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The most shameful misinterpretation I have ever seen


The following is in regard to some obnoxious SJW thinking Nightmare before Christmas tells the message that Cultural Appropriation is bad.

Wow, someone really, really misunderstood Nightmare before Christmas to a horrific and disgusting degree. Okay, let's begin.

1. Tim Burton has repeatedly explained what Nightmare before Christmas is about and it's not about cultural appropriation.

2. The end of the story has Santa bring snow to Halloween Town. And it's wonderful.

3. The soundtrack and novelization has the film's hidden epilogue where Santa comes and visit's Jack because he secretly likes Halloween. And he asks Jack if he could turn the mighty clock back would he do the whole thing all over again. And Jack turns and smiles and says "Wouldn't you?"

4. "Avoiding Cultural appropriation" is a vulgar and disgusting, misguided conceit of social justice warriors that has become nothing more than thinly veiled and willful cultural segregation. You know "Separate yet equal." Have you any idea how Tim Burton feels about such things? Half of Corpse Bride is inspired by Mexican Day of the Dead merged with Victorian English culture and a Jewish folktale for crying out loud! "Separate yet equal" / screaming "Cultural appropriation" would have denied Tim Burton half of his most brilliant films.

5. You honestly think Tim Burton- someone like him- would preach the important of conformity and sticking to your own kind? and never try and embrace something different?

6. I DARE you to tell Tim Burton this "Brilliant" interpretation and stay in the room with him for ten minutes with the door locked. Oh, and can you have a camera record the encounter?

http://www.themarysue.com/nightmare-before-christmas-cultural-appropriation/

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The irony of this article is it actually DOES appropriate something and turns it into something it’s not and does not represent and that seems to be what the author is ironically trying to preach against.

The simple fact is Tim Burton does not feel any shame about mixing and matching aspects of different cultures and that was never the intentional interpretation of this movie. Look at Corpse Bride, for example. He fully admits Corpse Bride is a mixture of Mexican Day of the Dead, Victorian England, and a Russian / Jewish folktale. If Tim Burton was anti-Cultural appropriation (as many social justice Warriors call it) than much of his work would not exist. Cultural appreciation (not appropriation) is a major theme of Nightmare before Christmas as both cultures give and borrow from each other and love each other at the end of the story. The direct opposite of the interpretation in this article, which would serve no purpose but to depress a true Nightmare before Christmas fan.

There are good intentions behind being anti-Cultural appropriation. I acknowledge this but many have untentionally condoned and promoted a “separate but equal” mindset which is a thinly veiled self-justified form of cultural segregation.

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Self-justified form of cultural segregation. I'm on my break at work and couldn't churn out the response I wanted to give this. But EXACTLY. Thank you. You hit the nail on the head. :)

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I couldn't stand reading it. It's boring as Hell.

Green Goblin is great! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1L4ZuaVvaw

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"And why should they have all the fun?
It should be long to anyone"

Just those lyrics cited in the article, of course before Jack sings of improving upon Christmas (innocently...mischievously...he is the Pumpkin King, after all. He has his stroke of deviance about him but he also yearns to spread the wonder that Christmas Town gave him to his neighbors. He seems to want to alter it more to help the other Halloween Town residents better accept it.), didn't really seem to click with the author.

What I always took from TNBC is that these holidays should belong to everyone. Whether in their original form or not, all people can appreciate and share in a celebration of something. And when we change these meanings of celebrations due to our own beliefs, preferences, interpretations...yes, there can be repercussions. Jack pays for his mistakes. But we can't necessarily fault him for his curiosity and love of this holiday so different from his own. I think the article is really straining to find ways to critique this film through the lens of this trend in modern day bashing of anything that isn't "PC" enough. So I agree with you. :)

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What I always took from TNBC is that these holidays should belong to everyone. Whether in their original form or not, all people can appreciate and share in a celebration of something. And when we change these meanings of celebrations due to our own beliefs, preferences, interpretations...yes, there can be repercussions. Jack pays for his mistakes.

I maybe wrong but I just took it that Jack thought the gifts they made wouldn't come to life and terrorize everyone. Though the giant snake does seem a bit questionable in that regard.

Green Goblin is great! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1L4ZuaVvaw

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I've seen how unpleasant discussions about this sort of thing can get (I should know since I use tumblr :P), so before I respond to the OP, I'll let readers know that I'm not trying to state my opinions as facts and I hope to keep things as civil as possible.)

I've read a few other commentaries about how TNBC can serve as a representation of cultural appropriation, so I doubt the article in question will show me anything new. I can see both sides of the issue regarding cultural appropriation. But I don't think your arguments in particular are very strong.

1. I won't say that the audience is always right and I do believe that it's possible to watch a movie wrong. With that said, good stories—in my opinion—can be interpreted in many ways.
2. That's true, but I don't really understand how this works against the concept of cultural appropriation as the movie's theme. It's notable that things only backfire when Jack takes over a holiday that doesn't belong to him. (And things are only resolved when he realizes his mistake.) The ending exemplifies how things can be enjoyed without being taken.
3. Once more, I don't know how this point supports your argument.
4. In my opinion, there is a big difference between inspiration and appropriation. True, the Land of the Dead from Corpse Bride does have the image of lively death things like the Day of the Dead, but in very different ways. I don't believe I've seen any real aspects of Mexican culture in the movie. (Plus, I doubt incorporating upbeat elements with the macabre was ever exclusively a Mexican thing.) You don't have to be culturally segregated to avoid exploiting another culture with a disregard for its meaning and people. (Which is what I believe cultural appropriation is.)
5. I don't know what Tim Burton's ideals are, but once more, it IS possible to enjoy different cultures without exploiting them and without twisting them into something they aren't (the latter of which is not unlike what Jack did with Christmas). So I disagree that speaking against cultural appropriation is speaking for conformity.

I won't say I agree that cultural appropriation is the movie's central theme, but I do think it's an interesting interpretation and I wouldn't dismiss it right off the bat.

All in all, what I get from the movie's moral is this (as I mentioned in another post on IMDB): broaden your horizons, explore new things and appreciate them, but don't take what isn't yours.

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I won't say I agree that cultural appropriation is the movie's central theme, but I do think it's an interesting interpretation and I wouldn't dismiss it right off the bat.


I dismiss it right off the bat because Tim Burton has been very open in not wanting his work to be used in political statements and is usually also very open about all symbolic meanings of his work and I tend to respect the guy who wrote the original poem, designed the characters, and has unaccredited source for the lyrics.

Also considering it ends with Santa secretly fond of Halloween Town (according to the soundtrack) and him asking Jack if he would do the whole thing all over again, would he?" followed by "Wouldn't you?" it hardly seems to hold up the message.

To quote Freud, sometimes a cigar is just cigar.

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Good grief!! It's a brilliant, fun masterpiece! End of story.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Thank you! Hate when people kill movies by trying to analyze every little detail about it. I hated watching movies in college, because professors would pause the movies arter certain lines and ask, "What do you think that means?" Who cares? It's a movie. Watch it. Enjoy.

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