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Why is this so underrated?


6.1 ? I don't understand. This deserves at least an average between 7 and 8. So much good stuff in this movie.

I thought maybe it was badly received by the critics and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, but Ebert gave it a ***1/2 out of ****. I agree with his review that it's the kind of movie you like to see more than once.

Mad Dog And Glory
BY ROGER EBERT / March 5, 1993


"Mad Dog and Glory" is one of the few recent movies where it helps to pay close attention. Some of the best moments come quietly and subtly, in a nuance of dialogue or a choice of timing. The movie is very funny, but it's not broad humor, it's humor born of personality quirks and the style of the performances.

The movie begins when Wayne, a timid Chicago cop (Robert De Niro), walks in on a convenience store holdup and accidentally saves the life of Frank, an expansive gangster (Bill Murray). Frank is not your average hood. He not only owns a comedy club, he performs in it.

He also collects bets, which is why he controls a young woman named Glory (Uma Thurman), who is trying to work off her brother's gambling debt. One day she turns up at Wayne's house and explains that Frank is giving her to him for a week, in gratitude.

This is a present Wayne does not want. Indeed, he is beginning to see that his entire relationship with Frank is a big mistake, since there is no way to be this gangster's friend without being drawn into his activities. Wayne doesn't even think of himself as a real cop. He's shy and fears he is a coward. He works for the department as an evidence technician and frames his photos of dead bodies as if they were art; he's a would-be Weejee.

The screenplay by Richard Price ("The Wanderers," "The Color of Money") avoids the temptation to paint this situation in broad strokes. A dumb comedy might have been made of the situation, but this is a smart one. It's about a man who begins the movie with no friends, and quickly gets one he doesn't want and another, Glory, who terrifies him. She gives him kissing lessons, but he is uncertain about his bedroom skills, and when she tries to get his shirt off he explains that he should do some sit-ups. "Right now?" she asks. She can't believe her ears. "No . . . I mean generally." The director, John McNaughton, is best known for the chilling "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer." This movie is completely different in theme, and yet it has the same quiet way of developing characters. The camera watches people while they gradually reveal themselves. Nothing is simply told to the audience.

For De Niro, Murray and Thurman, what happens is sort of magical. De Niro is known for his ability to get into characters by changing himself physically, and here, somehow, he seems to have shrunk. He seems shorter, more tentative. Murray, reining in his rapid-fire comic gift, comes across as the kind of guy who would love to be gentle and nice but was born with the wrong genes. Thurman, so elegant in other pictures, here becomes almost mousy in some scenes; Glory has low self-esteem, as indeed she should if she allows herself to be made into a thank-you note.

"Mad Dog and Glory" is the kind of movie I like to see more than once. The people who made it must have come to know the characters very well, because although they seem to fit into broad outlines, they are real individuals - quirky, bothered, worried, bemused.

By the end of the film, when the friendship between Wayne and Frank has come to blows, even the fight is handled differently. For some reason it reminded me of Jimmy Breslin's observation that hoods never bury their victims deep enough because they don't like to get mud on their shoes.

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I don't think it's underrated. It's a good film, but it left me somehow with an unfolfiled feeling, as if I just had mild soup for lunch. True, Ebert gave it 3,5 out of 4 stars, but James Berardinelli gave it 2,5 out of 4 ++++. Actually, when you go on the site rotten-tomatoes.com you'll see it's avarege grade there is also about 6/10.

Looking at the script, this looks magnificent. The whole concept is great ( a single guy getting to have a girlfriend in his apartment for a whole week? Awesome! ),twisting movie clichee's, but the finished product has something missing in it.


There are few problems I have with it:
1) Uma Thurman. Completely miscast in this. She's too tall and too thin compared to De Niro. And she has no chemistry. I think someone like Kim Basinger would have been much better as Glory.

2) I think Glory is some sort of an escort girl or a prostitute. And it would have been much better if that was said straight out in the film. Here she is only presented as Wayne's "friend" (?) for a week, what ever that means.

3) The story should have been much more emotional. After the brilliant De Niro/Murray fight the whole ending was left just hanging there.

4) De Niro's red hair looked somewhat silly. If he dyed it in black or brown it would have been just fine.

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I agree that this film is greatly underrated. I just bought the DVD of this today in the 5 dollar pin at Wal-Mart. I cant this place this place just practically gives good movies away. I hope no one tells Wal-Mart that Mad Dog
and Glory, The Road Warrior, Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, Clue, Batman (1966)
, and Creepshow are great worth-while films or they might charge higher prices
ha ha.
Anyway I do think this movie does deserve a higher rating. I do disagree with
Thurman being miscast. This was her best performance aside from the Kill Bill
series

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YARRUMLIB...
You couldn't be more wrong about the casting of UMA. She's great in this role, and makes the most out of what she's given. It's also explained very clearly why she is chosen to stay with DeNIRO's character. She's trying to help her brother & his gambling debt... So no she isn't a prostitute & this is crystal clear to anyone who paid attention. As far as her height & weight, I think you are being ridiculous.

