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Never again...and yet again


So yes, we have many messed up muslim countries and when worshipped the traditional way, it is quite messed up. But this hatred brewing around europe and especially here where I live (Denmark) is simply beginning to have an aftertaste of the late 1930s, where "we" (the malcontent ethnic white europeans just spew worse and worse hate and those moderate simply becomes enablers. This is in reality against anyone from the middle east, africa or south america.

There's already established a radical faction of an already very racist party and daily there are comments about exterminating muslims(though basically anyone not white/asian), making lists of both sympathizers and them alike, so when the "war" starts, they know who to go after and their families. Many now take great joy whenever something horrible happens like the school shooting or when refugee ships sinks. Er have a news paper that is entirely dedicated to spewing crap against anyone not an ethnic citizen.

So really, are we just marching on the way towards something horrible yet again? Keep in mind, the jews commited crimes too in the 1930's. Even though you can say that there are very radical dangerous muslims, they aren't representatives of the entire religion and anyone non-white/non-asian.

And personally I would say that anyone I meet that are muslim or non-white/non-asian are generally very polite and helpful people.

So, is *beep* going to hit the fan again?

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lord????

What planet are you currently living on?? Do you have a TV or cable. Do you understand what the *beep* is going on??? Everyday you turn on the news what happens. There is some massive ISlamic attack against either another Muslim or somebody else. There is a global war going on. Your European leaders refuse to accept it or deal with it
. Yet you idiots keep letting these people in your countries and you are shocked when they turn on you. This is a world wide problem. Jews in the 1930's were not blowing up other people or engaging in terrorist activity. They were hard workers and scholars and merchants.
You Europeans have become blinded to the truth as your far left wing socialistic values have blinded you.
These so called nice Muslims you let in: do not care about your culture, traditions, language or values. Now of course many are good people but there is enough bad ones to make you want to rethink your countries strategy.

I am a conservative and Republican American. I understand that we are in a global war right now. You must monitor any dangerous Muslims groups in your country and arrest and deport them if any evidence comes up.

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Global war, since when, the US is not the whole world you know?
Was it not a bank owned by the grandpa of Bush who financed Hitler to keep the communists at bay? Was it not Bush juniour who invaded Irak, leaving a huge mess?
So please, stop being so sanctemonious okay?

As for Lord, you are correct.
Greetings from a sober dutch girl

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More people are killed by children with guns in America than by terrorist attacks in Europe dude .

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You are exaggerating. It's not uncommon among war mongers when they are trying to rally people to spill blood.

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lord????

What planet are you currently living on?? Do you have a TV or cable. Do you understand what the *beep* is going on??? Everyday you turn on the news what happens. There is some massive ISlamic attack against either another Muslim or somebody else. There is a global war going on. Your European leaders refuse to accept it or deal with it
. Yet you idiots keep letting these people in your countries and you are shocked when they turn on you. This is a world wide problem. Jews in the 1930's were not blowing up other people or engaging in terrorist activity. They were hard workers and scholars and merchants.
You Europeans have become blinded to the truth as your far left wing socialistic values have blinded you.
These so called nice Muslims you let in: do not care about your culture, traditions, language or values. Now of course many are good people but there is enough bad ones to make you want to rethink your countries strategy.

I am a conservative and Republican American. I understand that we are in a global war right now. You must monitor any dangerous Muslims groups in your country and arrest and deport them if any evidence comes up.


Somehow, I'm pretty sure that the exact same thing must have been said by a Hitler fanboy to a "communist" in the 1930s.

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You better protect your icey, super cold land before it is gone. I am not saying you should engage in Holocaust, but maybe you should look at how the Israelis operate and make their nation safe. This means deporting and arresting and stopping Muslim immigration. I cannot imagine living in a nation that is not only a frozen, cold wasteland of rain and snow ,but one that is being taken over by hostile foreigners. The whites are the ones being killed now. I know there are good Muslims for sure but it seems the bad ones are winning.

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You obviously know nothing about Denmark, so don't worry about us.

