dumb dumd DUMB
y the heck dint they get rid of the "flack jacket"`s collar ??? D`OH
yea I know that there wouldn`t be a movie then, its just that I hate seeing stupid things like that... They coulda made a smarter thing to get them jailed
Nobody cares, just enjoy the movie, its great.
HAIL TO THE KING BABY!
not that it matters, but I think the jacket blocked the baby-detection thinger they were using... just a thought, and yet again, who cares, cuz the movie was fantastic.
sharenot that it matters, but I think the jacket blocked the baby-detection thinger they were using... just a thought, and yet again, who cares, cuz the movie was fantastic.
oatleme wasn't talking about removing the whole jacket, just the collar that kept poking out. I'm sure they have knives or razorblades in the future. If not, how about using a piece of broken glass to cut the collar off?
Hollywood has brainwashed too many people over the years. Who says you have to turn off your brain when you watch a movie? With science fiction, you do have to accept some crazy things, but those things are part of that movie world. You can accept a lot of goofy stuff as long as the movie stays true to its own rules. What you should not accept is stuff that breaks their rules or stupid stuff that doesn't make sense because the writer or writers were lazy. You can have characters in movies that are as smart or smarter than the audience, but still have problems come up through no fault of their own. Sometimes bad things happen no matter how smart or how careful you are.
If more people would stop turning off their brains and demanded better from writers and directors, movies could be smart, make sense, and be exciting all at the same time.
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^Or maybe the collar was part of the jacket and if you cut it off it would not work?
This isn't a case of "turning your brain off." You are over thinking the movie. Did you ever think that these characters could have simply made a mistake? They seemed stressed out and in a hurry so they could have simply overlooked it. I'd love to be able to examine your life and pick apart everything you did wrong and tell you how much of an idiot you are for acting the way you did.
This isn't a case of "turning your brain off." You are over thinking the movie. Did you ever think that these characters could have simply made a mistake? They seemed stressed out and in a hurry so they could have simply overlooked it. I'd love to be able to examine your life and pick apart everything you did wrong and tell you how much of an idiot you are for acting the way you did.
I don't make stupid mistakes like that when it's important. I'm always sure to double check or triple check. People who make stupid mistakes like that in real life (when it really matters) deserve a quick death and a Darwin Award. The lazy writers set up the scene in the car so the dummies watching would accept it when it happened again to get them caught. Lazy, lazy, lazy. Give us something a little easier to swallow. How about making the bad guys smart enough to know that women have started using that trick, so they recently began strip searching every woman that comes through? Same amount of time spent, same outcome, but this time the audience isn't given a WTF moment. Everyone is happy.
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Just because you have never made mistakes doesn't people that people in the past have made mistakes at important times. This is like going to a concentration camp and telling those there that they were stupid for being captured. I find it hard to believe that you have never made a mistake. And you really think someone deserves death for making a mistake?
It wasn't lazy writing. If they just searched every woman their would be no suspense in the scene and it would have been boring and predictable. It wasn't a "WTF moment" when I saw it, just a mistake on the part of the characters, intended by the writer. I don't want to watch movies with perfect characters. There were certainly some problems with this movie, but this wasn't one of them.
I agree with your point about Hollywood dumbing down movies, but I don't think this is the best example of that. Fortress is not the smartest movie ever, but its certainly not the dumbest movie either. More thought when into Jeffrey Combs' character or the Men-tel corporation than the entirety of Transformers 2.
Just because you have never made mistakes doesn't people that people in the past have made mistakes at important times.
This is like going to a concentration camp and telling those there that they were stupid for being captured.
That's a huge stretch. We're talking about one situation that anyone with half a brain could have remedied with a safety pin.
I find it hard to believe that you have never made a mistake.
I don't remember posting that I've never made a mistake. I learned from small mistakes so I won't screw up when it really counts. If you don't let your ego get in the way and are willing to make checklists and are willing to double check and triple check, it's hard to screw up. If something goes wrong, at least the cause won't be a stupid mistake you made.
And you really think someone deserves death for making a mistake?
If a life and death situation comes up and you are too stupid or lazy to fix a simple problem, you deserve a Darwin Award.
It wasn't lazy writing. If they just searched every woman their would be no suspense in the scene and it would have been boring and predictable.
Use your imagination. If they didn't know the bad guys started strip searching women until they got there, the suspense would still be there.
It wasn't a "WTF moment" when I saw it, just a mistake on the part of the characters, intended by the writer.
Yeah, intended by a lazy writer. These were supposed to be people who were trained, not some nose-picking, cousin loving hillbillies. They would be smart enough to find a way to fix the problem. That's what smart people do. They fix problems before they get worse.
I don't want to watch movies with perfect characters. There were certainly some problems with this movie, but this wasn't one of them.
It's a problem for people who have common sense and at least a certain amount of brains. Characters don't have to be perfect, but there is a difference between being perfect and being smart or having some sense. Writers don't have to insert lame 'fatal flaws.' Fatal flaws in real life are usually things like a bad temper or having poor discernment when it comes to trusting people, or being too forgiving . . .
Similar to what I said in my other reply, characters can be smart, think ahead, and nip problems in the bud, but Murphy's Law and the actions of others will usually screw everything up. The most 'perfect' characters will always get kicked in the teeth and there will be plenty of suspense and excitement.
I agree with your point about Hollywood dumbing down movies, but I don't think this is the best example of that.
It's a perfect example because a lot of movies use this kind of lazy stuff and most people accept it every time. "These characters done did what I woulda done did. They make a steady stream of stupid mistakes like me insteada bein' all perfect and I like that. I ain't want no smart people in my movies! Give me stupid or give me death!"
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I made a spelling mistake so you quote me and post a smiley? I don't get that. If anything that proves my point that people mess up.
It's not a huge stretch to compare it to concentration camps considering what we saw of the government int he film. There is nothing in the movie that implies that cutting off the collar would have fixed the situation. I still don't know where you got this idea. You are asserting your own ideas into the movie as fact. I still don't think this is a stupid mistake. It is still possible the collar was necessary for the device to work. We don't know that, but we also don't know that it was unnecessary either. Why didn't you use your imagination to think about that? If you can show me proof form the movie that the collar was unnecessary I'll stand corrected. There would not be suspense in the scene if they just strip searched all women because you would know they would do that and that she would be caught. Instead it seems that they may be able to get out, if they are lucky. They just weren't lucky. By coming up with the device it shows that the characters were tried to come up with a way around that since they knew it would happen. Why wouldn't they try something like this is they knew that would occur at the border? I don't feel that the characters were stupid or lazy, but that a chance mistake happened, not one that they caused. The collar jumped up a bit as she moved and the guard noticed it before she could put it down. Why can't you accept that? It's totally believable to me. I still think it would be lazy writing to simply just have them get caught then and there. The collar showing up wasn't an intentional mistake. If it was perhaps it was out of the stress of the situation, which is possible by how the scene is set up. Lambert's character is obviously smart as he figures a way out of the fortress. The collar just jumped out for a second and the guard saw it. Stuff like that happens all the time and it can go either way. Obviously there would not be a movie if the guard didn't see it. Characters can think ahead to deal with problems, which the characters in this movie did since the wife was wearing that jacket in the first place. It just popped up while she was walking. Random bad stuff happens that you cannot control or foresee. That is like saying a cancer patient is stupid. They did all they could. The actions of the husband and wife were not why they were caught. There are far dumber movies than Fortress.