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Ending Re-animated: WHY??

posted 19 years ago by DCOUNTRY87
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I'm surprised no one's brought this up yet, but on the recent DVD rerelease, the end of the final fight has been re-animated, presumably so it it would be less "violent": After Jafar's lamp is completely destroyed by the lava, Jafar begins to be destroyed himself. On the original 1994 release, there are four shots of him being electricuted (sp?), complete with conventional cartoon flashing skeleton. On the DVD, the first 2 shots of his electricution have been redrawn. so that we still see the same shots, but his skeleton has been painted over, and we just see his electricution. The final 2 shots are left untouched, so that we do see his flashing skeleton. Has anyone else noticed this yet?
Thanks.

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[–] danafess2 19 years ago

I am FAIRLY certain that the reason that scene looks different has less to do with making it seem "less violent" than with frame rate. The film was originally animated for and released on VHS- which runs at 30 frames per second (fps). USUALLY a film is animated at 24 fps (okay really 12 fps because on "twos" drawings are held for two frames- but that's another story).

Then a complex thing that i don't fully understand called a "pull-down" happens to make the 24 fps film stretch out to 30 fps for VHS while maintaining the basic speed and timing (I have noticed in slow motion that every other drawing (in slow motion I've noticed that every fourth frame is held for an additional frame which would achieve the desired effect)

ANYWAY, the scene to which you refer was somehow animated (on "ones," so one drawing for each frame) at 30 fps.

DVDs CAN use the 30 fps frame rate (an example of this is Warner's DVD release of "Batman: Sub Zero."), but Disney tends to do things at higher quality, so they keep the original 24 fps. I think this one and only 30 fps scene was ignored or forgotten so that's why we lose the skeleton.

(actually, when I got the DVD, this was one of the main reasons I got it because I remember it and wanted to see how they handled it.)

Hope that helps

[–] DCOUNTRY87 19 years ago

Thanks. I just hope Disney remembers the scene at the end of "The Little Mermaid" when thy do the Platnum Edition in 2 years, where Ursula is stabbed & her skeleton flashes as she dies. And heaven help them if the ever release shows like "Aladdin", "Goof Troop", "Quack Pack", "Darkwing Duck", and "Bonkers" to DVD, since each have a fair share of flashing-skeleton electricutions in a number of episodes.

[–] danafess2 19 years ago

Just so you know, Ursula's flashing skeleton was done on 24 fps, so it should not be affected. If it is, in fact, missing, then it would appear that it and Jafar's skeleton was removed intentionally- but I doubt it. My Little Mermaid "Limited Edition" DVD had the scene intact.

[–] WHEELS20 17 years ago

Haha yeah I remember there's a shot of Goofy electrocuting himself in the intro song of Goof Troop, so that would be at least once per episode already.

[–] Council-of-Elrond 18 years ago

I don't think it's an issue of "violent" so much as "scary." With the Saturday morning fare, it's meant as humor and is rather tame. With Ursula, it only happens for a split second before she melts into a boiling black puddle. But with Jafar, as I remember it from a few years back, you first get an arm shot that flails and flashes, then after Genie and Jasmine are safe, you get a full-body close-up shot of him screaming and thrashing, and here is where the music gets intense unlike anything in any other Disney movie. I remember it really scaring me after the first time or two watching it, but after those two shots, the shock factor dies down. While it is easily the most violent demise of any Disney villain, I don't think that's the reason. I think it had to do with the younger viewers being scared by it.
For the record, I don't have the DVD, but if I remember correctly, the original release was not rated, and I imagine Disney looked back on that and decided it might have destroyed any chance of a G rating here (not that there was much chance to begin with, it's rather dark).

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[–] macabre-6 18 years ago

Yeah, here in Norway the rating was 11(if i remember correctly, the same rating as the Batman show got). But on the DVD it's rated 7, probably cut then. Too bad, it's a really cool scene.

[–] macabre-6 18 years ago

Correction, the VHS i own is rated 10 and it's complete with all the electocution shots. There are several other intense scenes that make it the darkest Disney movie i have seen. Darkwing Duck was too violent(a superb show)for Norway(the whole 3rd season was banned), this was simply to scary and frightening for a 5 or 7 age rating. I don't think it's as good as the first...well, who does? But it's not THAT bad.

[–] hannaroo1991 18 years ago

I can understand Disney removing the skeleton scene. I just rewatched the movie and was really disturbed by it. Of course almost all of the old classics disturb me as I'm getting older. I seem to be picking up on inuedos(sp?) and rather dark themes. Scary.

[–] smiggedy 18 years ago

yea. The old Disney just seems more and more creepy...(I still like the classics anyway)

I guess that's why all the new disney stuff, especially on the Disney Channel, seems really frilly and a little too happy.

[–] blackroze3489 18 years ago

Why do they think children now are so much more sensitive than those of us who had this movie originally were when we saw it??? I've realized that with television too. The kids I babysit are afraid of commercials for horror movies. With the kind of stuff they watch, if they were ever to see that old show on Nickelodeon "Are You Afraid of the Dark?" like I used to watch when I was their age, they wouldn't sleep for a week.

[–] macabre-6 18 years ago

Thanks man for reminding me og "Are You Afraid of the Dark?". One episode scared the living hell out of me, I couldn't sleep normal for a week or so.

[–] peeaecee 17 years ago

Genies have skeletons?

[–] macabre-6 16 years ago

Saw it again, best death in a Disney movie ever. I love the insane screaming.

[–] Wman1996 12 years ago

I know right? I think that every time I watch the scene, so much that the scene doesn't scare me.

[–] baasarm 12 years ago

The Laserdisc release I have is the original version, and upon close analysis, it appears the flashing skeleton was animated at 29.970 fps, whilst the DVD is transferred at 23.976 fps. So it is probably due to that fact that its missing.

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[–] esther-eisenhauer 13 years ago

Just saw what I'm assuming is the DVD version (I found it online, so I'm not really sure). Yeah, they definitely took out the best parts of the final fight. Sad, really.

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[–] grrrdevin 11 years ago

I guess Herbert West got a hold of it.

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