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Have there been Nazis or Germans who boasted that they shot


and killed Jews, and that they wanted to exterminate thousands/millions of them?

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There have been many who admitted to what they did, and what they wanted to do. A good place to see examples of boasting would be in the film 'Shoah'.

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Watch the documentary, "Auschwitz, Inside the Nazi State." There are plenty of former guards, most notably Oskar Groning, who admit to what they did and what they were part of. Groning never directly killed anybody, but he was present at Auschwitz for quite a while and even took part in the selection process, though he feels no guilt for his role in the exterminations. He simply takes no pleasure in it either. But even today, many of the ones who were around will still say that the Jews had to be stopped and the justification for the murders of the children was that while the children had not directly done any evil, they still had the blood of the enemy within them and were thus guilty by association. It's kind of interesting to see such mental gymnastics over a simple right/wrong or good/evil scenario.

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Adolph Eichman one of the Architects of the Genocide against the Jews said "I will leap into my grave laughing because the feeling that I have five million human beings on my conscience is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction"

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Even then, Eichmann denied he was talking about the Jews. They only person to honestly talk about the holocaust is Groning; it didn't do him much good.

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Actually Eichmann later admitted it was the Jews he was talking about during his trial, but he claimed to have been young and naive and said he didn't hold those beliefs anymore. Lies, of course.

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Have there been Nazis or Germans who boasted that they shot and killed Jews, and that they wanted to exterminate thousands/millions of them?


You have to understand that countless German officers and camp guards were put on trial after the war by the Allies in military kangaroo courts, and they were all given the option to either "cooperate", or face severe punishment (life sentences and death). Cooperation basically meant taking a plea deal, upon which they admitted to untrue things they were accused of in exchange for leniency. So it's understandable that many Germans admitted guilt, or admitted to seeing "gassings" that never occurred. They had families they wanted to see again. They wanted their freedom. They wanted to help rebuild Germany. So they played ball.

It all works the same way in many modern justice system. Admit guilt and you get off relatively lightly. Plead innocence and they throw the book at you.

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Bulls**t

Eichmann admitted to it, even though he received the death penalty

Plenty of former members of the SS admitted to being complicit to the Holocaust. Even then, over 90% of SS members who actually manned a concentration or death camp escaped justice.

So, stop lying. You are full of crap.

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People under duress will admit to all kinds of things that aren't true, especially if they believe it might lead to a stay of execution, leniency, prevent ongoing physical and mental torture, or save their family from reprisals. Another problem with Eichmann's testimony are the number of truly outlandish, absurd claims he makes that are simply impossible. It was almost as if he was trolling the court or attempting to invalidate his own testimony by sounding crazy. Here is one such example when he spoke of "blood fountains" coming from the ground in Lemberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqkhdZORjSc

But the real problem with Eichmann's testimony is the fact that there is no hard physical evidence to support any of it. If you believe I am wrong or "lying", just show it to me. Why is this so hard for you guys to do?

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You're contradicting yourself. At first, you claim that people admitted to the holocaust in order to avoid the death penalty, and then you claim that people admitted to the holocaust even though they already had been sentenced to death.

Tens of Thousands of individuals giving identical stories isn't enough for you
The actual gas chambers and crematoriums isn't enough for you
The perpetrators admitting to it isn't enough for you
The forensic evidence (skeletal remains in mass graves, layers of fat in the ground that could only come from massive burning pits filled with human bodies, the video and photographic evidence of burning pits/open graves/etc...) isn't good enough for you.

I think nothing will be good enough for you. Luckily, people like you are in the extreme minority.

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You're contradicting yourself. At first, you claim that people admitted to the holocaust in order to avoid the death penalty, and then you claim that people admitted to the holocaust even though they already had been sentenced to death.


No, there's no contradiction. Thousands of Germans were arrested, detained, and interrogated after the war. Many were beaten and tortured. Many were deprived of sleep and food. Many were threatened with life sentences and hanging. As such, they all reacted differently. Some refused to cooperate outright. Some admitted to anything demanded of them to stop the mistreatment. And some made deals that guaranteed their freedom. But none of them had any hope of getting a fair trial. After all, we're talking about military tribunals here.

This means that the testimony of these men is without credibility. It's impossible to know which ones were tortured or not. It's impossible to know which ones were promised leniency in exchange for untrue testimony. It's impossible to know which ones had their families threatened unless they cooperated fully. For all we know, all the Germans who admitted to the Holocaust were the ones being tortured behind the scenes.

So I see no reason to believe anything they say. Hell, even Allied sources confirm the mistreatment of German prisoners.

Tens of Thousands of individuals giving identical stories isn't enough for you


There are also tens of thousands of individuals who give contradictory stories. How do you know which side to believe?

The actual gas chambers and crematoriums isn't enough for you.


For one thing, crematoriums don't prove anything. Practically every funeral home in the United States has a crematorium, but that doesn't mean the United States is engaged in ethnic cleansing.

Secondly, what "actual" gas chambers are you referring to? You mean the fake ones that were reconstructed after the war by the Soviets? Even the people who run Auschwitz today admit that the gas chambers that are there now were reconstructed after the war. Part of that whole "history is written by the victors" thing.

The perpetrators admitting to it isn't enough for you.


No, not when there's evidence that they've been tortured or offered special deals.

I guarantee that if I were to kidnap you, lock you in a dungeon, and mistreat you for six months, I could get you to admit to something you never did in exchange for your freedom. People tend to want to save their own skins, even at the cost of their integrity.

The forensic evidence (skeletal remains in mass graves, layers of fat in the ground that could only come from massive burning pits filled with human bodies, the video and photographic evidence of burning pits/open graves/etc...) isn't good enough for you.


Surely you must be aware that a typhus epidemic was raging across Europe during the last year of the war, right? That millions of people were dying from disease, starvation, exposure, and constant bombing and artillery attacks, right? What do you think the Germans did with all those bodies? They didn't have the time, manpower, or resources to give each and every corpse a proper burial. Instead, they dug giant pits and dumped the corpses in by the hundreds. When the ground was hard and they couldn't dig pits, they burned bodies using petrol and wood to prevent the spread of disease.

So of course the Allies found mass graves all throughout the Reich after the war. The Germans had no special magic to make all those dead bodies disappear.

I think nothing will be good enough for you. Luckily, people like you are in the extreme minority.


Don't look now, but I just logically refuted every one of your points with very little effort. And I've got news for you. People like me, who don't accept the manufactured history of the Holohoax, are growing in number, not declining. More and more people are questioning the mainstream historical and political narrative they were raised to believe. So you better start coming up with better evidence, arguments, and talking points, or you'll find yourself on the losing end of many more debates in the future, just like this thread.

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Scarycaroler, that was beautiful work there.

And a hat's off to you for putting up with all the petty, childish insults you're getting from the other threads.

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Thanks, RomaVictorrr. You have to understand that these people are essentially trolls. Many of them don't even believe the crap they are spewing. As such, they aren't defending genuine history. In other words, they don't really care about the truth. What they are defending is an ideology. It's political for them.

Once you understand the mindset of the average Jew, as well as the mindset of their Shabbos goy helpers, it's very easy to turn all of their own trolling tactics against them. They don't know how to respond to it. It's a lot like shining a light on cockroaches. All they can do is scatter and/or behave erratically.

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Warning!This post may be rude, crude and abrasive.......

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