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alot of gangster rappers use this film to diss Smith


That shows you the ignorance that runs rampant in Hip/Hop culture. Alot of gangsta rappers diss Smith for this film because of his gay role. I for one have mixed feelings about this. The reason I say this is I remember a time where billboards featuring African American actors that were holding guns were taken down. To me it seems every black action hero has to undergo a baptism of fire by accepting a gay/ or metro role. Lets look at the facts, Smith for one ; Six degrees, Ving Rhames played a gay man trying to keep a family straight, Wesley Snipes, To Wong Fu with Love, and (sigh) even the Rock, in (Be Cool.) I beleive it's the fear of black power that permeates through Hollywood. In order to take strength away from an iconic figure you supress him in controversial roles that the community he belongs to is against. I applaud Smith for his acting ability in this film, and in no way do I feel any negativity towards him. Smith is a great actor, hands down one of the best. Yet Im alerting you all to a trend Hollywood has turned to, and it's sad that I'm the only voice in this. Why not hire real gay African Actors to play gay roles? These actors have something deeper to contribute to their community(ies) they are aware of what life is like for a gay black man, and they don't have to submerse themselves into an alien world just to get motvation for their part. There are 2 distinct communities now, the African American community and The gay African American community. To each his own I say. Yet imagine a 9 year old straight kid living in Watts with no role models except what he sees on the movie screen. The strength actors like Will Smith, Rhames, and The Rock, have to give to this individual is incalcuable, yet, he isnt suppose to identify with them because they played gay roles. Ive heard stories where kids have been jumped at the end of school for admiring Will Smith. Now what does that tell you? Hollywood take note.

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Sorry, while I sympathize with your desire for solid cultural role models, I see zero proof of any supposed conspiracy by studios to "force" those actors to choose homosexual roles, much less for the sinister purpose of sabotaging the aspirations of urban adolescents. Similarly, Cuba Gooding has blamed others for the direction that his career went in this past decade, jealously proclaiming the success of Will Smith to have been an unfair slight against Cuba Gooding's own personal potential. FACT is, when your agent shows you the pile of scripts available to you as an actor, a complex equation works: A) how desperate are you for a paycheck, B) how much do you personally like the role/script/filmmaking team, C) who else is competing for the same role, and D) are the other actors more or less of a marketing draw to help the investors make a profit.

As an actor, if you don't like the pile of scripts being offered you, you can fire your agent and find someone else to represent you. Hollywood is an industry of relationships and deal-making. A lesser-known black actor named Kevin Grevioux, went so far in his dissatisfaction that he wrote his OWN screenplay "Underworld" (2003) insisting that he get to act in it. While I question some of the scripts The Rock has chosen these past few years, the fact is each time the studios have offered a lot of money, and he's eagerly cashed in, happy to bring his family financial security. "Be Cool" was a project that D.Johnson eagerly embraced. The Rock's hosting stints on SNL showcase his love for effeminately lampooning his masculine WWE persona, while broadening his metrosexual appeal. His manager was partnered with Neil Moritz (producer of XXX and Stealth) - UhOh! Now you're going to say that "Stealth" is part of your conspiracy to harm Jamie Foxx after his Oscar? Not likely.

Hollywood's top actors are individually responsible for the choices they make, even when the consequences of their roles mismatch what they intended. Our world is a very complicated place - most people struggle in life, and blaming others every time we misstep is an all-too-convenient excuse to avoid learning from our mistakes and trying better next time.

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What a whiney crock of garbage. I can give you a much longer list of white actors who have played gay while at any point of their careers. More importantly, it is not any form of degregation to play the roles. Check your own prejudice at the door before you shake your fist at society. I know many gay people who would gladly and easily kick your butt, if you are under some impression that gays are weak and fey. (No, this is not a threat.)

However, I will "diss" Will Smith for playing this role only because he was such a homophobe, he refused to provide the last scene of the movie, the kiss.

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Well put, Blatker. This original poster seems to have blatant disregard for the fact that he's marginalizing an entire group of people, identifying them as undesirable. And if he suggests that there's a preponderance of gay role models, he's way off base. Furthermore, an increased gay representation ought to be celebrated--not jeered.

