This Expression', usually by foreign films. Several of them gained
recognition, Awards and were highly praised by the viewing public.

Films like " The Guilded Angel " 1941

" Love and the Twisted Cross " 1946

" David and Ambrose " 1947

All of which are cited and not allowed into this country. None
of which were openly pornographic in the (XXXX) restricted sense.

But you are right, none of these films can be seen here in America
as all were banned and unless there are special foreign film showings
you will never see them above ground. Nevertheless, they can be
found in many Film Festivals in Germany, Sweden, Norway and France.

Today, there are many new films depicting "Rudi's boyhood Experience"
but unless you're lucky enough to view them in Europe or countries where
free expression is allowed, America will have to see them only in
retricted private 'clubs' and underground theaters.


later





"If you make the world your enemy, you'll never run out of reasons to be miserable"

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Thanks for adding to my knowledge. While I don't know of any "private clubs" or "underground theatres", I'm guessing I can probably find the films you mentioned on the net somewhere if I do some searching. Although, "David and Ambrose" sounds familiar for some reason.

Thanks again for your responses.

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No movies are actually literally banned in the U.S., actually (sans graphic pornography), outside of specific localities and states. All 'banning' outside of these is never anything more than a movie getting an undesirable rating (i.e. NC-17, or maybe a refusal to rate) and the distributor/studio choosing not to release it, since that makes profiting extremely difficult, or even finding any theaters willing to play it.

Virtually any movie can be released unrated, including NON-biographical child-adult sexual relationships. Have you never heard of L.I.E.? Or A Serbian Film?

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The three films you've named that are supposedly "cited and not allowed on the USA" - those films don't even exist.
I've been trying to figure out what exactly you would have to gain by making up film titles in an imdb post, so I've decided it's more likely that you're just misinformed. Someone at some point told you this and you've passed it on here.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that films with those titles have never been made.
So there you go. Something to add to your knowledge.

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Thank you for the explanation, and further insight to the book. However, I'm still having a problem understanding the movies presence in the U.S., in light of this depiction, be it the author's or anyone else. My point is, to my knowledge, there are no other movies in the U.S., that this expression is allowed and i'm sure this isn't the only person to have experienced something like this whether they look upon it fondly or not. You just don't see it. Or, at least, I don't.


The Boys of St. Vincent was released in the US years ago. It's more graphic than For a Lost Soldier. I don't understand why people have a problem with these films, the subject is upsetting, but they're not exactly child pornography.

You keep on reminding me of a darkness only I can see

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Sure glad you're Canadian.

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We get it. You're a pedophile. Anyone who disagrees with you is "from a small-minded town". Buggering children is ok with you...it's really it's not ok though. It causes irreparable harm to the child and serious dysfunction in adult life...often violent behavior and suicide. We had the various pedophiles in our "small minded town". The victims actually didn't "like it", and the child rapists eventually languished in prison (one of them was grotesquely mutilated by the other cons)...although they were arrested too late in the game.

The most recent story I recall is a "martial arts instructor" near my home. The instructor was a gay pedo who instructed adolescent boys. He "fell in love" with one of them. His "lover" didn't really like it, and pressed charges. The child rapist is now serving a 38 year prison term. Enjoy your "private clubs" and trips to Europe (and probably various third world countries). Eventually this will catch up to you. Every dog has their day.

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Unless I am mistaken, the movie is based on a book written by the Boy in question. So, this is not gratuitous fiction, this is the story of a real person's life.

And other movies have been made and allowed with similar themes.

"Song for a Raggy Boy" (2003)

"The Boys of St Vincent" (1992)

"Jet Boy" (2010)

"The Fire that Burns" (TV movie 1997)

"No Child of Mine" (TV Movie 1997)

"Loita" (1997)

"For My Brother" (2014)

"The Reader" (2008)

There are many more, these are just the ones I could quickly find on IMDB.

Also note that this take place in the time of war, and many things happen in war time things happen that are less than moral, but we still let their stories be told.

And yes, such a movie creates moral uncertainty. On one hand, what happened, at least today would not only be illegal but condemned, and at the same time, the boy remembers the events somewhat fondly. And the people around him seem to understand what happened, but don't seem too bothered by it. So, yes, it is a morally uncertain movie, but I think that it is intended to be. It does not seek to answer questions, merely to ask them.

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From Matushka1731
It's a controversial subject to be sure, but tastefully done. If you want to witness the same situation tastelessly done, how about "The Reader" with its graphic adult/child sex scenes? Not the slightest fuss over that and Kate Winslet won an Oscar for her performance. Nothing surprises me anymore!

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I didn't see "The Reader" but several have said it was a good movie. And nothing was mentioned of a "graphic adult/child sex scene". Perhaps because its a young boy and an older woman. Of course, that is more acceptable here. If it were the opposite it there would have been controversy.

For some reason, "Birth", with Nicole Kidman had some buzz about a scene with a young boy. Not sure what that was about but the same probably applies. Not sure.

An Oscar's? That's a whole different subject. lol.

Appreciate you response.

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the sex scenes in the Reader were the last filmed after the actor turned 18. It is a bigger problem to have underage parties filming than being portrayed hence the 18 year old could play a fifteen or 16 (IIRC)year old.

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They waited until David Kross was 18 so they could have world wide distribution. If this had been a strictly German film, I doubt that would have been necessary. And there is more overt sexual nudity (David Kross) in this film than in others. "The Reader" is of course rated "R".

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As an American, I am insulted by your premise that I *should* be unable to see any movie that people in other countries are allowed to see.

Such paternalistic attitudes are not what made us, once upon a time, a great and widely admired nation.


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