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Lol yeah how are things working out for them in Israel at the moment lol

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I'd just like to take a moment and thank the writer of this. I'm conservative, Christian, and American, and it pains me to see the hate of Muslims some people spew out, despite the fact that many of the people saying these things are from those same groups. A good friend of mine is Muslim. She loves America, and has no ill will towards western culture. I believe this is the viewpoint of many Muslims. The actions of a few radicals does not in any way dictate the beliefs of everyone. To anybody who's going to rant how I'm a leftist who hates soldiers, cops, and all that other crap I know you're going to say, don't waste your timex because I'm not. I loved American sniper, I support our police, and I'm a proud American in general. That doesn't mean I have to hate 1 billion people.

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Pdx, you're HILARIOUS in your desperate attempts to mold people's opinions into hatred for Muslims.

I don't get why you're so upset anyway. Terrorism usually backfires into itself:

-- Bin Laden supposedly wanted US bases OUT of the middle east. The opposite happened.

-- Al Qaeda supposedly killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. The US killed HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Afghans and did the same to Iraq just for suspected ties to Al Qaeda (or so the story goes).

-- Hamas shoots rockets into Israel without hitting much or killing many. Israel kills nearly 2000 Gazans every couple of years.

-- ISIS is (very intentionally, it seems) pissing off every nation it can. You think anyone will recognize their caliphate or do business with them or allow them to reign for much longer.

Shouldn't you be happy?

I know you DESPERATELY want Americans to hate Muslims, and in your own small-minded, small fingered Internet warrior way, want to incite a war between Christians and Muslims, but...

...you sound like an idiot. Stop pulling numbers out of your ass. You're not a researcher, a statistician, a philosopher, an opinion maker, an activist, a leader, nothing. Just a hatemonger and an alarmist.

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Roma, you are living in the Land of Oz, as you continue to delude yourself into thinking this is only a tiny segment of the population. The reality is that radical Islam is spreading all around the globe at alarming rates. We are talking about hundreds of millions of bad guys.

Do I hate Muslims, you ask? I have had much experience with American Muslims and I can tell you that vast majority of them are very hard-working family people. They have high numbers in many fields: Engineering, Computers and Medicine. However, the ones across the globe are a different breed. Still I said a good 80 percent are probably good people. However, 20 percent out of 1.5 billion is no small change. Everyday you hear the news it only reinforces how dangerous they are.
US killed around 50,000-100,000 terrorist in both IRaq and Afgan. That is a lot of bad guys dead and under-ground.
Israel has every right to defend itself and has shown tremendous restraint. Without the Israeli anti-missile system- you can bet that several hundreds innocent Jews would of died. Israel was very cautious in only targeting the terrorist ( but with Hamas firing from civilian areas, this is impossible).

Stop being a stupid apologist and wake up. I assume you may be Muslim. I assume you are a good guy. But the Muslim world is living in the Dark Ages. They treat women like dogs and they kill gays and non-believers everyday. These people would not think twice about using a Nuclear Weapon in NYC, if they had one. Where do you live??

You need to wake up to the dangers.

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USA needs to continue targeting and exterminating any terrorist training centers along with any high level leaders. This can be done with drones and the Air-force.

While I am mixed on what to do with ISIS. It is obvious the cowardly Europeans and so called "friendly" Muslims wont lift a finger. WE could send in 100,000 Marines ,and few thousand special forces and mop them up in a few weeks. However, the "other-side" with Assad and Iran is not a whole lot better. So maybe the USA should stay out for now.
Still the Muslim world needs to greatly clean up their act and get their own people under control.

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The only thing US needs to do is to stop supporting and training these terrorist groups and their biggest funder, Saudi Arabia. No need to endanger American lives and resources.
Regarding ISIS, the only country which gives a s#it about it is Iran, the same country you deemed not a whole better.

The thing is, people everywhere can take care of themselves. They did it for ages and can do it now; the problem is "interests" of some parties and groups who need to create chaos and fear in people for their own advantages.

Still the Muslim world needs to greatly clean up their act and get their own people under control.

I agree. The best way to achieve it? Leave them be! If you go back to around 40 years ago, there was not a single extremist group in these countries capable of doing such horrors until the US and her ally, Saudi Arabia built them.

