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The first strawberry-eating scene


Why didn't Max get sick the first time he ate the strawberries? If he still had the allergy, which was later proven, that scene doesn't make sense.

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what was apparent to me, was that, at that point, he had not done what he was meant to do with his spared life, which was comfort Rosie's character through the death of her child. Once he had done that he was not "invincable".

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It's like the placebo effect, where your body heals itself just because you think you're getting a real medicine when in fact you're eating pills made out of sugar.

He's so convinced that the strawberries can't hurt him, he actually "tricks" his body so that it doesn't have an allergic reaction. This doesn't go over so well at the end of the movie, though.

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Yes. His body just managed to ignore the fact for a moment.

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This is one of my favorite bits in this movie.

It's because there's this thing called "mind over matter" which is rather poorly understood. Look up "placebo effect" and continue to scratch your head. Allergies are also somewhat poorly understood- how they come and how they sometimes go away after a time, is not understood. We just know how to treat them.

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The placebo effect doesn't cure allergies, bullet wounds or broken bones. If his allergy wasn't real, if it was only in his head, then I could agree with this, but it appears the allergy was a real allergy.

Therefore, the explanation becomes more metaphysical. Threaded through the movie is not only the concept of life and death, but of God and our own existence. The story where Max tells Carla about the death of his father and resolving to himself that God doesn't exist conflicts with the previous scene where Max crosses the busy street and screams "you can't kill me!". Max does believe in God it seems. The strawberry allergy, to me, is a little miracle proving God does exist and, as one poster already mentioned, this miracle remained in effect until Max was able to save Carla. There's a scene where Dr. Perlman tells Laura that Max is trying to "save" Carla.

While this movie doesn't take sides with any particular religion, it seems to me that it affirms there is a God, an afterlife and that, to borrow a quote from "Tuck Everlasting": "Do not fear death, but rather the unlived life. You don't have to live forever. You just have to live."

From the quote page:
Max Klein: [talking to God] You want to kill me but you can't!

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Yes, but apart from placebo effect you must have in mind that allergies are not rarely a psychosomatic disorder, and even if the causes are not completely in the brain, psychic disturbance can modify and increase the symptoms of allergy.

So, while in the condition of feeling invulnerable or immortal, Max might control his allergy (subconsciously); his allergy returns in a stressful situation when he has no more strength to fight allergic reaction preserved.

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While I lean toward the metaphysical explanation as far as the film goes, some allergies do come and go. The two I'm personally familiar with are mt allergy to wasps and my grandfathers allergy to shrimp.

Being food, my grandfather's is more pertinent. He used to eat shrimp all the time, then one day it nearly killed him. For decades after that he had to be very careful not to have even the faintest hint of shrimp in anything he ate. He ended up in the hospital three times because of accidental contamination. Now he can eat shrimp. But the doctors have warned him that he could have a reaction anytime and should avoid it even though it seems safe now.

Ditto my wasp allergies, except getting stung instead of eating them.

So even ignoring the metaphysical angle, it still makes sense.

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I thought Max was somehow faking the reaction in final scene so his wife could save him. As one would expect, his wife reacted immediately, without stopping to check his pulse.

The way I see it, in the previous scenes where Max tempts fate by indulging in strawberries, he discovers he's no longer allergic (not unusual). Perhaps he used that to his advantage to set up a situation where his wife could 'save' him. Did anyone else see it this way?

On the other hand, I like what AMS-4 and letric said about mind-over-matter.

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Maybe your observation explains some possible flaws...

She doesn't need to check the pulse, because the allergic reaction won't jeopardize the heart action (at least in first moments) but the breathing problem is a real danger. Therefore we don't see her performing chest compressions (no need), just giving him mouth-to-mouth artificial respiration. However, unlike drowning, or electric shock, where CPR can be rather effective, allergies are potentially lethal because of swollen respiratory mucosa, and it is unlikely that performing mouth-to-mouth can provide enough oxygene. It is even less likely that the person recovers in few minutes without anti-allergic therapy, oxygenation or/and tracheotomy. Sudden recovery that happens to Max makes this allergic reaction very questionable.