Also, the color of DeNIRO's hair seems like a petty complaint as well. It's not like they gave him a Carrot Top haircut and as I am watching the film right now, it's barely noticeable.

Next time, try finding some legit reasons to criticize a movie. All the problems you listed make you sound like a catty woman with a chip on your shoulder.

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Well said unclediss,

I caught this film on telly about 8 years ago and thought it was fan-bleedin-tastic.

Seeing De Niro play the down trodden everyman is a great treat and Murray proves he is more than just a one trick pony. As for Uma she is just about as sexy as she has ever been in this film (sorry for being base in my comment here).

The concept is great, the cast is great and the direction is great.

I have seen this three or four times since and always enjoyed it as much as the first so it must be good.

One thing about the 6/10 rating though. 6/10 may be a little low for this film but I think people too easily score films with 8's or 9's that don't fully deserve such a high mark.

'Forget it dude, lets go bowling'

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I'm delighted to find people who share my view that Mad Dog is underrated - hugely, in my opinion. De Niro's discomfort when intimacy beckons with Thurman (who is ideal for the film) is beautifully done; and whenever I see David Caruso now I'm reminded of his performance as one of the most convincing, chillingly fearless cops I've ever seen. As for Murray, considering he's on such a roll these days I think it's a terrible shame this film isn't mentioned more often. Lastly, Mike Starr captures something of the comic tough guy of old.

The combination of the comedy, the drama, the music and the peculiar mood of both personal failure and longing make this a film I can watch over and over.

The lion and the calf shall lie down together, but the calf won't get much sleep.

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I truly think this movie is underrated. I watched it for the second time last night (I also got it in the discount bin at Walmart) and it has amazing performances from the entire cast. I think the point about whether or not Glory is a call girl is moot. Not everything in life is stated bluntly and in this case the writers and director are trying to lead you where you will go. If you want to believe she was a call girl, there is more than enough evidence. If you would rather see her as an innocent, you can make a case for that too. It's not confusion, it's life and that's confusing enough. Either way,if she had come through the door and said "Hi. I'm Glory. I'm a call girl." we would still be laughing about how ridiculous it was. How do you introduce yourself? I start with my name, not what I do.

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I became a big fan of Bill Murray after having seen this movie which, to me, remains the best Bill Murray movie, even better than rushmore, lost in translation and broken flowers.

One of the most interesting part of this film is in its casting. Common sense would tell that Deniro should be a gangster who doesn't fear anything and Murray a cop who never used his gun. But the director (that I admire with his 'henry, portrait of a serial killer') did exactly the contrary. And the result is really fantastic.

I really think that this film is obviously underrated. It could have been an average movie, but it is not.

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Deniro does have red hair. It's subtle, though, so it doesn't really look like it.

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I just watched it. His hair is not red. David Caruso yes.

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Are you YARRUMLIB's parent? Do you want a Nobel Prize for telling someone what to do? If people want to sound or look stupid, it's their priveledge. Do you honestly think that YARRUMLIB will listen to you? I got to say, I admire your spirit. I wish I were that delusional.

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During the fight scene, I was thinking that not all viewers would really get what was actually going on. On its surface, it would seem really illogical as well as a cheap copout. Instead, it's the exact opposite, and as a faux climax, one of the rare successful fight resolutions in movies.

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Yes, let's do talk about the ending for a minute. I love the way it can be interpreted more than one way. I'm not going to go into details because I don't want to give it away for those any readers who haven't seen it yet, but it's very much in keeping with the quirkiness of the two protagonists and the subtle delivery of the movie as a whole. I want more movies like this, where I can decide for myself whether I think she is a deceiving call girl, or a sister who'd rather be raped than see her brother murdered (what a choice to face!) -- and where I decide whether the ending means he's this kind of gangster or that kind of comedian -- movies that leave me wondering the way real people do. So many storylines and preformances leave me feeling I've been bashed over the head. Can anyone suggest other good flicks for those of us who loved this one?

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Great movie.

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I think the problem was that the film was released on the heels of Groundhog Day and that sort've hurt it. It is too bad because I think this film is even better and Murray gives a great performance. I waited all 1992 for the film to come out and I was a little disappointed when it wasn't released until after GD. I guess I like to see films made and released in order. Guess that doesn't always happen.

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I never would have imagined Bill Murray playing the part of a mob boss until I saw the movie. Neato!

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Why exactly did you hate the ending? How did you understand it ?

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I loved this movie! Watched it last night for the first time. I'm a long-time De Niro fan and I don't know how I missed this one, but better late than never.

I thought the ending was great. . .Glory says, "Let's go home." Perfect ending!

I was a bit thrown off by Bill Murray's character. Never saw him in this kind of a role.

The movie deserves a higher rating!!!

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Cause it's really not that good.

Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, or doesn't.

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