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I love America, european rejects steal the land of the native people and call themselves 'SETTLERS' lol. Commit a REAL holocaust - Home of the brave (Hiroshima) land of the free (Slavery) - a joke, troublemaking country one of your greatest hero's was a film actor as was a former president. False-flag into wars - Gulf of Tonkin = Vietnam, WMD's = Iraq and so on. America has some of the dumbest people on the planet, then who put them in charge - its dangerous.

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US killed around 50,000-100,000 terrorist in both IRaq and Afgan. That is a lot of bad guys dead and under-ground.


And civilians...but i'm sure you can come up with a percentage or some other number to justify and rationalize that...

Without the Israeli anti-missile system- you can bet that several hundreds innocent Jews would of died.


Not really. Even before the famed Iron Dome, those rockets weren't doing much. The real terrorists have suicide belts, machine guns, bombs packed with nails. That firecracker side show is something else, like a perfect pretext.

Stop being a stupid apologist and wake up. I assume you may be Muslim. I assume you are a good guy.


Yes, you make quite a bit of assumptions. And no, i'm not Muslim. Just an American who thinks restraint is a good thing, especially when people seem to be pushing for war, war, war using fear and emotions.

But the Muslim world is living in the Dark Ages.


You think maybe it's the Western world with a vested interest in keeping the Muslim world in the dark ages? After all, they're sitting atop resources WE need. Keeping them balkanized, extremist, fundamentalist, tribal, and ignorant helps us (in a sick way). The last thing we want are secular and organized Muslim countries. Funny how we intervene in conflicts where there's oil and proposed pipelines. I get it. We need what they have. But I don't need to buy into the bullshyt that they're peddling.

These people would not think twice about using a Nuclear Weapon in NYC, if they had one. Where do you live??


G-d bless you, Pdx! You should work for Hollywood.

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However, the ones across the globe are a different breed.


Seriously ... I know ... you might find there Graboids instead of humans.

Luckily enough it happens that one of these "breed" owns a "laptop", knows "English" and like "Hollywood movies" ... and he is sorry that he didn't met your

"stereotypical" image of Arab Muslim people ... your Majesty!

Nobody needs to tell you that your attitude and judgement on Muslims is merely based on your News agencies who want to convey whatever they want and find enough dump

people how can buy it, yet I am here sitting around half of the globe ... in the Middle East ... SYRIA to be specific (yes we have internet instead of pigeons, cars

instead of camels and apartments instead of tents!)

Just I am wondering ... who is a good Muslim to you ... one that opposes terrorism and what ISIS and Qaeda does in the name of Islam .... or one who totally agrees

whatever the American policy and its allies do ... submit the existence of Israel as a state in the Palestinian lands and being flunky towards the strongest agenda in

the globe!

What about a Muslim who is in the Middle?

you mentioned earlier that Muslims kills each other ... that is how you concluded the fact that they are evil ... well ... what about American Civil War and World War

I and II ... neither of these wars were Muslims one of its parties ... they were all Christians! yet I didn't conclude that Christians are evil!! even when the

crusaders in the 11th and 12th centuries killed thousand of Muslims ... I don't call Christians in general as evil ... cause that will be unfair!

I feel sorry for you ... pale ... and I am wondering too ... what do you think if I told you that I believe all the Americans are stupid, lazy, like violence, spend

their time drinking soda & have sex whenever and with whomever they meet ... cause that is the stereotypical image of American around the globe .. correct me if I am

worng

Muslims being immigrating to Europe is because they are fleeing the battles caused by a much greater agenda of their little dreams .. they just want to live in peace ... they don't have much greater planes as what you think, poor man ... if only you can judge things as you see not hear...then there is no need for this post!

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100s of millions? liar- There are few million out of a billion...

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You are lying, "supposedly" you say, get the F out of here with that fake truther crap. Got to hell but im sure your an anti-theist. I bet you also call your self a progressive. I call you a pig.

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Lol. Should i bother? Ok, what the hell, i'll bother...

I used "supposedly" so as to acknowledge the official narrative of the last ten plus years. Even though i doubt a lot of it (yes, that "truther crap"), i still acknowledged official stories for the sake of argument with Pdx.

Are you going to ask me where i'm from now? And no, i'm not an anti-theist. Or progressive. Or pig. Thank you for playing...kiddo...

