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Which is worse, the therapist or the lawyer?


There’s a lot to appreciate in this movie, but the therapist and the lawyer have got to both be among the worst-written characters for their respective occupations.

What’s with the therapist? He seems to have no idea of exerting any sort of control of any of the situations he’s involved in. There’s no evident plan in his actions beyond simply throwing hurting people together and seeing what happens. What in heavens name could have been the idea behind bringing together all the survivors? He says that it’s to tell stories, but apparently he hasn’t prepared anyone attending for this, because in the first two minutes one of the attendees gets up to leave, complaining about how long this is taking. He then inexplicably lets the point of the encounter shift to a mother’s inquiry about her dead son, and then to the flight attendant’s personal reunion with the Rosie Perez character. When this gets a (justifiably) angry response from Rosie, there’s the therapist finally intervening, only to heavy-handedly tell her that no one’s allowed to do anything to express blame. I can understand wanting to head off attacks between the participants, but he could have accomplished this in a far better way, in a way that was inclusive and supportive. My wife, mother, and father-in-law were all involved in various types of psychotherapy, and I can’t imagine someone arranging a gathering like with so little an idea of what was expected to occur, and without keeping a firm control on the proceedings. How the doctor in the movie could get and hold a significant position with an airline is completely beyond me.

And then there’s the lawyer. I’m a lawyer, although not the litigating kind, and I can’t believe that any lawyer would act like this toward clients. Actually, it is possible, I suppose, but I expect that by the time he’d reached his second client he would have learned a thing or two about personal relations. First, consider his oblique suggestion to the Bridges character that he might later “remember” certain details that would help his case. I can imagine a lawyer doing that, although the way he put it in the movie was unnecessarily (and ineffectively) crude. But then, when he gets called on it, as to whether he’s asking the Bridges character to lie, his response is along the lines of, “Well, I guess I am asking you to lie, but it’s for a good reason, so that your partner’s widow can get more money.” Wrong! Not only wrong because it’s openly suborning perjury, but wrong because it’s terrible psychology. Much better than “do a bad thing, it’s for a good cause,” would be to approach this from the moral high ground. Deny that you want him to lie, express concern with the trauma he’s gone through, and express your regret that you have to work in a system where whether the partner’s family will get compensated to the extent that the law allows (not that that would be full compensation) depends on whether he’s able to remember such details.

And there’s the lawyer’s contingency fee. When questioned about it, he says that he’s “terrible” for getting such a fee. Whether seriously or in jest, I can’t picture anyone saying that to a client, not even on his or her first case. I figure that every PI lawyer must have a set speech on the subject, about how they have to defer compensation until the settlement is reached, about how they take many cases where they receive nothing at all, and about regret that our system doesn’t make the large companies liable for attorney’s fees when someone is injured, so that contingency fees are the only way to go, especially for many of the poor clients they represent against large companies.

And finally, even in a big case where I stood to get a big payday, I think I could resist the urge to show up on my client’s doorstep (before settlement is agreed upon, no less), champagne in hand, and all giggly at the prospect of getting a somewhat fatter check than expected. I might be able to work up some righteous satisfaction at a successful conclusion, but never can I picture being giggly in front of a client who had suffered some trauma or loss.

-- TopFrog

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I did read your entire post and I thought it was thoughtful and well presented. However, it made me think of an old writing teacher of mine who used to say "Reality is no excuse."

I loved the John Turtorro (sp?) and Thomas Hulce performances as the shrink and the lawyer. And I think the characters are well written. Guess What: A lot of people are jerks in whatever profession. A lot of shrinks are screwed up. Do I believe a shrink might bring together survivors of a crash to try to gain closure? I used to work for a group of psychologists (as a ghostwriter). Not only do I think he would do something like that, I'd bet the shrink character is writing a book about helping survivors of trauma (as incompetent as he may be at helping anyone)! At the same time I'd agree that if I were an exec with the airline I'd fire that shrink asap -- that gathering of survivors opens up the airline to litigation.

As for the lawyer -- well, I'm glad that in your legal career you've only dealt with lawyers who are smart, decent, and have people skills. Notice I'm not even talking about ethics of lack of ethics. This lawyer is simply a total a**hole. He's probably an ambulance chaser who's used to penny ante cases (we never see his office or know anything about how he lives).

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I'll ask a different question: Does such a poorly written, one-dimensional character belong in an otherwise thought-provoking movie? Why put a cliche amongst all of these well-fleshed out characters. It's a sign of a writer getting lazy, or having a strange sense of comic relief.

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stop missing the point folks! The purpose of these "one-dimensional" characters is to show how trivial/useless they are, from Max's point of view, in Max's PTSD world -- notice how dismissive he is of both of them.

