Cafe Girl


I'm confused with mainly everything but I'm starting to understand the movie. I was hoping to 'understand' the plot but I realise that's not the point. The movie is a one-and-half-long vignette. Okay, okay. But I still have one more issue. I don't get the relevance of Johnny (Thewlis) and the cafe girl (McKee)? Why in the world did she burst out crying? What did the whole scene tell about Johnny? As I understand it, his persona was finally undergoing a change (or did he?). He finally found a place of acceptance, but then goddamn Homer had to ruin it all.

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i can't say i have an answer but it's possible that the cafe girl had the feeling she was being merely used for a place to stay ever since he started following her home, and it was during that short exchange by the fire that it all hit her and she just snapped, it seems a bit abrupt, but he asks her out of the blue if he can stay the night, and they talk about her dog, johnny laughs in reply to her asking if he ever had a dog, and he again laughs when she asks if he has a picture of his mother...i think she realizes than that he's a cruel and unfeeling person who's using her and going to wind up throwing her away,
she's smarter than the other women and gets rid of him before anything develops

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Didnt get this part either... What set her off in such a manner? Someone please explain...

As regards to the quote of what Johnny said about never ever understanding, i thought that was aimed at the qudience to get his honest perspective and understanding on the matter. However i still think that we're supposed to be able to determine why Cafe Girl got so upset?

Im guessing here but maybe after all the questions she asks him (dog, mother, christmas) trying to gain a feel for home and family and warmth (he is simply not the type of person to exhibit those type of feelings toward anyone) and he simply laughs at her questions like "what the eff is her problem, this sad and boring girl". She sees he is very conniving in nature and cant deal with it.

Also she may have been going through an emotional time (dead dog, away from family, missing mom) and needed a "hug" and sympathetic ear which Johnny didnt provide. Remember she started to cry when he asked her what she was doing for chirstmas.. But she was sad and crying while drinking as soon as that scene started.

Also i'd like to point out the lack of eye contact she makes with Johnny. From the time she tells him to "eff off" and gets up from the chair till she throws his stuff down the stairs she doesnt make eye contact until she screams loudly the final time and looks at him for the first time since her hostile move. She didn't wanna be figured out and soothed, she was stuck on being in that lonesome and isolated state of mind. Question is, why though?

Dont know why but that scene really stands out to me.



1/10= Toxic
3= Disappointing
5= Ok
6= Recommended
8= Excellent!
10/10= Timeless Masterpiece.

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I'm not sure that Leigh wanted viewers to be able to determine for sure what her deal is. In the DVD commentary he alludes to something specific in the character's history that informed her behavior in the scene but, as usual with his direction, it's deliberately left undisclosed to the audience. I don't mind ambiguity of motivations like this but he always seems a little smug when discussing the ~secret~ preparations for characters. In any case to me she seems like more of a serious trauma case than just lonely/adrift, or like someone who's sociable enough sober but once they start drinking they disintegrate. I think that whether or not we know the cause for her freakout, the more straightforward point of the scene may be that Johnny isn't really trying to manipulate or dominate her as he has in other interactions with female characters, but then his improved behavior is met with a confusing, hostile response. For someone as obsessed with fact-gathering and pattern-seeking (EG the conspiracy theories) as he is I think this kind of unpredictability and impenetrability of other people's motives is even more frightening, so maybe Leigh was right not to let us in on the details of her life. I dunno.

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Probably suffered a serious rejection in her past and now feels rejected again.

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