Stu - was he a bad guy?


I'm confused about Stu.

Obviously, because he was presented as the anti-Daniel, we're expected to hate this suave, handsome, charming man from the get go.

But at the pool, when Stu talks to that man by the bar about the kids... I was expecting him to go full out and say he was only buttering Miranda up. For what reason, I dont know.. the movie doesnt make it clear what Stu would be using Miranda for.

But Stu ends up saying how wonderful the kids are.

And there were no other instances in the movie where Stu was terrible to either Miranda or the kids. So what was he - a good guy or a bad guy??

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At first watch, I wondered that too. He came off as a bit pompous & judgmental but not the ghoul that Daniel made him out to be for sure.

While some of his comments at the pool were nasty & uncalled for, such as telling people the kids needed a 'stable father figure' (Daniel WAS stable by then, and he'd always loved them deeply), he seemed like an OK guy to me.

The film didn't villainize him enough, Daniel just comes off as looking like the ass by his actions. I also didn't think his putting pepper in this man's food was funny at ALL. Stu had said he was allergic to pepper, not that he hated pepper. He could been killed!
I lost most of my sympathy for Daniel about 3/4 of the way through the film. He was such a child.


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the gramps in shipping who called daniel a 'smartass'--he was the villain. what a humorless goon!





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The movie was about Daniel wanting access to see his children, not about him getting Miranda back.

At the pool scene when Stu is talking to his friend, I assumed he would start trash talking about the kids and saying he only wanted Miranda for one thing, which would then lead to Daniel trying to expose him as a fraud.
However, this wasn't the case and the plot seemed to focus on Daniel's efforts to see more of his children, as well as his jealousy of Stu taking his place within the family.
To sum up, Stu was a genuinely nice guy, and exactly what Miranda was looking for in a partner, it was just Daniel's resentment of the closeness to his family.

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"To sum up, Stu was a genuinely nice guy, and exactly what Miranda was looking for in a partner, it was just Daniel's resentment of the closeness to his family."

Great answer.

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by gmansi 2 minutes ago (Tue Jan 15 2013 07:55:24)

Just fantastic on this movie, and I eally like he's not the typical devilish stepfather

elegant, handsome, always friendly, perfect for the paper"

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stu wasnt a bad guy until he called daniel a loser. he had no right, he didnt even know him so he should never had said that.
typical thing an ass says when their new partner has come out of a relationship. girls do it all the time cos they r t**ts.

ive had girls call me mean and say i treated my ex badly even though he cheated twice, lied etc and they only just met him and ive known him 10yrs. gets on my nerves, they think they know them better than u and start giving u mouth about ur ex when they dont even know the story, they just listen to the guys lies and tell the ex that they are a bitch for treating their new guy mean.

twats.

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stu wasnt a bad guy until he called daniel a loser. he had no right, he didnt even know him so he should never had said that.
typical thing an ass says when their new partner has come out of a relationship. girls do it all the time cos they r t**ts.

ive had girls call me mean and say i treated my ex badly even though he cheated twice, lied etc and they only just met him and ive known him 10yrs. gets on my nerves, they think they know them better than u and start giving u mouth about ur ex when they dont even know the story, they just listen to the guys lies and tell the ex that they are a bitch for treating their new guy mean.

twats.


...what?

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I think he was supposed to be a good guy. The only negative thing he really did was call Daniel a loser. But he probably got that from Miranda, who seemed perfectly willing to badmouth him to anyone who would listen.

On a side note, I was watching this on AMC and they put up little tidbits about the movie, and one of them said that Stu was originally supposed to be a villian who wanted to send the kids off to boarding school.

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This was a book before it was a movie.
Stu was a bad guy in the book.


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I'm glad they dumped the villain idea from the book to the movie. Even though from the audiences' perspective, we tend to be on Daniel's and the kids' side, we can see that Stu is a pretty good guy. The kids like him and he was making Miranda happy (although I'd question how fast she started seeing him).

The "loser" comment was the only time he was a pr*ck, and even that could've been secondhand stuff he'd heard from Miranda when she was mad.

btw, even though the ending is supposed to be ambiguous, I wonder if Miranda kept up seeing Stu or not? He probably was weirded out finding out Mrs. Doubtfire was Daniel and may have thought he needed to back off for awhile, lol.