Hey, Captain Rant, stop writing essays comparing "real-world" attorneys to fictional characters. Its a movie -- not real life, fer crissakes. And please, since you are a lawyer, let's put the brief back in briefs. I had to interrupt reading your post to finish reading War and Peace.

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hahahaha-good one. topfrog, we get it, the majority of people who post knows that movie character professions don't acurately depict real life professions, etc. It's such a waste of time to point these things out on posts. But being an attorney, you must feel you have a lot be defensive about - don't take it so personally!

Yes, pbll, I agree, those two characters were there for Max's character and I loved his interaction with each... Esp when Max slapped the therapist and then said "I didn't hit him hard" while taking a sip of coffee. Just one of many scenes that were played so well by Bridges.

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I had to interrupt reading your post to finish reading War and Peace.


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Not everyone agrees with your assessment. I think they were well-written, and you just don't like the portrayals.

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I totally agree, I thought both characters were extremely well-written, and I didn't find Turturro's character to be narcissistic (or whatever word you want to use) at all, I think it's bizarre how people (in real life as well) expect therapists to magically "fix" them and then curse them because they don't. (I'm not a mental health professional btw.)

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I think the lawyer is definitely worse. Tom Hulce was dead solid perfect as the smarmy lawyer. The whole theory of doing a bad thing for the right reasons just stinks but in this guy's twisted thinking, the good that could come of it rationalized his actions and asking Bridges to lie.

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Turturro and Hulce were fantastic. And Turturro had a rather thankless role.

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Your post was great and accurate they were both bad characterisatios of a lawyer.



they wouldnt really act like that it was only far reach exaggeration. i dont like either character but if you have to pick the psychologist was better cause he seemed to care unlike the other idiot.


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I love John Turturro, but I am doubtful of him as therapist.

I love the scene when Jeff Bridges and the lawyer are in the car and he tells him to basically "lie" and Jeff said he will not do it.

I also loved the scene in the lawyers office with Jeff, Isabella and the wife of his friend who died on the plane and Jeff says something like "Of course no one apologizes anymore. It is the 90's."

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"Of course no one apologizes anymore. It is the 90's."
"They write memoirs."

Great line.

There was something about Turturro's character that drove me up a wall. I liked Tom Hulce and his character didn't bother me in the least.

But that group therapy scene was the most aggravating scene in the movie. I dunno, maybe I just didn't understand it, but it was just..... frustrating.

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Both were useless characters. But as an earlier poster said, I think they were supposed to be. The therapist sometimes got on my nerves because although well meaning he was clueless. While the lawyer was just a money grubber. He was a humorist character IMO. Great overlooked movie!!

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The lawyer was indeed despicable but I didn't think the therapist was clueless at all, in fact I thought his responses and "interventions" were generally spot-on (I think something people don't recognize about mental health professionals [I am not one btw] is that they actually have very limited powers and all they can really do is help unleash people's innate capacity to heal themselves (there are many incompetent and even unethical therapists but they're not *supposed* to be able to fix people unilaterally [IMO this is misconception which gets transferred over from the medical field where people go to doctors and expect to be cured.]).

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If there haven't been so many bad lawyers, how could the good ones win so many cases?

There are so many movies about bad, unsuccessful lawyers who (almost) never win anything, and they are just on the edge of bankruptcy, and then suddenly some switch turns in their brains and suddenly they are great just in the most complicated case against a big rich firm... Well, here we finally see one of them before the brain switch.

As for the therapist, it is quite easy to believe in the characher, at least for us in less developed countries far away from USA. We often can't understand and even make jokes about Americans that are unable to solve any personal problem and need to from groups for everything that might happen to them, from scratching the car to losing a cat or unsuccessfully trying to buy a dress in a sale. We appreciate great work on forming AA groups, some other are good and useful, but it is the American people (and shrinks) that have exaggerated this method of treatment and not the authors of the movie.

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I liked them both more than Manny the carpenter.

Sure, they were incompetent and stupid, but they didn't come across nearly as inhumanely as Manny did. I feel those two had good intentions, despite not knowing what constitutes for good, whereas Manny was just downright callous.

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Carla's husband does indeed because contemptible towards the end because of his greed (I didn't however think either the psychologist or the lawyer were "stupid" or "incompetent" [the lawyer wins a lot of money for example]) but part of the message was that *no one* is either simply all good or all bad (some people thought Max was self-centered for example, but that is clearly [to me] part of his PTSD).

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I thought Turturo's character was great, a really nice guy but he lacked the experience the people he was helping had. Meanwhile the lawyer, well... I love Tom Hulce but the character was very cliche.

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I think both actors performed well in fairly unsympathetic roles. Hulce's lawyer was the stereotypical smarmy shark. And IRL, I just couldn't see Turturro's psych. behaving in the way he did, let alone approaching Max in the manner depicted.

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Yeah he was a cool movie therapist...jews are masters of deception like that.


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