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People, you have been hypnotized by the medical establishment in viewing the human as a machine incapable of functioning without an attending technician. The medical solution to the problem is a shot of adrenaline ... well, the body produces adrenaline, so that all we need is a decision by some part of the brain to start releasing adrenaline, which the brain is very much capable of doing by itself. No metaphysics, no mumbo-jumbo, its just that we chose not to investigate these things too deeply, as that might reduce revenue for patented equivalents to the real thing.

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As a lifelong allergic I immediately thought about adrenaline too; after the crash he is brimming with adrenaline - which accounts for most of his behaviour - and adrenaline is what stops an allergic reaction. The effect wanes over time, so at the end of the movie he's allergic again, which is his normal state. If I ever survive an accident I'll try eating a kiwi.
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.... and as a lifelong allergic, I would also like to point out that the reaction he has at the end of the movie is totally unreal. It takes whole minutes for your throat to close, as it takes whole minutes for the swelling to go down; you don't suddenly take a big gasp and you're ok - you slowly wheeze back to normal breathing.
Of course that doesn't give good drama, so the whole audience must assume that 1. he had no allergy injection in the house (serious allergics never go anywhere without it), and 2. his devoted wife never bothered to learn what to do in case of anaphylactic shock (hint: mouth-to-mouth breathing is useless if one's throat is swollen shut....).

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scovazze^

I just finished watching the film for the first time tonight and was bothered by the whole "now it doesn't / now it does" strawberry thing.

My husband is also severely allergic.

I think your response is the best I have read about this on this thread and the one that makes the most sense to me.





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As I said in another post, he was choking on the strawberry.
Because Laura knows he is allergic to them, when she sees him eating one, she panics.
But he has already a piece of it in his mouth. When she shouts " NOOOO ! " it startles him and that's what makes him choke.
Nothing to do with his allergy in that scene.

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If so, then the therapy is also wrong. If a piece of food or any other object appears in respiratory system and blocks it there is no use of mouth-to-mouth method, only Heimlich can save life.

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Yes. You're right there.

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All throughout the film Max felt that he was invinsible. He was not afraid of anything. Everything was going according to how he saw himself.
Up until Carla rejected their continuing relationship.

This interjected doubt into his mind. So that afterwards when he eats the strawberry, there is a little bit of doubt, he isn't 100% sure that it will not harm him...and so it does harm him.

He has lost some of his "faith"...which, if you remember, you see on the waitresses name tag toward the beginning of the film.

But this allergic reaction occured in the presence of his wife, thereby allowing her to experience this near death experience with him.
Earlier she had said that she wished she had been on the plane with him so that she would better understand his point-of-view.

Now that they have experienced this new trauma together, it is presumed that their relationship will have a brand new meaning and was also resusitated, figuratively, and in Max's case, literally.

So the strawberry is very symbolic. Max senses that it represents something special when he is in the IHOP (he is disturbed when he sees the strawberries all smashed up in a pancake...he orders a bowl of whole, plump, bright red, fresh ones). And it ultimately proves to be the catalyst to Max's show of faith, rebirth and then the rebirth of his relationship with his wife.

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Eh this movie is about faith - God. He didnt die becuase he still had the light of jesus in him. It all fits into place when you read between the lines. The light he sees on the plane, suddenly not scared walking down the plane as if he were jesus calming the people scared. The pictures he's wife saw of the tunnel when you die, the people following him to safety. Even though God isnt mentioned, the director wants you to see it for yourself. Even Max doesnt really know whats going on until the end when the light leaves him as he almost dies and hes wife bring him back. That is the right explanation not all the science talk. Dont believe me do your home work, Jeff even said the movie is about God and Faith

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The strawberry scene, especially early in the film is an example of existential reality.

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I agree with the existential and surrealist nature of the first strawberry scene (in the diner when visiting with is old flame).
Notice how perfect the bowl of strawberries looks, and how quickly the waitress delivers them. If they had such nice strawberries, don't you think they'd be on/with the "strawberry pancakes" he rejected first? Plus the attitude of the waitress changes completely, from smarmy and annoyed to a calming and warm smile, just before Max sees her name tag: "Faith".

This, in my view, is one of the greatest films ever made. And Weir one of the greatest directors.

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also remember he was confessing to his wife, and he said "I want you to save me"

so he had to be saved by someone else in order to come back to world of the living and have a normal life again.

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