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Stu was definitely a good guy, but from Daniel's perspective, he was his nemesis. The film makes it clear that Stu loves and respects Miranda, adores her kids and treats them all well. Sure, he called Daniel a "loser" but he was likely repeating what Miranda told him. And the comment wasn't untrue as Daniel lost his wife, his kids, even his house thanks to his immaturity.

Simply put, Daniel was bitter and jealous at how successful Stu was being in Daniel's old role as "dad" and resorted to childish acts to make Stu's life miserable (breaking his Mercedes emblem, throwing the fruit at his head, covering his food in pepper, etc).

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You answered the question in your post.

It would be clichéd and boring for him to be a pompous, deceitful womanizer, but as is clear from the scene at the pool bar, he's genuine and good replacement-father material. All of the reasons Daniel hates him are basically petty, jealousy-related reasons; he makes a lot of money, he's dating his ex-wife, he looks like Pierce Brosnan, etc. The only thing he does that can really be considered inconsiderate (excluding when he hits on Miranda at the beginning of the movie--we don't know how much he knew about her relationship status at the time) is call Daniel a loser, which is really hard to fault him for; everyone is at least a little more mean when talking about people who aren't present than when they are, and Stu definitely had the grounds to make that comment. I think the bar scene is a great moment because we're able to empathize with Daniel and understand that Stu is not the sleazy slimeball that Daniel wants to think he is.

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i think the character was written/portrayed well for the tone of the film; it's supposed to be a family comedy with some dramatics. If they made stu a bad guy, it would have made the film much darker seeing as how he spends so much time around the children, potentially becoming their step father some day.

His main 'crime' is being rich and more responsible than daniel. But the reality is he's not a bad guy; even when Daniel nearly kills him at the end he doesnt freak out and demand Daniel arrested.


His character was important because it added an extra obstacle for Daniel trying to regain his children.

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I don't think he was a bad guy. But the comments he made about Daniel were out of line. Quite frankly, he didn't know what he was talking about. He was basing his opinion solely upon what Miranda, who was the bitter and spiteful soon-to-be ex-wife of Daniel, was saying about Daniel.

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Daniel did feel threatened by Stu and felt Stu was going to replace him as his kid's father. But calling Daniel a loser, by not actually meeting him and getting to know him, was uncalled for and judgmental. When Daniel put the pepper on Stu's food. He was really drunk and had drunken a couple of scotches and a bit of champaign. He didn't think that the pepper would cause him to choke and possibly kill Stu.

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maybe loser was harsh to say. But I am assuming that Stu, didn't he mention dating Miranda in college previously? Or maybe it was in delieted footage or something?

But seriously. Calling Daniel a loser was kind of being kind. He was irresponsible, immature. They drifted apart. If you want to go with the cliché opposites attract but as they grew older grew apart. Honestly the movie in many ways is about Daniel kind of growing up a bit.

Daniel I admit. I liked him a lot, he had principles. But he was also it seemed kind of a mooch to a wife who was earning all of the money. At least that's the impression that I got. That he would be the kind of dad who it was more important that the kids liked him rather than necessarily doing what was right for them. Throughout the film he does mature a bit.

Daniel is clearly jealous of Stu. Who is much more a match to Miranda. They were both much too serious minded. Not saying that's a bad or good thing, just the way it is. Honstly though Miranda was not exactly shy about slamming Daniel in front of Mrs. Doubtfire so I can't imagine she was any more kind in front of Stu.

Stu thought he was confiding in another adult. And saying what he was told was the truth. Yes Daniel did love his kids. That's quite clear. But he couldn't be mature enough to work through the 3 months abd get visitation the right way? He was short, cursed in front of his children.

Which is understandable with the stress of a deteriorating marriage. But I can't really blame Stu for that. Maybe he shouldn't have spoken out of school, but who is so perfect to have never done that? Daniel the entire film mocked Stu, who seemed oblivious. The only reason we forgive him is because it was so oblivious. He flat out said his wife had an STD, to Stu. Hardly things a mature adult would do either? so why hate Stu for saying something that wasn't even malicious as at at least he didn't know whom he was talking to.

Stu was boring.. a bit stuff, but a bad guy? No, not so much.

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