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Im not marginalizing anything. Did you read what I just said? Billboards with black actors carrying guns were taken down. My intent for my post was in theory only, if you werent so pissed off and quick to point fingers youd see that and stop trying to cause *beep* Who is identifying who as undesirable? I posted with respect to both communities. I merely suggested that gay people should be more involved in gay roles, and I was expressing disgust that actors like Smith receive negative hype from the hip hop community. Do you want to see Harrison Ford playing the lead in a Ray Charles movie? I can't stand you *beep* people that skim through a lengthy post, and assume that Im marginalizing. *beep* you!

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I think Will makes up for the kiss thing in Hitch, where he is kissed by one of his male clients, Albert!

"Don't applaud that! Applaud my idiocy."~Conan

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Please cite examples of these gangster rappers using this film to diss Smith.



Off-topic: I found this to be Will Smith's best work. His acting has only gone downhill from here (and yes, I'm including Ali whose real star was Jamie Foxx).

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This movie is constantly shown on television it seems every single weekend all across North America. I think this movie was ONE of Will Smith's best performances.

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I love the part where it's suggested that only gay people should play gay roles. That's hilarious.

Frankly, the best actors should play the best roles. And in my opinion, that includes racial bluring. Laurence Olivier was white, but God knows he was a much better Othello than Laurence Fishbourne... Does that mean I think Blackface should make a comeback? No. But it does mean I think you need to learn that acting is about illusion and heightened reality, emotional transference and emobodiment... and has nothing to do with skin color, sexuality or gender except in the most ardent naturalism.

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chokobot620, I don't understand what point you're trying to make. On one hand you say hip hop is ignorant for dissing black actors for playing gay roles, and on the other you say it's Hollywood's fault for putting (ostensibly straight) black actors in gay roles. You seem to be saying you are above such ignorance, and yet you insist that actors should kowtow to it. Which one is it? Actors play roles outside themselves, that is what acting's about. If anything, I think these actors playing gay roles would encourage tolerance -- I mean, the ignorance is already there, how would NOT playing gay roles reduce the ignorance?

"Why not hire real gay African Actors to play gay roles?"

First off, when casting a movie, producers are looking for actors that will draw people into the theater. What (openly) gay African-American actor has any kind of drawing power in this country? None. A big reason Will Smith got the role was exactly because it was such a controversial decision casting a straight, comedic TV actor in a dramatic gay role, and it brought the movie a lot of press. And the fact is that many gay actors, at least ones with prominent careers playing straight roles, want to stay as far as possible from gay roles lest they be outed.

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Hire gay actors to play gay? Disabled actors for disabled roles? English actors for English roles? Irish for Irish? Ex cons for ex cons. I think you might be on to something.

I find it awful that Hollywood is making these actors sign on for movies their core community will object to. Bad Hollywood. Bad Hollywood.
It's a dirty job, but I pay clean money for it.

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Well put, Snatchy. Obviosuly Chokobot620 is a petulant child--incapable of articulating a meaningful point.

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While we're on it, I love that "gay" is less of a role model than "gangster" in the supposed "Black Community" in contention here. Frankly, and granted I'm a big old white guy, I'd rather my kids look up to people who are struggling with thier indentity in an intolerant society than say, I don't know, gun-toting drug pushers who abuse women and kill one another. But maybe that's just me.

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The Rock isn't Black he's Samoan/White.

Words can only hurt you if you try to read them. Don't play their game.

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I feel this thread's insiuation add Martin Lawrence, Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall, Tracey Morgan, The Wayans boyz(Damon, Keenan, Shawn and Marlon) & Chris Rock to the list. Not sure if Denzel ever did the cross-dressing thing.

Dave Chappelle kick'd game on Oprah when he said they(Hollywood) tried to get him to dress up like a woman throwing all sorts of money at him and he said no way Jose!

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the rock is samoan/black
his father is "Rocky Johnson", an African-Canadian

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