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The major flaw (besides Tarantino not directing it)


A lonesome comic store geek in Detroit meets the woman of his dreams and suddenly morphs into be a fearless bad dude.

His sudden transformation isn’t convincing, not to mention that what he does -- confronting & killing the pimp -- is unnecessary and perilous (i.e. stupid), which turns the protagonist into a bit of a creepy nutzoid. But that’s just me.

After finding the woman of his dreams, why risk everything when it's not necessary? Let me guess: "Elvis" encouraged him to do it.

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Read my post titled "great script ruined by shallow filmmaking" on this very board. I address this very criticism of yours directly there.

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Well said. It's good to know I'm not the only one who noticed this (glaring) flaw.

I don't have a problem with the two meeting and immediately falling in love since there's some truth to the "love at first sight" phenomenon (whether they can keep the flame burning amidst life's trials the rest of their lives is the real challenge). I just don't get why Clarence (Slater's character) would take such an extreme risk after finally finding his soul mate when it wasn't even necessary.

Moreover, the Elvis apparition isn't satisfactorily explained. Is the apparition really Elvis' ghost or is Clarence just a nutjob who hears voices? Either way, he rashly obeys the voices, which isn't a good indication of his mental state nor a positive omen for a successful marriage.

I agree that the ending conveys a morally confused message and Tony Scott shouldn't have changed Tarantino's script.

The flick's still entertaining, as you point out, but these faults take it down a couple of notches.

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I believe the inclusion of Elvis was merely a symbolic device. Tarantino was most likely trying to make a statement about movie-obsessed, pop culture geeks who have their perceptions of the world warped and distorted by their over-consumption of media and lack of time spent interacting with real people. If you recall Clarence's speech at the start, he talks about how he wishes he could be like Elvis, a good-looking cat who dies young while being heralded as the epitome of cool. That's exactly what Clarence wants to be, cool.

Like I said in my other post, there was no need for him to confront Drexl the way he did. He did so, because he wanted to be a badass. He thinks the world is just like how it is portrayed in the movies, where violence can solve any problem and have no further repercussions. When he confronts Drexl, the guy even points out how hard he's trying to come off looking like a badass, with him not even taking a second to look at the TV with the woman's breasts hanging out. Any normal man would have at least made a quick glance, but because Clarence is in make-believe Charles Bronson mode, he doesn't. The irony of that scene being, Drexl himself is also in pretend mode as he's a white guy trying really hard to look and sound black.

When he goes back to tell Alabama what he did for her, I don't think she was really crying because she thought it was romantic. She was probably crying because Drexl died, but after Clarence chastises her for it, she pretends as though she's crying because she was moved by the extremes he'd go for her.

The whole movie was probably originally intended as a commentary on people whose lives and perceptions of the world revolves solely around movies and pop culture. Clarence embodies that to the extreme, as he makes every bad decision he can out of a superficial desire to be a badass. Like I said, if Tony Scott kept the original ending, this motif would have come full-circle.

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That makes sense and I find myself having more respect for the movie (except for -- like you say -- Scott's changing the ending). I shoulda known with Tarantino at the keyboard.

What you say also makes sense of Clarence viewing three movies in a row at the theater. And, beforehand, asking that hot blonde to go with him and genuinely thinking she'd be interested.

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Why would she be crying because her pimp, who probably abused her, died?

And didn’t she promise that she would never lie to him again?

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"Why would she be crying because her pimp, who probably abused her, died?"

You do know that women often fall in love with men that physically and emotionally abuse them, right? In the case of Alabama, considering how quickly she declares love for a man she just met, it'd be safe to assume that she's the type of girl who gets easily manipulated by guys like Drexl. For all we know, she declared the same kind of feelings to him prior to getting sucked (no pun intended) into the world of prostitution.

"And didn’t she promise that she would never lie to him again?"

Yeah, pretty much. Tarantino was creating a romance in which passion and attraction overrides the more important values needed to maintain long-lasting relationships: honesty and commitment. Had if Alabama told Clarence how she really felt about what he did, perhaps he wouldn't have drove to LA to sell coke to Hollywood producers and get himself killed in the process (in the original script). There's so much depth, nuance, and poetry to the original story. It's just a shame that it's all lost amidst Tony Scott's superficial style.

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I don't think you really understood the movie. Everything you disliked was deliberate and necessary to the movie's vision. It's a wish-fulfillment fantasy aimed at real-life Clarences. Tarantino was a real-life Clarence, working in a video store and obsessing over 70s grindhouse action flicks. This is a movie about how those guys imagine their real selves would react if they were in a violent situation.

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I appreciate the comment. The poster [deleted] elucidated these things above. It gives me more respect for the movie, but there are still problems: The script was originally written in a nonlinear fashion, which Tarantino is known for, but Tony Scott changed the story to chronological, as well as altered the ending, which made for a morally confused message. Quentin's original version would've worked better, preferably directed by him.

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I agree it would have worked better with Tarantino's original story and his direction, but I don't agree with the deleted poster that it was a critique or sendup of the action film geek mindset. I think it was intended to be Tarantino's personal fantasy on film. I don't believe he portrayed Clarence in a negative or cynical way as far as he was concerned. Public opinions change, however, and what was a sincere attempt to portray a geek's fantasy life may indeed look like a dig at that sort of person to a later audience. This movie was aimed at young guys in the 90s who had grown up on a steady diet of 70s action flicks on TV and VHS and internalized the mindset of those films to a certain degree.

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It's an insightful commentary. I appreciate the film in several ways, it just falls considerably short of the greatness of "Pulp Fiction" or even "Jackie Brown." It's entertaining for the genre and I'll definitely rewatch it sometime, but the ending non-moral turned me off. Or maybe I mistook it? I'll pay closer attention next time.

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You gotta understand that the ending Tarantino originally penned was very different from the one in the final film. In the original script, Clarence gets shot and killed, and Alabama spends the rest of her life on the run as a criminal (which was previously referenced in Reservoir Dogs). That to me, pretty much gives off the vibe that Quentin was not on Clarence's side throughout his journey and that the story he told was meant more as a cautionary tale than anything.

As is, the film Tony Scott wound up making is just that, a pulpy crime romance. Sometimes however, directors can completely misinterpret the message and intent of a script. In the case of True Romance, I don't think Tony really understood what Quentin was trying to say beneath all that cool, snappy dialogue and those electrifying, quirky characters he created. Scott has always been a visual stylist above all else, and it shows when he's given the opportunity to adapt a script from a real subtext-driven writer like Tarantino. Scott just doesn't have what it takes to tell a story with any deeper meaning.

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It really wouldn't non chronological storytelling for no reason is stupid, only something like memento can really justify it

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How would you know unless you saw Tarantino's original script filmed?

There are several movies where a nonlinear narrative is used for good reason and can elicit a 'wow' reaction, like "Pulp Fiction." While not as good, "Before the Devil Knows You're Dead" is another example, as are "Watchmen" and "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind."

But I agree that using nonchronological storytelling just for the sake of it is questionable at best.

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And what exactly is this good reason for it in pulp fiction?

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If Tarantino had directed it would probably be 30 minutes longer.

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Yeah, at least.

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imagine how much better it would have been if Tarantino did

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