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-- Bin Laden supposedly wanted US bases OUT of the middle east. The opposite happened.

-- Al Qaeda supposedly killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. The US killed HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Afghans and did the same to Iraq just for suspected ties to Al Qaeda (or so the story goes).

-- Hamas shoots rockets into Israel without hitting much or killing many. Israel kills nearly 2000 Gazans every couple of years.

-- ISIS is (very intentionally, it seems) pissing off every nation it can. You think anyone will recognize their caliphate or do business with them or allow them to reign for much longer.

Shouldn't you be happy?

I know you DESPERATELY want Americans to hate Muslims, and in your own small-minded, small fingered Internet warrior way, want to incite a war between Christians and Muslims, but...

...you sound like an idiot. Stop pulling numbers out of your ass. You're not a researcher, a statistician, a philosopher, an opinion maker, an activist, a leader, nothing. Just a hatemonger and an alarmist.






Absolutely SPOT ON!




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A Holocaust denier and a Truther? What a nutter.

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The sounds made by Muslim's who "loves America, and has no ill will towards western culture" is a lot like the sound created when a mouse farts into a cottonball.

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How poetic...

And what if that "sound" never makes it to the mainstream media? Is that "sound" now null and void because it's not on TV?

A few days ago, after the burning of the Jordanian pilot, Muslim clerics around the world condemned the killing "in unison." They had to do it "in unison" to attract the attention of the media.

How about this from a few years ago? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran-pasha/the-big-lie-about-muslim_b_ 188991.html

I used to feel the same way, too, though. "Why don't Muslims condemn terrorism?" Until I started reading about the origins of those terrorist groups...

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Pdx=IMDb Minister of Anti-Muslim Propaganda. Our very own Goebbels.

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A few days ago, after the burning of the Jordanian pilot, Muslim clerics around the world condemned the killing "in unison." They had to do it "in unison" to attract the attention of the media.


All I can say is, it's about damn time. If there own people aren't willing to deal with the terrorists that are despoiling the name of their religion, then no one else is going to and the festering hatred of Islam and Middle Eastern people is only going to grow.




I only have one person on ignore, but I've had to ignore him 625 different times.

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Not that i completely disagree...but...once again I think you might've missed the point of the post. :)

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@bayesandrew A good friend of mine is Muslim. She loves America, and has no ill will towards western culture.
Female Muslims don't seem to be the problem. It's the male Muslims who are doing the hate-preaching, the beheadings, the massacres, etc.

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smoko, it seems to be about 20 percent of the male Muslim population. That is still a good 100-200 million or so bad apples. I mean really bad apples.
Most American Muslims are nothing like their European or Middle Eastern counterparts. They tend to be law abiding and hard working and very educated.

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Most American Muslims are nothing like their European or Middle Eastern counterparts.


How the hell would you know? TV? Bad reporting?

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I grew up in a sizable Muslim community along with a big Jewish community as a boy. So they are much more like than you think. The American Arabs seemed to be more stable and into education and bettering themselves.

I have seen enough of the violence caused by radical Muslims in both Mid-East and Europe to draw a picture.

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Exactly, you draw your own conclusions based on reports.  Don't pretend to know for fact about anything unless you can prove you know for a fact every single Muslim around the world to make the comparison. Just because you see the bad, doesn't mean it represents the majority for an area. That is just careless and stupid.

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Completely bs made up stats, sweeping generalisations, and a very simplistic world view where everyone is easily divided into "good" and "bad" guys. I'm tempted to say "typical American" but that would be a bit hypocritical 

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I'm Danish too but I can't recognize the reality OP is describing as the country I live in. The vast majority of people, muslim or not, are just people who want to live their lives in peace. If anything blame the media for exaggerating this us vs them scenario.

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I think so. No one becomes a terrorist for fun. It happens because someone decided that enough was enough, whatever that "enough" was. Israelis like the militant terrorist group Irgun (a group that eventually had one of their members elected as the President of the country, IIRC) bombed and gunned down British officers and Muslims, with Muslims doing the same because the Israelis wanted to establish their country there and the Muslims didn't because it was land that they had settled on generations ago and to be pushed off of it was unacceptable; the British just wanted to keep the peace.

