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Victory at El Alemein?!


What the hell is that German commander talking about near the beginning of the movie when he addresses the troops in the square? I thought the allies won El alamein, specifically the US air force and Australians (Brits were as usual drinking tea and whining at the back)?

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i don't remember the context of the quote, but you need to brush up on your history before you go bashing the british. there were two battles of el alamein, the first something of a stalemate, the second a huge allied victory - both were won by forces made up, for the most part, of british and australian troops and the second battle is considered to be one of bernard montgomery's greatest victories. there weren't any american forces at either.

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The author of a book about Stalingrad pointed out that although the British victory at El Alemein was important, the British and their allies only had to deal with 100,000 Germans and their allies. The Soviets, on the other hand, had to deal with 1 MILLION axis troops at Stalingrad.

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Turning defeats into victories seems to be part of the human condition.

There was nothing like a million troops at Stalingrad. Maybe you are thinking of Army Group South, of which Paulus' Sixth Army was a part.

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Actually, the number got pretty close to a million.

The Romanians fielded two understrength field armies (3rd and 4th Army) numbering up to 225 thousand or so , backed by also another 100 thousand Italians of the 8th Army, the Hungarian 2nd Army (roughly 200 thousand) and a Croatian regiment.

That's a figure of over 500 thousand. The two German field armies at the time of the battle, the 6th Army and 4th Panzer Army, totalled up to some 400 thousand troops.

That makes it a little over 900 thousand, all part of Army Group B. Not a million, but still darn close to it. But all things considered, Army Group South, prior to being split, seemed pretty large for an army group (partly due that it had more foreign armies amongst its ranks) - vastly outnumbering its Army Group North counterpart and only a few divisions smaller than Army Group Center (at least initially in the invasion campaign anyway).

Army Group South for all intents and purposes however, pretty much ceased to exist as soon as it was divided into Army Group A and B - and wasn't reformed again until the battle of Stalingrad ended, not to mention many of its original units were smashed apart during the battle anyway.


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My guess it was propaganda to keep the troops morale high. The Allies won both battles at El Alamein. I recall the colonel saying something about pushing the enemy back into Egypt. Well duh! They were defending Egypt and the vital Suez Canal.

I think this is why the battle weary storm trooper unit wasn't too thrilled at the medal ceremony. They knew it was all *beep*

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Not really. The first battle of El Alemein was more or less a stalemate with allies experiencing worse losses than the Axis. The second one however was a clear Allies victory.

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