Does anybody know why on earth Jude was so keen to get naked infront of her kid?I know she's a nutter, but I thought she was gona y'know abuse him or something, I suppose you could kinda call dat abuse. I don't know whether I liked this movie or not, it was all very strange! And it really made me jump, especially when Kes was awake at night and saw that weird image of his dad!!! Really gave me the heebie jeebies!
sharei thought she would have oral sex or something but its goood that she did not do that
''i'll be back''
As Kes is suppost to be 12 in the movie, he is on the edge of puberty. And you know what 12 year olds all like to see. It's one of her little psychological tricks. Please the senses, please the heart.
shareProblem here is people tend to associate nudity with the so called "inappropriate" and "obscene". It is, in truth, neither.
Jude was simply trying to bring home the point to Kes that she and him were and always would be "one." SO she stood up and showed him the C section mark on her stomach. Personally, I think only a ridiculously conservative person would see anything wrong with that. I've seen my parents and other relatives naked before and they've seen me..its natural and we have no qualms with it.
Granted, Jude was kinda off of nuts anyway, so she probably wasn't even thinking clearly.
But seriously, people need chill out about the nudity already. Sheesh.
If you truly think it is appropriate for a mother to stand up in the bathtub, naked and dripping with soapy water, and show her son her c-section scar, then I hope to god you never have children. Did you notice how freaked out the kid was? That's what stuff like that does to kids. It freaks them out and hurts them. Talk about a lack of appropriate boundaries. Did you not get that she was manipulating the kid and hurting the kid? Again, do not have children EVER. Don't work around them either.
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shareas a manipulating ploy it is devious to do that to your own child who is apparently raised to feel ashamed when watching simple nudity...
shareWhat you said! That scene was bordering on incest and was completely insane, not to mention freaky, uncomfortable, and obviously terrifying for the little boy. It is NOT okay for a child to be looking at his naked parents or vice versa. For the above person, I agree with coolbluegreen, I hope you do not continue your family line because that is twisted and backwards.
Where have all the good writers gone?
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Might as well register yourself as a piddler if you think this is okay.
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Are you your own grandmother?
Hama cheez ba-Beer behtar meshawad!
You're an idiot. Or you have some seriously weird mother/son issues
Just watch the movie. Read the book.
The scene was sexual in EVERY way.
Sorry. Its not conservative hysteria. It's a really messed up woman who may have sexual feelings for her son.
This isnt about teaching people about sex vs.nudity, nor is it about American sexual, cultural, and societal norms, (which vary widely). It's to establish the crazy, no-holds barred psychotic character of a very twisted mother, who abandons her family, finds another woman in "her place", then uses whatever tactics to manipulate her sons & get rid of woman #2.
What woman in her right mind would switch from total, unexplained abandonment to instant intimacy? (Crudely, she may or may not realize her nudity may be shocking to her son, but it's not about her son's feelings: it's all about HER - the total narcissist). She does this to rattle, to unbalance & to arouse her son,not for any sexual thrill or act, but to quickly break down his barriers & gain control.
Children need to understand the concept of personal space, of appropriate and inappropriate behaviour, in the context of whatever norm is decided by parents and the immediate society. There is no history, here, to create that context. Kes is confused, probably knows something isn't "right", may be embarrassed, but the point is he is like someone who is asked to get into a shark tank with a "harmless" shark without any knowledge of shark behaviour, without knowing what actions might trigger a shark attack, yet being told he must "love" the shark. He might not even know how to swim, yet he knows that in the water, the shark rules. He has little power. THAT's the point.
The storyline involving Kes and Judith is much...MUCH...more disturbing in the original novel, on which the movie is based. Of course, the novel itself has many more graphic occurences. SPOILERS BELOW...
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In the novel, there is a sister, Daisy, who is killed by Kes.
The father, and his girlfriend are murdered by the boys.
Kes and his mother have a sexual relationship.
Eww
shareI just read the book its weird seeing Jamie on the cover and the women inside looks nothing like her
shareThe scene is ambiguous mainly because the studio didn't have the courage to follow the original story.
There, the roles are reversed; Kes takes the bath and his mother comes to him, chats and then offers to wash his back. However it is not only his back she soaps and eventually she performs oral sex on the boy.
That night she takes Kes to bed and has full sex with him.
It must be remembered that Kes was experiencing diametrically opposed emotions towards his mother - he hated her for leaving but the maternal/filial relationship that is established at birth is extremely strong. When you couple this with his own burgeoning sexuality, one begins to understand how Jude was able to manipulate his confused and impressionable mind.
As evidenced by her earlier actions, for example the self mutilation with the broken picture glass, it is clear that she will do anything to get what she wants- even seduce her own son!
Instead of staying true to the book by including the scene (which could easily have been implicit rather than explicit) the studio went for a gratuitous nude shot of JLC (or her body double).
Remind me not to ever read that book.
BLLLEEAAAGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
WTF???? EWWWW!!!!! I wanted to kill JLC in the movie!!!! Anyone who writes books like this belongs in a mental institution!!!!! Disgusting piece of *beep* story!!!!!!! It should be banned from ever being read!!!!
shareIts horror, psychological abuse- drama. Its not right but neither is incest Hamlet, or murder- but its entertainment- it is an escape from reality- it is not meant that because people watch or read about it, they participate in it- the mopvies are rated "R" because they are not for kids and that is why some books dont get transferred to screen- and sometimes they do- its sensationalism- most people find incest wrong and appaling and disgusting but it still makes good drama and sells lots of literature- and movies
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Sorry but banning books isn't right. Just like TV and movies people always have the right to choose what they watch. If you are not interested in this book simply because it dipicts something that is considered wrong thats your choice. But to ban something because you dont agree with the material it covers sounds a lot like nazi policey.
shareLOL sounds like it offended your sensibilities! ROFL
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix
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From a character standpoint, the scene (although disturbing) was a crucial manipulation technique by Jude to get her son back on her side. She not only manipulated him by targeting his hormones, she then used her c-section scar to guilt him for destroying her perfect body. I'm glad the film didn't follow the novel's incest plotline, I think executing it the way the film did was more effective and psychologically disturbing because it leaves a lot open to interpretation on the lengths her character was willing to go.
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