The Muslims that come to Europe are first-generation, and first-generation almost never properly assimilate into their new home, not completely. For Muslims, their religion IS their way of life, much like how the Amish are, I would say. They come to Europe for job opportunities and are aghast at how different we are to them; is it really any different than when Europeans travelled to imperial China to do business and discovered that the men wore "dresses" and smelled all flowery, and everyone worshipped their ancestors and saw the emperor as a living god? What did they do? That's right, they sent missionaries to try to convert the Chinese, and it didn't really work out well; they're still a minority, but they pushed the religion on them, anyway because it was the right thing to do, these people need to learn about Jesus..!

It's funny how people are so myopic that they don't realize that radical Islam was only birthed in the 60s and 70s due to the Arab world's hatred of Israel as well as the West's meddling in their affairs because of their oil supply (BP in Iran) and the looming European influences due to various agreements behind closed doors (Lebanon, Egypt, Afghanistan, etc). The reason they hate Europe so much, supposedly, is because countries like France and Britain have meddled in their affairs since the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1918. With the exception of Turkey, no nation in the Arab-speaking world/Muslim world has been free of foreign influence, and much like how Americans lashed out against British policies, the Muslims are taking the fight to the foreign lands that bombed--or allowed bombings to happen--in their homelands.

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Need we mention that it is actually Muslims who are doing all the fighting against ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, etc?

The problem is that European colonial powers divided up the Middle East among ethnic and tribal divisions, and created these artificial boundaries that caused foreseeable friction we are experiencing today. What is happening right now is the Middle East is breaking apart in places like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc.

~ I'm a 21st century man and I don't wanna be here.

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Degree, what a total load of utter CRAP and nonsense!! Blaming the Middle East problems on the white man. I heard this garbage before many times.
These people have failed to go through a Reformation nor an Enlightenment. They are still living the Dark Ages.
Hey moron, Al Queda is just as bad as ISIS. Did you forget about 9-11 among the other million bad thing they have done.

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Oh, I see... So what I said ISNT true? Or you're just a moron? Take your pick.

~ I'm a 21st century man and I don't wanna be here.

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To continue the deviation from the OP. Immigration in Europe is only part of the problem. Its the immigrants who refuse to assimilate into the existing culture into which they've moved thats the real issue. Not only do they refuse to assimilate they expect native Europeans to bend to their traditions.
These immigrants exist in satellite cities getting radical islam beamed in directly. Many of these European communities have produced jihadis for ISIS.

So whats to think it wont escalate? Who's to say it shouldnt?

Europeans need to stop being so complacent. Stop worrying about the sensitive feelings of these unassimilated, militant, immigrants.

They dont care about yours.

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Thats where your wrong. They want YOU to assimilate. This is no movie, this isnt a fantasy. Europe already has/had an existing culture, unique to different areas. Where the muslim immigrants settle & congregate, they do not assimilate.

The immigrants to North America in the first half of the twentieh century didnt have the internet, satellite TV or ability to quickly travel.
Yes, the Italians lived together, the Irish also. But they had to assimilate, and they did. Mass immigration has led to huge muslim ghettos. The highest birth rate in Europe is among the muslim immigrants. Murders & rapes go unreported in these "no go" satellite cities, and sharia law is enforced.

On European soil.

If these new muslim immigrants indeed want a better life than why do they send so many back to the middle east to join ISIS?

The mistakes of the past not to repeat are the do nothing,appeasement, attitudes that led to the rise of fascism.

This is the new reality that surrounds Eurostan.

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You said you were a Brit. I was posting about Gt.Britain & the rest of western Europe.

What I posted is the Islamofication of western Europe. And thats a fact. I've been to Europe. It was a complete shock.

In the US? Sheeeeze dude, we aMericans shoot each other with such regularity the Islamofacists couldnt ever keep pace unless they got ahold of a nuclear bomb.

And right wingers? Since we currently have a leftest administration they fear the right.

Thats Ok, keep your head firmly in the sand. Maybe you'll get Peace in Our Time.



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Well, this guy who didnt think islamic terrorists were much of a threat takes his posts down on a day when a guy in France had his head cut off & 27 Europeans were shot dead in Tunisia.

By muslims.

Point made.

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There's a difference. Judaism isn't based on hate and violence. You never hear of Jews beheading people based on their religion or skin color, Jews don't have slaves, Jews don't oppress others, Jews don't force their religion on others. Jews didn't make up 99% of the terrorists in the world. Muslims on the other hand have all these traits.


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OP, what are you blabbering about?
If its anyone I'm worried about in current day Europe it is Jews once again who come under increasing anti-semitic attacks (from both Muslims and far left enablers).

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Indeed. It is the 21st century and Jews are being attacked for being Jews in Europe yet again and it isn't white Aryan Nazi types doing it. Holocaust 2.0 will be carried out by the Leftists for the appeasement of the poor oppressed Muslims minorities.

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Sadly there is a 1930's atmosphere in Europe. I fear something will happen very soon.
It's like it's more accepted to be openly racist, and people should just take it.
Like here in Sweden Islamophobia is on the rise, people vandalise mosques, attacks on Muslims, burning down buildings. Verbal attacks and abuse is the new norm today. On buses and similar Muslim and African women are frequently victims of abuse.
The politicians aren't much better, with suggestions to register Muslims and openly convince people to discriminate against Muslims and so on. Not only Muslims, even Africans get the same treatment.

It's like the 30's again but this time it's Muslims and not Jews who are to blame for everything.

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Get your facts straight.

With the rise of the Nazi's in the 1930's it was the Jews and other groups that were singled out. The German/Jews were citizens of Germany.

Whats happening now is that Arab/Muslims have migrated to Germany from various war torn Muslim countries. These are not Germans citizens. Germany and most of Europe have welcomed these migrants.

As thanks for this welcome the migrants have begun to sexually assault, rape, commit crimes, and murder.

These migrants will not assimilate. They will not respect European traditions.

What do you expect to happen?

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The thing is sexual assault and rape has always been an issue and always will be. Murder too. It isn't just a recent event that occurred, it's been around for ages. We're not better than the immigrants, we just tend to ignore that.

Columbine shooting was done by two White non-immigrant Americans. Anders Behring Breivik, native Norwegian terrorised and massacred people and would be defined as terrorist. But since he is White and non-Muslim of course the media won't call him terrorist. he's just psychopat.
And you be surprised to find out that here in Sweden native Swedish men are still overrepresented in the rape statistics. A couple of years back we had the"Hagamannen", a serial rapist who raped many women.

So were not better at all.

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Yeah, I'm not so certain the citizens of Paris agree with you.
Stick your head in the sand if you wish. Its a statistical fact that rapes & sexual assaults, and murders, have spiked since the migrants arrived.

Why dont you have your wife or daughter go to a public swimming pool flled with Arab/Muslim migrants.

Might change your mind.

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lmao a swede. can it get anymore stereotypical?

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he'll be just as blase & simpleminded when his local church is converted to a mosque

"Neutral Sweden, we stand for nothing and fall for anything"

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Who gives a flying *beep* about churches these days? Majority of Swedes are atheist or doesn't belong to any religion so it doesn't really matter. They don't visit their local church either way, so it would be a win win situation.. On top of that it's a secular country too, so it's not a Christian country by any means.

Personally I think the less religious buildings in society the better. Religion in 2016 should be behind private doors, not public.

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As I said, "Neutral Sweden, stand for nothing, fall for anything".
Swedes should give a flying *beep* about their churches because your new guests sure give a flying *beep* about their mosques.
The good thing for Swedes is that they soon wont have the choice to not go to church. However attending the mosque will be manditory. If Swedenstan isnt a Christian country it sure as *beep* will soon be a Muslim one.

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Mind your own knitting

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Sweden's a mess - it's the rape capital of Europe and has a 6x higher rate of rape than the US. I mean I understand that it's a cultural thing, with Vikings raping and pillaging around Europe for centuries, but this is ridiculous. Just make sure you keep it in Sweden, buddy, and stay out of Prague. Oh, and keep that totalitarian *beep* there as well. You know, how in Sweden it's illegal to criticize the government or its policies or you get arrested, keep that for yourselves also.

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